woman's first cycle - winny vs. var

[kmf1000]

I'm a 34 year old female and have been working out with weights, doing cardio and dieting for 5 years. my husband is a champion powerlifter who has been lifting and dieting to make weight for 20 years so I feel very confident that, even as a woman, he is guiding me appropriately. since my daughter was born, even though I lift and do cardio for (sometimes) 3 hours per day, i can't make my body react. i stay away from starchy carbs, sugar and keep the protein high. i'm considering a cycle of winstrol or anavar. it seems that everyone highly recommends anavar if cost is not a factor. i am not going to compete, i'm a mom first, i just want my body to respond the way it used to as i continue to work hard. want to do a very very low dose of either. which do you recommend and what low low dosage will have the least side effects? thanks...

[StoneColdNTO]

Welcome to the board !!!

I'll make a copy of this and place it in the Women's Forum as well as leaving the original here. Just be a little wary of some of the info some (not all) males will give you. I'd much rather see any info coming from experienced female members.

[Miss Muscle]

Welcome to Ology!!!!

If you have to choose between Winnie and Var than I say Var without a doubt. Probably about 5-10 mg each day for an 8-12 week cycle. Start low and see how your body reacts.

There are way too many risks and sides with Winstrol for a woman......even for a man!

But I'm wondering if you've exhausted all your other options. I suggest you post up your daily diet, training....both cardio and lifting. I bet with some minor tweaking we can help your body to respond without the use of AAS.

Remember....... AAS should always be a last resort when everything else has stopped working.

[kmf1000]

Miss Muscle, thank you for the direct answer. You've told me exactly what I needed to hear and I'm much less anxious hearing that you have such conviction in one vs. the other. For diet, I'm under 1500 calories per day during the week: hard boiled egg whites for breakfast, a shake or bar for lunch (or a salad) and then dinner which is always either 99% FF turkey burger or chicken or I have a couple cans of tuna on a salad. always have fresh cooked vegetables with dinner (corn, cauliflower, green beans). snacks are always either fresh fruit or raw vegies. Friday night we blow it out - - pizza, chinese or whatever and then on sat or sunday I may have one meal with a bit of starchy carbs like rice or pasta (but very little). For excersize, I lift every day for about 45 minutes (cables and dumbbells) and then do cardio (run 5-6 miles or do elliptical for an hour, depending upon if my knees hurt) and then 3 days a week I also do a power class for an hour with dumbbells (lunges, curls, etc, on the step with weights).
Sometimes, I'll lift for 45 minutes, do an hour on the elliptical and then do a class - - that's 3 hours and I'm not even trying to be in competitive shape, I just want to look lean, athletic and healthy...... Once again, Miss Muscle, thank you for your help and responses.....

[Miss Muscle]

Miss Muscle, thank you for the direct answer. You've told me exactly what I needed to hear and I'm much less anxious hearing that you have such conviction in one vs. the other. For diet, I'm under 1500 calories per day during the week: I should have asked your weight, bodyfat, height, etc. 1500 doesn't seem like enough. After I know your weight I can give you a better range of calories to consume . You'll probably need at least 1800 to rev up your metabolism.

hard boiled egg whites for breakfast, a shake or bar for lunch (or a salad) and then dinner which is always either 99% FF turkey burger or chicken or I have a couple cans of tuna on a salad. I see only 3 meals in there....I know you have snacks but you should have at least 5 meals per day with a protein source at each meal.

always have fresh cooked vegetables with dinner (corn, cauliflower, green beans). Good....definately keep that up!

snacks are always either fresh fruit or raw vegies. Friday night we blow it out - - pizza, chinese or whatever Excellent....kick start your metabolism and thyroid.

and then on sat or sunday I may have one meal with a bit of starchy carbs like rice or pasta (but very little). Only one? Do the other meals consist of just veggies? What do the other meals have? And I see no fats in your diet....get in some. Nuts, nut butters, salmon, oils, avocado, etc.

For excersize, I lift every day for about 45 minutes (cables and dumbbells) Be sure to get a good variety of exercises and definately have some squats, deadlifts, bench presses, etc.....I'm sure your husband can assist you on this though.

and then do cardio (run 5-6 miles or do elliptical for an hour, depending upon if my knees hurt) and then 3 days a week I also do a power class for an hour with dumbbells (lunges, curls, etc, on the step with weights). You might be overdoing it on the cardio. Is it steady state? HIIT? For your goals I suggest cardio 4-5 days per week including 2-3 sessions of HIIT. Include the power classes as cardio.

Sometimes, I'll lift for 45 minutes, do an hour on the elliptical and then do a class - - that's 3 hours and I'm not even trying to be in competitive shape, I just want to look lean, athletic and healthyI would take out the hour on the elliptical for your purposes....but doing this once in awhile isn't going to kill you. ...... Once again, Miss Muscle, thank you for your help and responses....

[evangeline]

Originally Posted by Miss Muscle

Welcome to Ology!!!!

If you have to choose between Winnie and Var than I say Var without a doubt. Probably about 5-10 mg each day for an 8-12 week cycle. Start low and see how your body reacts.

Yes, I would agree. More is not necessarily better, especially for a first cycle. Best to start out with one steroid, a low dose and titrate up slowly. This way you can gauge your response or side effects without wondering which drug is causing which reaction.

Originally Posted by Miss Muscle

There are way too many risks and sides with Winstrol for a woman......even for a man!

I would tend to agree that winstrol has more side effects than anavar, but most side effects are dose related. I find winstrol more virilizing than anavar, and I actually take both.. using anavar to keep my dosage of winstrol down. But the first one i tried was anavar. And I was very pleased with my response to the drug on it's own.

Originally Posted by Miss Muscle

But I'm wondering if you've exhausted all your other options. I suggest you post up your daily diet, training....both cardio and lifting. I bet with some minor tweaking we can help your body to respond without the use of AAS.

Remember....... AAS should always be a last resort when everything else has stopped working.

Excellent advice as usual coming from Miss Muscle..

[evangeline]

Originally Posted by kmf1000

i stay away from starchy carbs, sugar and keep the protein high.

starchy carbs are not your enemy.. i eat a good portion of starchy carbs with every meal.. such as oatmeal, unprocessed brown/wild rice, no yolk pasta, rice pasta, potatoes, & yams or sweet potatoes to name a few. your muscles need a good source of energy as does your brain, otherwise you will have difficulties such as those you've listed and you may also find yourself easily discouraged/depressed. your brain is also fueled by carbs and this can greatly affect your moods and general feeling of well-being.

i've seen countless women prepping for a show on salads and tuna---only to find themselves discouraged and depressed and exhausted.. and this was very apparent by just looking at them (i found this out by asking them). when they changed their diet, they almost instantly look incredibly invigorated and in much higher spirits.. it makes all the difference. if you want performance, you need to feed the machine properly.

when looking to get lean and very fit, you're best to just slightly reduce your carbs.. nothing drastic. eat every three hours (there's always a way, even if it's a meal replacement shake while at work). and use dietary & training shocks to prevent plateau'ing.. (like cheat days & HIT training days, and various advanced training techniques). the body is very adaptive and always looking for the path of least resistance. you have to keep it guessing so to speak, yet let is know that there is no famine (the response to restrictive "dieting").

make sure drinking atleast 4L of water a day too.. important in the delivery of nutrients to the body and the excretion of waste.