Any women every done a winny/deca cycle?

[Musculo Fuerte]

Just was curious as to what your experience(s) were like as I am considering it as a future cycle. Also, has any woman on this board done injectable winny as oppose to the orals? Your input is greatly appreciated.

[Miss Muscle]

Never done either but known women that have. Every single lady I know that has done this particular cycle has had noticeable side effects.....even at low doses on short cycles.

I recommend injectable form.....but I would recommend injectable over oral for most steroids.

I can give you more details after......I have to get to school though.

[outlawtas]

I'd shy away from deca. Maybe var or winny at small doses...

[Musculo Fuerte]

Thanks you two, that helps me out ;-) Also, I'll take you up on that Miss M. Would love to hear your input when you have time. If var wasn't an option, would EQ be better than deca in your opinion?

[Musculo Fuerte]

Also, I'm planning on doing injectable for both, even though I hear that winny injections hurt like a MF!

[Miss Muscle]

Originally Posted by Musculo Fuerte

Also, I'm planning on doing injectable for both, even though I hear that winny injections hurt like a MF!

I encourage you to stay natural for at least a couple more years because you are so young and inexperienced. I feel you have many more gains to make naturally.

But this is your choice and I know you are well aware of my reasoning for this.

Injectable....good.....safer and better on the body/liver.

I think Deca is NOT the best choice. I consider it moderately androgenic and would opt for something mildly androgenic. But it isn't the worst choice either. If you take it stay with under 80mg per week. Even less is preferable in my opinion. I also don't know alot of women that do use it so I haven't heard much feedback. I would opt to stay awake without alot of research on it. I know the side effects of too much suck like a low libido...masculization, etc. But that comes with alot of steroids of course.

As for Winny.......I do encourage anavar for a first cycle in low doses as I believe it is the safest compound for a lady......but if you do have to go with Winny than I am wondering why you feel the need to involve another compound. I would start out with one only.

EQ......not bad. I believe it works slower than other steroids.....you won't see results right away but you will see a slower gain that will last longer. Lower water retention....increased appetite.....maculinity symptoms if too much is taken. I know a few women that use this and love it. I haven't heard of anyone experiencing anything horrible but please watch the doses.....start at 50 mg per week and increase slowly....maybe even lower. And mixed with Winstrol gives great results. I've seen women get really hard before a comp on these 2......but you are new. I still say stick with one or none at this point in time.

As for the injections hurting....I've seen alot of guys on boards say that but I've never heard anyone complain about it in life. Just be careful.

[Musculo Fuerte]

Thanks for the advice Miss M. Definitely was helpful. Of course when I do this, I plan on taking extra caution to see how my body responds. For some reason I have a feeling that my body will respond well to this type of cycle (Eq and Winny or Deca and Winny), but we shall see. I will keep the board posted when the time comes. The reason I feel that I am close to ready is because I have been lifting for a total of 3 yrs and 2 being very consistent, so I have been able to understand what works for my body and what doesn't. I understand that many of the board members may have their opinions about this in positive and negative ways, but the input is still greatly appreciated. Yes, I am young, but it is a risk that I am willing to take. I'm planning on running some blood tests (even though I've had about two in the past couple of months) as well as keep my milk thistle and other 'insurance' supplements up to par when I do this. I am also in the process of learning how to inject myself, because I do not want to have to rely on someone else to do it- too risky! Speaking of such, to those who typically inject in the ass: Do you have any suggestions on what is the easiest way to do this solo? I mean, it seems like it would be difficult to use both hands to see if there is any blood before it is safe to inject.

Thanks again Miss. M. for your thoughtful post :-) Believe me, all of the typing you did is worth it as I am reconsidering the Deca.

[Miss Muscle]

Originally Posted by Musculo Fuerte

Thanks for the advice Miss M. Definitely was helpful. Of course when I do this, I plan on taking extra caution to see how my body responds. For some reason I have a feeling that my body will respond well to this type of cycle (Eq and Winny or Deca and Winny), but we shall see. I will keep the board posted when the time comes. The reason I feel that I am close to ready is because I have been lifting for a total of 3 yrs and 2 being very consistent, so I have been able to understand what works for my body and what doesn't. I understand that many of the board members may have their opinions about this in positive and negative ways, but the input is still greatly appreciated. Yes, I am young, but it is a risk that I am willing to take. I'm planning on running some blood tests (even though I've had about two in the past couple of months) as well as keep my milk thistle and other 'insurance' supplements up to par when I do this. I am also in the process of learning how to inject myself, because I do not want to have to rely on someone else to do it- too risky! Speaking of such, to those who typically inject in the ass: Do you have any suggestions on what is the easiest way to do this solo? I mean, it seems like it would be difficult to use both hands to see if there is any blood before it is safe to inject.

Thanks again Miss. M. for your thoughtful post :-) Believe me, all of the typing you did is worth it as I am reconsidering the Deca.

My one big concern. But this is your choice....not mine. And I am impressed you are taking certain precautions and doing your research. Best of luck!

Srsly.....look into anavar if possible.

[DirkMoneyshot]

I didn't read any of the threads but I did see the title and thats all i needed.

PLEASE DO NOT DO DECA!

That is one compound i will never recommend to a women.

If you do anything find some legitimate anavar.

[Musculo Fuerte]

Gotcha. So is it mainly the side effects of deca that are the concern? I'm assuming that virilization is the main concern, which obviously I don't want. But anyway, I will look into that one. I appreciate your thoughtful advice.

[Musculo Fuerte]

K, so I've asked around a little more, thought about what you've said, and pondered, and I'm going to steer clear from the deca. My good friend said that she had people asking her "Do you have a cold?" quite often when she used it. You do have a point to just stick to one component Miss M. I am debating between winny or EQ. I'm leaning more towards the EQ as this will be more of a lean bulking stage when I do it. Plus, the gains are more likely to be kept. And I will definitely be dosing low and monitoring how my body responds to it. Supergirl was right. A big mistake-letting a guy plan out your cycle. Geez, glad I have this forum as a resource for some good insight!

[DirkMoneyshot]

I would stay away from EQ if this is your first cycle. Again find some anavar.

Women for the most part unless you don't really care (and you should) need to stick with short esters until you understand how they effect your body.

lets say you start injecting some EQ into your system and you have some serious negative side effects. Guess what- Its going to continue circulating for awhile and those side effects are going to stay.

With short esters at least they clear fast.

[Musculo Fuerte]

Good point. Can I expect to see any gains on var though? I mean, it's more of a strength booster. What about winny, like I was discussing before? That has a shorter ester than EQ yes?

[H2O]

I'm probably a bit late in here, but as far as Deca, I tried it, I hated it. It gave me so much water retention it was ridiculous. At one point I had difficulty bending my leg up to get in to the shower. It also gave me this real bulky look, which I hated.

I see you were asking about injectable Winstrol. I used it and loved it, however my joints hated it.

[Musculo Fuerte]

Thanks for the input H20. Did you make some decent gains on the Winny, even though it's more of a cutting steroid? I'm now considering doing just the injectable winny and A LOT of joint support and fish oils ;-) Not to mention a crapload of milk thistle. I was also considering the anavar instead, but my guy has a very hard time getting it, and when he does, it's gonna be very expensive. But, we'll see. I'm still looking very hard into my options here.

[evangeline]

Originally Posted by Musculo Fuerte

Just was curious as to what your experience(s) were like as I am considering it as a future cycle. Also, has any woman on this board done injectable winny as oppose to the orals? Your input is greatly appreciated.

i've done oral and inj winny. i prefer injectable. being water based, it's still out of your system relatively fast and is more effective dose wise in my experience. i won't use deca.. and even wouldn't recommend it for men.. to many sides when there are other choices out there. i have made gains with winny.. altho not like i would on stronger massing steroids. i have also used anavar, and often take winny (inj) & anavar (oral) together, to keep my dose of winny down. winny is more androgenic than the anavar., and i notice the androgenic effects when my dose is too high. my femininity is very important to me.. so i try to make smart choices.

[Musculo Fuerte]

Thank you for sharing your experience. Assuming I do injectable winny, would it be good to start off with about 25 mg/week and then eventually work my way up to 50 mg/week (which is what its steroid profile recommends? This is assuming that my body is reacting just fine with the starting dose. Also, my guy thinks that I should do proviron as a PCT, which I am not too sure about for a couple of reasons: 1)The winny profile says that aromitization is not a concern with this compound, thus there is no need for an estrogen-blocker, and 2)Proviron shuts down all estrogen production as oppose to the estrogen receptors, which would increase androgenic sides, yes? What are your thoughts on this?

[Miss Muscle]

Originally Posted by Musculo Fuerte

Thank you for sharing your experience. Assuming I do injectable winny, would it be good to start off with about 25 mg/week and then eventually work my way up to 50 mg/week (which is what its steroid profile recommends? This is assuming that my body is reacting just fine with the starting dose. Also, my guy thinks that I should do proviron as a PCT, which I am not too sure about for a couple of reasons: 1)The winny profile says that aromitization is not a concern with this compound, thus there is no need for an estrogen-blocker, and 2)Proviron shuts down all estrogen production as oppose to the estrogen receptors, which would increase androgenic sides, yes? What are your thoughts on this?

25mg per week with Winny seems OK. I might even suggest less but alot of women I know use this dosage. With side effects though. You already are aware of this though.

I would not use proviron as a PCT. Not sure if you were aware but Proviron can suppress natural testosterone function in men and women. If you use it use it during or before a cycle.

[evangeline]

Originally Posted by Musculo Fuerte

What are your thoughts on this?

hi.. i sent u a message through PM

[Musculo Fuerte]

Thank you much