Dnp

[superqt4u2nv]

Looking for anyones experiences with it. What your cycle was like? Were you happy with the results? etc...
I have been reading up on it for all most 3 months. Still debating on weather I will do it or not. Just looking for some people experiences with it.

[chicmuscle]

i have and i hate the stuff. check out this thread it has some of my opinion entwined in it. i cant get passed the sides. what is making my urine this dark on DNP?

chichy

[supergirl]

oh god.. not again

I think chichy had enough negative experience with DNP to last all the women on this board a lifetime!!


My favorite saying in the world: "if being lean were easy, EVERYONE would be... It is only a select dedicated few who can taste the sweet success of a lean, hard, healthy body!"

[superqt4u2nv]

Thanks ladies ... not looking for a quick fix here. Just trying to find the most effective way of cutting with out losing a shit load of muscle. I would like to compete next May in figure. Thing is I am fairly thick 155 16% bf. I would like to lose some of my size with out losing a lot my muscle. I am more then open to suggestions.

[chicmuscle]

ask us some questions. i couldnt give you my opinion or suggestions if you dont ask me quetions. on what ever too.

chichy

[superqt4u2nv]

Ok so I am trying to decided how I should move forward. I am roughly 6 weeks out of my first cycle. It went better then I had expected I ran 10mg of anavar for 14 weeks sides were minimal until the last two weeks. I went from 21% bf to 16%.
I am looking to lose a little size mostly fat but keep the muscle lose to a minimum. I am planning another cycle but not tell around mid February.
Carb cycling this is the diet I was looking at doing my only concern is how much cardio there is with his suggested plan. When I was on I did almost zero cardio (with the exception of pleasure stuff walks in the park or rollerblading on the lakeshore 1-2 per week) I lifted heavy 4 times a week. My plan was to keep my lifting the same, add cardio, and try carb cycling as my diet until I went back on. Thoughts and suggestions?

[chicmuscle]

can you cut and past the article here? that link wants me to register. i would but i like it here.

chichy

[chelsea]

I was just wondering why people insist on using DNP instead of fat burners or clen or something. I dont know much about it except that its not the safest thing to do so I am curious why people insist on trying it???? Chelsea

[superqt4u2nv]

----PROGRAM EXAMPLES BASED ON 207LB PERSON---NEEDS ALTERATION FOR WEIGHT---
STEP 1: (4 days)--1 hour of cardio before breakfast--(low intensity)
-cut carbs to 0.4g per pound of bodyweight while increasing protein
intake to 1.75g per lb.
207lb. person example
so at 207lb for the 4 days you need 365 g protein, and 80 g carbs...
80 carbs you should in two meals, 1 meal in the morning, let's say
oatmeal for 40 carbs and then 40 carbs (no sugars in any carbs) after
workout w/ protein shake, ->get something like Carbo Max/dextrose or
some other CLEAN (no/low sugar) carb powder ..try www.proteinfactory.com
now, your protein should be lean, chicken breasts, turkey breasts, egg
whites, fish, lean steak ->i.e. only beef eye round w/ NO FAT on it
and throw in 1 tbsp of flaxseed oil before bed (at first)
STEP 2: (2 days) --40 min of cardio before breakfast--(higher intesity
then step 1)
-Increase carbs to 1g per lb, lower protein to 1.3 g per lb
207 lb.person example
intake should be 205 carbs w/ 270 g protein
carbs should be ONLY low glycemic,->pasta, brown rice, oatmeal,
yams, sweet potatoes, beans... carb powders wont do->only after workout
break the 205 carbs into roughly 6 meals...so you need about 30-35
low glycemic carbs per meal
STEP 3: (1 day ONLY!) -- 45 min cardio before breakfast--(same intesity
as step 2)
-INCREASE carbs to 3.5 g per lb and lower protein to 1 g per lb
207lb. person example
700 carbs and 200 g protein (700 carbs into 6 meals, is roughly
you take in 115 carbs per meal)
you should have mostly high glycemic carbs FIRST 4 meals...
i.e. some fruit (not a lot of fruit), sugar free yogurt, cream of rice,
cream of wheat, sugar free applesause....now for the last 2 meals
you eat low glycemic carbs like, oatmeal, brown-rice, yams, beans, sweet-potato , pasta.
THEN START THE CYCLE OVER

[superqt4u2nv]

Chelsea my reason is that you have the least amount of muscle lose with DNP. True it is very dangerous if not used correctly. It really only something I have considered and if I can lose the extra junk in my trunk with out to much muscle lose I would still be happy.

[supergirl]

Originally posted by superqt4u2nv
Chelsea my reason is that you have the least amount of muscle lose with DNP. True it is very dangerous if not used correctly. It really only something I have considered and if I can lose the extra junk in my trunk with out to much muscle lose I would still be happy.

well... if you are considering dnp for strictly muscle sparing/fat loss capibilities, clen is a better solution!!
clenbuterol is an anticatabolic which helps prevent muscle loss while on a calorie restricted diet.. which is another reason you will see clen/T3 stacks so often is that the clen will actually help preserve the muscle...
They say DNP is "muscle sparing", but in actuality, DNP is anti-proteolytic which means it uses carbohydrates or fats exclusively to supply energy for the mitochondria and does not facilitate muscle breakdown due to the protein sparing, BUT most of the competitors i know that have used DNP have also lost muscle... mainly because their diet was not correct while cycling dnp..
DNP use is like a science.. keto has been proven to aid in fat loss and muscle sparing, but god it is so hard to be calorie accurate and carb accuratel... there will always be some sort of muscle loss regardless...
Clen still seems to be the best in muscle maintence.. well not the best.. nothing beats an AAS!! Var keeps my muscle on me while i strictly diet.. i lose tons of fat and very very little muscle!! so it really is relative...
Hope this helps explain it a bit better...
super

[superqt4u2nv]

Thanks Supergirl I have takin clen and found it great for fat lose I didn't have as much muscle mass when I did my clen cycle so I was never sure about muscle lose. T3 is something I am trying to avoid unless absolutly need to get that last little bit. T3 scares me more then DNP for some reason. I found an alternate carb cycling program that I am going to try. Thanks ladies for your help I am sure I will be back for more.

[Frosty]

Originally posted by supergirl
well... if you are considering dnp for strictly muscle sparing/fat loss capibilities, clen is a better solution!!
clenbuterol is an anticatabolic which helps prevent muscle loss while on a calorie restricted diet.. which is another reason you will see clen/T3 stacks so often is that the clen will actually help preserve the muscle...
They say DNP is "muscle sparing", but in actuality, DNP is anti-proteolytic which means it uses carbohydrates or fats exclusively to supply energy for the mitochondria and does not facilitate muscle breakdown due to the protein sparing, BUT most of the competitors i know that have used DNP have also lost muscle... mainly because their diet was not correct while cycling dnp..
DNP use is like a science.. keto has been proven to aid in fat loss and muscle sparing, but god it is so hard to be calorie accurate and carb accuratel... there will always be some sort of muscle loss regardless...
Clen still seems to be the best in muscle maintence.. well not the best.. nothing beats an AAS!! Var keeps my muscle on me while i strictly diet.. i lose tons of fat and very very little muscle!! so it really is relative...
Hope this helps explain it a bit better...
super

Isn't clen a glucocorticoid? I remember hearing that clen may have some anti-catabolic properties, but due to its nature it's catabolic.

Also, I think many people mistakenly say they lose muscle while on DNP because they measure things incorrectly. If you do a BF test before you do DNP and you ate carbs, and then did a BF test a couple days after DNP, you will get the false result of "muscle loss" when in reality all that happened was glycogen-CP stores were completely depleted (so the water that goes with them was, too) and you get an increase in subqutaneous water. The bodyfat test must be done 5-7 days after you finish DNP, depending on the dose, and that is, of course, after a proper carbup.

Not that I recommend DNP for females, anyway.

[supergirl]

Frosty.. keywords in your post... "Carb-up" and manipulation... A person must be so damn accurate with their pre and post carb manipulation in order to maintain water while stripping your body of fat... Even though after, all the while being accurate and losing fat and trying to maintain muscle, there will always be muscle loss.. Perhaps not as drastic as someone who does not know how to use their carbs the right way, but it definitely is a "science" and there is a right and wrong way and too many people do the WRONG way or the easy way...
As per clen... clenbuterol.com

"Clenbuterol can cause a solid, highly qualitative muscle growth which goes hand in hand with a significant strength gain. Clenbuterol, above all, has a strong anti-catabolic effect, which means it decreases the rate at which protein is reduced in the muscle cell, consequently causing an enlargement of muscle cells. For this reason, numerous athletes use Clenbuterol after steroid treatment to balance the resulting catabolic phase and thus obtain maximum strength and muscle mass..

thanks for your contribution Frosty...
Super

[Frosty]

Supergirl, I have to ask if those conclusions on clen were based on human studies. I think they did some studies on cows or something and found it to be anabolic, but I don't think that's the case in humans.

[rubberduckyo]

Originally posted by supergirl
thanks for your contribution Frosty...
Super

That's really all ya had to say.

[supergirl]

Originally posted by rubberduckyo
That's really all ya had to say.

thanks for your input

Frosty... that was humans.. there is also info on that site for livestock

[Frosty]

Originally posted by supergirl
thanks for your input

Frosty... that was humans.. there is also info on that site for livestock

Do you have any references for the human studies?

[supergirl]

Originally posted by Frosty
Do you have any references for the human studies?

i posted the site where that information was obtained; clenbuterol.com... the study and comments were based on athletes.. last time i checked, cows were not athletes, but then again i am from NYC, not Pennsylvania so i don't see alot of cows lol.. j/k Frosty

but really the main point was the fact that clen is anti-catabolic and will aid in maintaining muscle while losing fat; ie T3 stacks etc... plus far safer and more effective at maintaining muscle than dnp, but i am sure that can be argued... However when it comes to women, clen will do the trick as I firmly agree that DNP is not recommended for women at all...

[Frosty]

Originally posted by supergirl
i posted the site where that information was obtained; clenbuterol.com... the study and comments were based on athletes.. last time i checked, cows were not athletes, but then again i am from NYC, not Pennsylvania so i don't see alot of cows lol.. j/k Frosty

but really the main point was the fact that clen is anti-catabolic and will aid in maintaining muscle while losing fat; ie T3 stacks etc... plus far safer and more effective at maintaining muscle than dnp, but i am sure that can be argued... However when it comes to women, clen will do the trick as I firmly agree that DNP is not recommended for women at all...

I definitely agree clen is the way to go vs. DNP for women.

I did check out that website, but it wasn't referenced and the info didn't seem very good. It said to run clen 8-10 weeks with no mention of cycling to reduce downregulation, it recommended 100-140 mcg/day for guys, and it said it helps reduce fat by increasing heat since the body reduces fat when it's hot. Now that last thing I may be wrong on, but I'd like to see some info on it, cause otherwise sweat suits would be the number one fat loss tool Also it specifically says that it causes muscle growth in athletes: "Clenbuterol can cause a solid, highly qualitative muscle growth which goes hand in hand with a significant strength gain." And that's not under the livestock section. I'm sure there would be some studies on this if it did indeed cause "qualitative" muscle growth in humans.

[supergirl]

so write the author and ask for studies demand proof of his statements... i don't see either how clen has anabolic building properties, but i do know of its ability to preserve muscle; this i have seen first hand, plus numerous studies have proven that... but i agree with you that the anabolic bit is off... maybe the author needs to revisit the study he used etc...
But point in hand, clen + T3 or a low carb diet will aid in the preservation of muscle and strength... and much much safer than dnp which is what got us on this tangent in the first place...