How would you cycle Deca while "staying on" Test?

[AudioMaker]

Hi All,

I'm new to the forum and this is my first post here....thanks for having me!

I've signed on to a couple other forums, and googled my brains out for month, but I'm still feeling like i have some unanswered questions. If you can help me, I'd sure appreciate it, and please forgive me for not searching the forums for the answers because my brain is just fried on trying to find the answers that pertain to me.

First, my stat's...

I'm 45 years old.
I'm 5' 10" tall
I weigh about 240lbs right now with a stocky build (thick rib cage, bones, shorter legs...etc)
I have a "4 pack" at 200lbs, I look "average" at 220lbs, and I'm an old fat blob at 240lbs.
My body normally gains muscle fast when I lift heavy, although it's been a few years since I hit the gym hard. I have a good amount of muscle and am very strong, but look "soft" at best right now.
I am prone to weight gain (fat) unless I'm actually on a diet to control this.
I have no history of erectile disfunction, or baldness.
I tried a self prescribed low-dose GH therapy for 5 months until i ran out of money last year, otherwise I am new to hormone adjustments.

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Ok, now where I'm at...

Some friends of mine locally are mild bodybuilders, and I've received:

8X 250mg/ml of test'-E
8X 200mg/ml of deca

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My goal is to transform my body from this soft 45 year old, to a leaner but not overly sized harder body. With my build, it doesn't take much muscle gain to look "big".
I also want to feel younger, and have the benefits of TRT at the same time.

I have started a 250mg/week of test-E (125mg Mon/Thurs), and I have been on this for 5 weeks while doing a "at home" warmup getting ready for the gym (sucks when you have to work out just to get into the shape to work out in public).

Since week two of 250mg of test-E, my libido is ridiculous, and while I can see it would be fun and make one feel younger, my girlfriend is suffering libido problems from a hormone laced IUD, so needing to "relieve myself" 3 times a day when my girlfriend is on a schedule closer to 3X a month is...well... you get it.

As you can calculate, at the current dose of test', I have about 5 more weeks to get through the first bottle.

I figure 5 more weeks of home workout and I'll be ready for the gym, so the timing works out to start the deca at that point (one bottle of test down).

At that point, I plan to add the deca to the test at 200mg/week (1ml) to make it simple. That will end up at 1ml of test-E per week, and 1ml of deca per week, or put another way.... 1 pin of a 50/50 mix twice a week that results in a 250mg test/200mg deca stack.

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Now here's my questions...

First, I think I'm likely to stay on the TRT part of this routine indefinitely.

What I'm not understanding is if I could (or should) stay on the deca indefinitely, or cycle it. I don't know what risks I'd be looking at or benefits.
On the other hand, if I were to stay on the test', but cycle the deca, I don't know how to cycle it and what sort of PCT I'd be looking at while staying on test'?

I'm trying to keep this simple. Build up, get lean, and stay that way. I want to look like I go to the gym a lot, but not like I'm obsessed.
I'd prefer to keep the amount of sup's and hormone combinations to a minimum so I can stick with it (I'm not one of these guys that can take 10 different things at 3 different times....etc.)

I'm also wondering if the deca will bring my libido back into a realistic range, and what will happen if I cycle it? I mean... can I expect every time I come off that I'm *too* horny again?

What about adding something like Erase Pro to the mix, or... to the test only, when I'm off deca?

I am concerned about this libido meaning I have too much estrogen, and I think that my body type and history might make me a gyno candidate even though I've never had it (I do have a bit of moobs, but I'm overweight at the moment).

So should I just stay on both...or all 3?

By the way, I can hit the gym and lift heavy about 2X a week, and do home gym (light weights, total gym, pushups, P90X, treadmill..etc.) about another 2X per week.

Any advice would really be appreciated.

[ws2006]

A couple thoughts....if you are going to stay on trt as you mentioned then you will not need PCT as that is only to restart your natty production. As for running deca any higher than what you would typically use for a trt dose, around 100 mg, it would be more beneficial to wait until you drop the bf some.

You did not mention anything about an AI for the possible estrogen issues as you said you are prone to gyno. I would advise getting blood work done prior to starting it all so you have a point of reference and stay at normal trt doses as it does not sound like the goal is body building. With good cardio and diet this should help with your goal of dropping weight and preserving lean muscle.

Just my two cents - I am sure others will have much more sage advice though.

[AudioMaker]

A couple thoughts....if you are going to stay on trt as you mentioned then you will not need PCT as that is only to restart your natty production. As for running deca any higher than what you would typically use for a trt dose, around 100 mg, it would be more beneficial to wait until you drop the bf some.

You did not mention anything about an AI for the possible estrogen issues as you said you are prone to gyno. I would advise getting blood work done prior to starting it all so you have a point of reference and stay at normal trt doses as it does not sound like the goal is body building. With good cardio and diet this should help with your goal of dropping weight and preserving lean muscle.

Just my two cents - I am sure others will have much more sage advice though.

Thanks for the input

I guess what I'm doing is what you might call a high TRT with "light" bodybuilding, or put another way... the "high end" of TRT and the "low end" of bodybuilding.

Because of my build, cardio isn't very fun. I've never been much of a runner. People who are stocky will understand. Weight loss for me always comes with muscle gain and the increased metabolism provided by that muscle mass. I could treadmill for weeks and not really lose much just because running, or aerobics never really becomes a graceful endeavor for me. I'm more of the badger, or turtle of humans.

I wouldn't claim that I'm prone to gyno. I do hold fat weight in my chest and underarms (as well as belly, flanks, and rear). I don't want to give you the impression that I need TRT because I have feminine characteristics, but being that I have a full head of hair at 45, and no ED ever, I'm just guessing that my estrogen levels lean higher.

Also, I claim to be "fat"...and I consider myself so, but not noticeably so if you saw me on the street.

I have XXL to XXXL coat size (52-54") and wear a 36 waist (31 inseam). So basically I'm top heavy. My chest still out-protrudes my stomach, but I do have mild "muffin top" when I'm out of shape.

My bf (body fat, not "boyfriend"...lol) is already dropping from just the test' and the working out. Hopefully 5 more weeks of the test-only prior to deca will lean me out quite a bit more.

I hope you guys will forgive me for posting this in the TRT forum. As I said, I'm looking for a program that is fringe bodybuilding. It is the fact that I'm planning on staying on the test that led me here instead of the anabolics forum, although I will probably ask there as well.

All the Best

[THE-DET-OAK]

I don't mess with nandrolone anymore. Yea it will make your joints feel good, and you can get big pretty fast. It is super suppressive though, 5 HTP and GABA would be a must with it in order to avoid the anxiety.

It gives me acne and makes me swell up like the michelin man.

It makes your joints feel good but only while your on, as soon as you come off its back to square 1.

I personally opt for GH optimization these days. Its not a sex hormone and is not suppressive to the HPTA. It will also improve cholesterol which is something T can mess up. T makes the cells bigger and GH makes more cells. So without sexual side effects, and it induces hyperplasia?


It is a much better route if that is an option.