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    Could hypothyroid and low vitamin D cause hypogonadism?
    I have low thyroid function I need to test my RT3 leves and my cortisol leves. Also I'm very low in vitamin D I'm at 9 in a range that starts with 30 until 70. My question is can I increase my testosterone treating my thyroid and low vitamin D? Will I get back my sex drive and morning wood because I don't have both of them. I'm just 20 years old.

    Symptons: Started to gain weight and it's hard to lose it, no morning wood, no sex drive, always tired, poor concentration, terrible sleep.

    Testosterona : 493
    Lh: 2.8
    Fsh: 3.1
    TSH: 3.2 (ja tive em 4.8, 3.5, 3.6)
    T4livre: 1.2 (0.9 a 1.7)
    T3 livre: 0.36 (0.27 a 0.37)

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    Yes, in a short answer, by correcting your hypothyroid symptoms, you can raise your testosterone levels. Your Test is definitely low for a 20 year old and so is your LH. Test your RT3 and then calculate your RT3 ratio. It is the ratio between your RT3 and your Free or Total T3 reading. Make sure you look up that ratio because your RT3 can be in range yet, your ratio is fucked and you are holding too much RT3. The only way to get rid of RT3 is to get on Cytomel only (T3). Stay away from T4.

    And yes your Vit D is really low. You definitely need to bring that reading up and you will feel a lot better by doing so and have more energy. I would take at least 5000ius per day of Vit-D and then retest it in 3 months.
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    Also it will help in my libido and morning wood? Once I tried to use serms and my testosterone came to 1000 and my e2 to 38 so I think I don't have much problem with aromatization. Also my sperm will become more consistent? Because I think it's too watery. You gave me hope to feel alive again because I don't want to be in Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) as I'm young. Also I had a test that my TSH went in 4.9 and the range stopped at 4.2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brazilianguy View Post
    Also it will help in my libido and morning wood? Once I tried to use serms and my testosterone came to 1000 and my e2 to 38 so I think I don't have much problem with aromatization. Also my sperm will become more consistent? Because I think it's too watery. You gave me hope to feel alive again because I don't want to be in Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) as I'm young. Also I had a test that my TSH went in 4.9 and the range stopped at 4.2
    The way I look at it, there is plenty of options for you. I always believe that you should exhaust all options to determine what is going on. Will it be challenging?? Yes. But everything you learn along the way will make you better off down the long road. You have to realize that most people just do what docs tell them. My doc and I have a love/hate relationship. Sometimes she will tell me something and then I will come back in for the next appointment and defend my argument and bring documents to support my decision. She is a lot more open now. As for your TSH, yes a 4.9 is high and indicating hypothyroidism from that reading. Ideally, I like to see a TSH at 1.5-2.0. Not higher than 2.0. The TSH range used to be 3.5 but over the years, more and more people were coming in with high readings that they brought up the average which kind of irritates me. Well, keep in mind that the majority of America is fat as shit and unhealthy too. Correcting a thyroid can bring up all other hormones and yes you can get an increase in libido and morning wood. I am also not opposed to taking Cialis either. Even at your age. Do I need Cialis?? No. But my theory is, you can start a fire by rubbing 2 sticks together, but why do that when the fucking match was invented??? So that is why I take Cialis.

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    I would like to not take Cialis or viagra or anything else. What was your problem? Thyroid and low t too? What did you do to solve it? I'm really thinking that maybe Hypothyroid made my T to decrease because I remember when I started to get symptons like tired, increase weight, losing libido, losing morning wood, my sperm started to become watery etc and then I went to a doctor and my TSH was 3 and then 4 and they were urologists and said your normal. Do you have a link that I can see a person that had low thyroid and low t and fixing the thyroid the T increased and the symptons has gone? The only two things that I don't want is to take testosterone, HCG injections and using viagra Cialis etc. I don't know do you take cialis or not? If you take don't you think that your testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) is not so good?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brazilianguy View Post
    I would like to not take Cialis or viagra or anything else. What was your problem? Thyroid and low t too? What did you do to solve it? I'm really thinking that maybe Hypothyroid made my T to decrease because I remember when I started to get symptons like tired, increase weight, losing libido, losing morning wood, my sperm started to become watery etc and then I went to a doctor and my TSH was 3 and then 4 and they were urologists and said your normal. Do you have a link that I can see a person that had low thyroid and low t and fixing the thyroid the T increased and the symptons has gone? The only two things that I don't want is to take testosterone, HCG injections and using viagra Cialis etc. I don't know do you take cialis or not? If you take don't you think that your testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) is not so good?
    Well, it first started off as being hypothyroid, just marginally. Then I got in a bad motorcycle accident and had a head injury. That caused a pituitary trauma and fucked up my HPTA. Well, during that time, my test levels went to about a 200, adrenal fatigue issues as in little to none cortisol and an even worse thyroid reading. So after getting on thyroid supplementation and figuring out the whole Reverse T3 issue and trying a system restart a few times, I made the choice to get on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT). And that was at 28 years old. The highest I could get my test was like a 330. Plus I had done cycling at a young age back in the day, so who really knows why my test levels were shot. I can look for some links to see what I have. I do take Cialis. It has nothing to do with the fact that my testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) is not so good. My testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) is fine, I just like my bedroom to look like I slaughtered a lamb after I have sex!!! lol.

    Seriously though, I take Cialis to lower my Blood pressure especially when I am cycling like I am now (Tren). It keeps my blood pressure at a good range. Testosterone can also cause some men's prostate to swell and Cialis is good for preventing that as well. Lastly, like I said, I feel like king kong in the bedroom!! Haha. You are young and your T level is not terribly bad. I have seen much worse. Again, do your research and make sure you fix that thyroid. 95% of the docs out there will prescribe T4 only medication for your thyroid and that is honestly the worst thing for you. If any, try to get on a T4/T3 combo med like Armor Thyroid, etc. I personally like T3 only but it took me ages to find a doctor that would prescribe it to me. I used to buy my T3 and self medicate. Fuck it, I couldn't continue to feel like shit anymore so I had to make that decision to do so. If you need any help with the thyroid stuff, shoot me a PM and I can help you out. Make sure you do your research!!

    As for your situation. All I am saying is that if you cannot get it up, you have options like Cialis and I wouldn't be afraid to touch it. I would rather get on something like that than to not be able to get it up. If just sex "Drive" is your issue, then obviously I wouldn't worry about taking some.
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    I don't have any problem in my HPTA never had an injury in my head etc. Do you wake up with morning wood? Do you take cialis because you have a problem in your blood pressure? Because I'm trying to fix my thyroid to get back in action without medications like viagra, cialis etc, I can get erection in masturbation that's why I think I will not need these kind of things. And I know that a lot of people go to testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) to not use viagra etc. I will try T3 only

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brazilianguy View Post
    I don't have any problem in my HPTA never had an injury in my head etc. Do you wake up with morning wood? Do you take cialis because you have a problem in your blood pressure? Because I'm trying to fix my thyroid to get back in action without medications like viagra, cialis etc, I can get erection in masturbation that's why I think I will not need these kind of things. And I know that a lot of people go to testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) to not use viagra etc. I will try T3 only
    Yes I wake up with morning wood for sure. I just take the Cialis because I am cycling now (or blasting I should say) so instead of getting on BP meds, I can run just 10mg of Cialis EOD and it keeps my blood pressure around 135/82. Try the T3 only and see how you do. Make sure to ramp it up slowly!!

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    Ok so I have some questions.
    Did you just take T3 to cure your hypothyroidism? What level of cortisol should I be? 15 or above in the morning?
    Do you still take T3? It need to be for life right? Do I need to take 2 pills per day? I think I will try mexican cynomel
    Do you know if my mood will get better? I mean I'm depressed, I speak slowly and missing words, do you think it will improve too?
    And the last and most important question. You're just taking cialis to your blood pressure and because you're cycling right? If you are off cycle can you have sex without cialis? Because I don't want to use it to have sex I'd like to just optimize my hormones and have sex normally

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brazilianguy View Post
    Ok so I have some questions.
    Did you just take T3 to cure your hypothyroidism? Yes I do. I cannot be on any type of T4 whatsoever. What level of cortisol should I be? 15 or above in the morning? Yes, I honestly like to see it at least at 15 in the morning. I used to have a 3-4 reading in the AM and that made me feel like death. It is important that you support your adrenals while supplementing T3.
    Do you still take T3? Yes It need to be for life right? Yes you do. Do I need to take 2 pills per day? The number of pills is dependent on how much your dosage is. You definitely need to start off smaller and work your dosage up a bit. I would start at half a pill which is 12.5mcg. That is if the pill is a 25mcg pill. Cynomel usually comes in 25mcg pills. You will probably need anywhere from 25-50mcg per day. Again, you will have to see where your RT3 reading is and go off of how you feel. I think I will try mexican cynomel
    Do you know if my mood will get better? I mean I'm depressed, I speak slowly and missing words, do you think it will improve too? Personally, when I started supplementing T3, my mood and energy was a lot better. Everyone is different but you will/should feel a positive reaction from taking T3. Again, if you are on too much, you can get some severe anxiety, higher blood pressure, etc. So again, you have to start off small and work your way up.
    And the last and most important question. You're just taking cialis to your blood pressure and because you're cycling right? If you are off cycle can you have sex without cialis? Because I don't want to use it to have sex I'd like to just optimize my hormones and have sex normally. Correct. I use Cialis to control my blood pressure while on cycle and mainly because I just like the sex while taking it. It is a personal preference. I don't need it to fuck. I just like the stuff. You should be able to optimize your hormones and get to a point where everything should be working correctly.
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    Did you have any issue with adrenal fatigue? I never took any thyroid supplementation. I think T4 only can cause adrenal fatigue
    Did you have diagnosed your pituitary damage? Or just think it happened? Before you have this damage and was hypo treating it restore your testosterone levels? Can you send me any link that I can read a person that increased his testosterone just fixing the thyroid? If I can restore my levels fixing the thyroid I will hope to increase just taking vitamin D3

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brazilianguy View Post
    Did you have any issue with adrenal fatigue? Yes I did have adrenal fatigue for a good period of time. I never took any thyroid supplementation. I think T4 only can cause adrenal fatigue. Yes T4 and both T3 can stress the adrenals but I think T4 makes them way worse because of the constant conversion that is taking place in your body.
    Did you have diagnosed your pituitary damage? Well I had pituitary trauma and vertigo as a diagnosis. I got tired of getting those brain scans all the time. Lol. Or just think it happened? Before you have this damage and was hypo treating it restore your testosterone levels? I supplemented my thyroid and my test levels raised up but not to a level that I was happy with which is why I eventually got on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT). It barely raised them. But most recently, a friend of mine really raised his test levels by fixing his thyroid by about 200 points on his Total Test reading. Can you send me any link that I can read a person that increased his testosterone just fixing the thyroid? I have looked for the article I used to have but I can't find it on my computer. I will try to see if I can find it elsewhere. If I can restore my levels fixing the thyroid I will hope to increase just taking vitamin D3?? Vitamin D is very important but another really important element for a thyroid is iodine. Do some research on that. I would also get an iodine test. It is a urinary test but it will show you if you are deficient. A lot of people get out of the hypothyroid state after they supplement iodine!! Do some research in to that as well.
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    Another question, do you still take meds to your adrenal fatigue or now you just take T3? I think would be boring to take more and more medication so If I could be just on T3 would be ok

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brazilianguy View Post
    Another question, do you still take meds to your adrenal fatigue or now you just take T3? I think would be boring to take more and more medication so If I could be just on T3 would be ok
    I take supplements for my adrenal fatigue that helps with balancing your cortisol. They are supplements you can order online. I take Licorice Root and a supplement called Adreset. I only take them when I feel my adrenals getting stressed. I know how that feeling is but most people don't need to get on supplements.

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    Did you take T4 for a time? Do you know if using T4 could make cortisol worst? Also I have a friend with high RT3 and he is switching synthroid for natural thyroid which have T4+T3+T2+T1+Calcitocin do you think its better take natural thyroid or just T3? I don't know I think T3 only is better because T4 will convert to T3 and T2 and T1 helps the conversion so just T3 should be easier I don't know.
    I'm asking these things because I hope I don't have any issue with my adrenal because I've never took t4 so maybe is a things that I can run away

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brazilianguy View Post
    Did you take T4 for a time? Do you know if using T4 could make cortisol worst? Also I have a friend with high RT3 and he is switching synthroid for natural thyroid which have T4+T3+T2+T1+Calcitocin do you think its better take natural thyroid or just T3? I don't know I think T3 only is better because T4 will convert to T3 and T2 and T1 helps the conversion so just T3 should be easier I don't know.
    I'm asking these things because I hope I don't have any issue with my adrenal because I've never took t4 so maybe is a things that I can run away
    Yes I did take T4 for about a month. I hated it man. I was dieting and everything and I put on 8 lbs of fat. I had severe anxiety and shortness of breath. Personally, I always say to try the T4/T3 combo med first like the one you mention. Some people run that and they do very well and they feel great because it has just enough T3 in it for them. If you take a combo med like Armor then see how you do on it and you can always test your RT3 and get that ratio and determine what the next step is. Worst case scenario, you find out you need to be on T3 only. So that is what I would do to be honest.

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    But I guess T3 only is almost the same thing because T4 is a pre hormone that will become T3, and the combo the T2 and T1 help the T4 to convert to T3 so I don't know all of the options leads to T3, so why T3 only is the worst case as you mention? Maybe the T4 let you with adrenal fatigue? Do you know if T4 could lead to adrenal fatigue?

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    How do you take your T3? How many splits do you do? I've read the best way is splitting in 5 doses this is crazy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brazilianguy View Post
    But I guess T3 only is almost the same thing because T4 is a pre hormone that will become T3, and the combo the T2 and T1 help the T4 to convert to T3 so I don't know all of the options leads to T3, so why T3 only is the worst case as you mention? Maybe the T4 let you with adrenal fatigue? Do you know if T4 could lead to adrenal fatigue?
    I said to try a combo first because some people do just fine on a T4/T3 only combo. Some docs will tell you that they love to have some form of T4 in there to stimulate the HPTA axis and make sure they are not completely "shutting" you down so to speak. My doc has wanted some T4 in my regime but the minute I take it, I don't convert it and the nasty side effects happen. T4 can cause adrenal fatigue and so can T3 from having your body revved up all the time. The key is to balance your diet and cut the junk out of it and make sure you are balancing your blood sugar. That has helped me the most.

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    How do you take your T3? How many splits do you do? I've read the best way is splitting in 5 doses this is crazy
    There is no need to split it up that many times per day. I take mine twice per day. 25mcg in the morning and 25mcg in the evening. The half life is around 10 hours I believe. However, 90% of the T3 is usually absorbed in the first 4 hours. 5 doses per day is not necessary. Also, that means that you will be needing to take the doses in the evening and when I do that, I have a hard time sleeping and I get hot during the night. I take one at 7am and the next one at 3-4pm.
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    That's good to read because I thought I would have to split a lot of times and I would become crazy look in my watch. I need to work well on natural thyroid because here in Brazil we don't have natural thyroid and T3 so I need to import and T3 is very expensive to import but natural thyroid is cheap. Do you think is good to see my ferritin, b12, vitamin D too? Because I think if I supplement those vitamins my reverse T3 would decrease and then I could just go on in natural thyroid. Also I would like to ask if its possible to correct adrenal fatigue with natural thyroid. All I want is to get my life back, my energy, my sex drive, my concentration, my memory. If possible I would like to use anything but testosterone

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    Also if you could send me your e-mail to talk
    my e-mail is joocarlos924@yahoo.com.br

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brazilianguy View Post
    That's good to read because I thought I would have to split a lot of times and I would become crazy look in my watch. I need to work well on natural thyroid because here in Brazil we don't have natural thyroid and T3 so I need to import and T3 is very expensive to import but natural thyroid is cheap. Do you think is good to see my ferritin, b12, vitamin D too? Because I think if I supplement those vitamins my reverse T3 would decrease and then I could just go on in natural thyroid. Also I would like to ask if its possible to correct adrenal fatigue with natural thyroid. All I want is to get my life back, my energy, my sex drive, my concentration, my memory. If possible I would like to use anything but testosterone
    It is definitely good to test your ferritin, Vitamin D, and B12. Additionally, you might have really low iodine levels and they play a huge role in the thyroid function. Research that some. It is possible to correct adrenal fatigue with several things. There are just so many variables. In my experience, I have taken some adrenal supplements that have helped like Licorice root and Adreset. Both are made by a company called Metagenics. Secondly, it is important to balance your blood sugar. Eat every 2-3 hours and eat foods that won't spike your blood sugar levels. So if you eat a big bowl of ice cream, your adrenals are going to pump out cortisol to respond to the increased blood sugar levels. That is what stresses the adrenals. Make sure you are getting plenty of sleep. You probably don't want to over do it in the gym. I also cut all caffeine out of my diet as well. Those changes can make the world of a difference. A paleo style of diet has worked wonders for me too. If your Ferritin levels are too low, you will have a hard time with T3. Read up on this site. This gives you a good idea about RT3: Reverse T3 and Thyroid resistance

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    I tried to send you a message but I don't know why I can't send you. I asked how is your routine now what supplements do you take and when you started to feel better. Also could you tell me your symptons before treating and now how you are? I have an important question if I supplement my adrenals as you do, is not necessary to take pregnenolone right? Or it's something different? Because I don't know I think supplementing adrenals the pregnenolone will raise too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brazilianguy View Post
    I tried to send you a message but I don't know why I can't send you. I asked how is your routine now what supplements do you take and when you started to feel better. Also could you tell me your symptons before treating and now how you are? I have an important question if I supplement my adrenals as you do, is not necessary to take pregnenolone right? Or it's something different? Because I don't know I think supplementing adrenals the pregnenolone will raise too
    You can't private message on here until you have reached 50 posts. However, I PM'd you my email address so just send me an email there.

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    I'm having problems with my e-mail. I was reading and I found that pregnonelone helps with adrenal fatigue also increase libido etc. Do you think I could use it instead of the other products?

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