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    Dr. Eugene Shippen For HRT
    I've got an appointment to see Dr.
    I was wondering if anyone had any experience getting treated by Dr. #$%



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    have fun with that. seems like a lot of work to get a sub par t level if you are primary. if secondary, spend 600$ plus segalaline prob isn't cheap and knock urself out.

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    I read his book, which wasn't bad in describing andropause (I imagine most on this board have)... he definitely understands how testosterone deficiency can affect people. But am I remembering correctly that toward the end he started talking about how he likes to administer testosterone if needed - he primarily likes pellets and, (I think) gels/creams are a close second? He has sworn off injectable testosterone and more or less said he won't use it. That's a non-starter for me since I've done the gels/creams. Personally, I have zero interest experimenting with pellets since I know what works now -- I think they start with n-pellets to see how you do, then every 3-4 months adjust number of pellets. I'm done experiementing and honestly it'd be too hard for me to make sure I get back in right on time to get my next set of pellets.

    On the Maximus protocol injecting just ahead of half life, I have no issues with ups/downs, which I think is the only medical argument against injection (ignoring people not wanting to do injections, etc).

    Not sure I'd pay $600 to have someone tell me to take Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and DIM. I tried DIM (the more expensive patented delivery form) for 6-months and saw zero from it.

    I know this doesn't really answer your question, but personally I'd save the $600 since it'd cover 3-months of Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) for most people.

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    ^^^ This.. I don't think anyone will say it better than this..

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    well said deus. I think we seek out new doctors thinking that they know something new. But trust me guys I've done all that. I know all the secrets of TRT. The biggest ones being stanazolol to block environmental toxins/lower SHBG and pregnenolone use 10-15mg twice a day sublingual with dhea spray twice a day....and using letrozole if you can afford it. Also Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) stimulates the enzymes that convert cholesterol into pregnenolone. Using test prop...and now i'm working on a way to increase serotonin synthesis...possibly by taking vitamin b6 int he form of p5p
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeusMalo View Post
    I read his book, which wasn't bad in describing andropause (I imagine most on this board have)... he definitely understands how testosterone deficiency can affect people. But am I remembering correctly that toward the end he started talking about how he likes to administer testosterone if needed - he primarily likes pellets and, (I think) gels/creams are a close second? He has sworn off injectable testosterone and more or less said he won't use it. That's a non-starter for me since I've done the gels/creams. Personally, I have zero interest experimenting with pellets since I know what works now -- I think they start with n-pellets to see how you do, then every 3-4 months adjust number of pellets. I'm done experiementing and honestly it'd be too hard for me to make sure I get back in right on time to get my next set of pellets.

    On the Maximus protocol injecting just ahead of half life, I have no issues with ups/downs, which I think is the only medical argument against injection (ignoring people not wanting to do injections, etc).

    Not sure I'd pay $600 to have someone tell me to take Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and DIM. I tried DIM (the more expensive patented delivery form) for 6-months and saw zero from it.

    I know this doesn't really answer your question, but personally I'd save the $600 since it'd cover 3-months of Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) for most people.
    Thanks for the insight DeusMalo. I didn't know his stance on injectables.

    I wonder if his thoughts have changed since writing that book since it's been quite some time. I'm actually going to call his office again and ask them if he ever prescribes injectables.

    I'll let you know what I find out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cjw2021 View Post
    have fun with that. seems like a lot of work to get a sub par t level if you are primary. if secondary, spend 600$ plus segalaline prob isn't cheap and knock urself out.
    I believe I'm secondary but I'm not positive. Last time I had my LH tested it was only 2.5 mIU/ml (Reference range is 1.5 - 9.3 mIU/mL)

    So I figure if I can stimulate more LH production using Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and get my T levels to 850-1,100, then why not do that instead of injections?

    I'm not too worried about the money. I kind of like the idea of having a local doctor to talk to in person. (Dr. Shippen's office is about a 40 minute drive for me.)

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    It doesn't hurt to be monitored or try Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) solo first. Let us know your results. Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) alone didn't cut it for me - I guess I am primary.

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    The only problem I see w/ Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) mono therapy is that it must shut down the pituitary gland becauase it will see that enough LH is being produced becauase Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) mimics LH.. Assuming I am correct w/ this analysis; I would rather just inject testosterone w/ a supplement of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) to keep the boys functioning via HCGs mimicking effect.. I figure if I'm going to shut down any part of my axis, I might as well inject testosterone to get my testosterone levels higher.
    This is just unproffessional opinion, but you might want to throw this by the Good Doc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babyface58 View Post
    It's $600 for a consultation where he diagnoses you and prescribes you meds.
    IMHO, Maximus is cheaper, faster, more convenient, and gets you to the same place. Why waste time and money with an expensive specialist?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TR2838 View Post
    The only problem I see w/ Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) mono therapy is that it must shut down the pituitary gland becauase it will see that enough LH is being produced becauase Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) mimics LH.. Assuming I am correct w/ this analysis; I would rather just inject testosterone w/ a supplement of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) to keep the boys functioning via HCGs mimicking effect.. I figure if I'm going to shut down any part of my axis, I might as well inject testosterone to get my testosterone levels higher.
    This is just unproffessional opinion, but you might want to throw this by the Good Doc.

    Your wrong There is nothing wrong with Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) therapy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dread Pirate Roberts View Post
    Your wrong There is nothing wrong with Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) therapy.
    Could you please elaborate on that? I never said there was anything wrong w/ Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) therapy.. However; I said it must shut down the pituitary because of the Pituitary gland seeing enough LH/ Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG). Therefore, stops producing LH, No? Please explain why not.. I'm here to learn.
    I'm the first one to admit I don't know everything
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dread Pirate Roberts View Post
    Your wrong There is nothing wrong with Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) therapy.
    What about it's affect on e2? Drives it way up for me and I've seen others have the same problem...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TR2838 View Post
    The only problem I see w/ Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) mono therapy is that it must shut down the pituitary gland becauase it will see that enough LH is being produced becauase Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) mimics LH.. Assuming I am correct w/ this analysis; I would rather just inject testosterone w/ a supplement of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) to keep the boys functioning via HCGs mimicking effect.. I figure if I'm going to shut down any part of my axis, I might as well inject testosterone to get my testosterone levels higher.
    This is just unproffessional opinion, but you might want to throw this by the Good Doc.
    My thought is I'd rather try and see if I can boost my T to a good level using SubQ shots of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and an anti-E.

    Then I won't even have to deal with intramuscular injections of T and replace my body's entire T supply.

    Plus it wont shut your natural T levels down so you don't have to deal what that mess either - and you don't have to count on Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) to keep your nuts functioning.

    Sounds like a no-brainer to me. I'd like to at least try it and see how it works for me rather than jumping right back into T injections (Which I was on before.)

    If this doesn't work then I'd of course go back to T injections since that would be the only other choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordic11 View Post
    IMHO, Maximus is cheaper, faster, more convenient, and gets you to the same place. Why waste time and money with an expensive specialist?
    I guess I'd like to just try this doc out since he is an Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) specialist and he's known for his Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) protocol and extensive study & experience in HRT.

    Money isn't an issue, I'd just like to talk to this doc, have him look at my bloodwork and see what kind of protocol he recommends for me.

    I'd totally jump on board with Chip... just wanna see what this Doc can do with Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeusMalo View Post
    What about it's affect on e2? Drives it way up for me and I've seen others have the same problem...
    I think the right type & dose of anti-E would take care of this, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by babyface58 View Post
    I think the right type & dose of anti-E would take care of this, right?
    Oh, for some reason I thought we were talking about Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) mono therapy or Shippen's style of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) using DIM.

    An Aromatase inhibitor (AI) could handle the estrogen.

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    Just got a letter in the mail from Dr. Shippen along with a prescription for Clomid. Apparently this is for a "Clomiphene Stimulation Test" that will identify the source of the problem for my low T.

    I go into more detail here:

    Using Clomid To Test Your Nuts For Low T

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dread Pirate Roberts View Post
    Your wrong There is nothing wrong with Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) therapy.
    Ditto.

    There's alot of bad advice on this board from guys who think test injections are the only way to go. HCG-, clomid-, arimidex-monotherapy should be explored long before committing to a one way, lifetime therapy.

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    I stated that it was my unprofessional opinion; therefore leaving a lot of room for more knowledgeable people to state why my opinion is wrong. I never said not to try a restart.. I was only saying, what I would prefer to do, "personally".. Why don't you back up your your "correct information" with some facts.. Do you have studies that long term Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) therapy is safer than testosterone injections.. If so, post it up!
    I use this forum to get educated on these topics, as well as, some commaraderie w/ others going through the same journey..
    You NEVER contribute to either.. ALL of your posts are argumentative w/ zero facts to back up your arguments.. Maybe, you should go find somewhere else to state your baseless insults

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    Yeah, TR, I think ecdysone made a stupid statement with zero of it backed by anything. Stated quite differently than Dread Pirate (though I wish he would have put more than one sentence for both the OP and the rest of us to learn).

    Anyway, best I can tell ecdysone made it to push buttons since nearly every word is flat wrong... did it work? :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by deusmalo View Post
    what about it's affect on e2? Drives it way up for me and i've seen others have the same problem...
    definitely true in a great many individuals. Hgc has an extremely high rate of aromatization. When dealing with guys in their early 20's, we, at maximus Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT), like to try Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) monotherapy first along side of an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) to control estrogen stress. I, personally hate hcg, although it is a necessity, because it aromatizes so heavily in me. I take as little as possible.

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    Ok this thread is interesting. My question is: If Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) therapy works and your T levels rise to an acceptable level from it, what happens next? Do you have to stay on Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) to maintain that level? Or, can people actually get off the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and have their body hold that new T level? Just curious if Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) can kickstart the system so-to-speak so the therapy does not need to be done indefinitely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by methos View Post
    ok this thread is interesting. My question is: If Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) therapy works and your t levels rise to an acceptable level from it, what happens next? Do you have to stay on Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) to maintain that level? Or, can people actually get off the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and have their body hold that new t level? Just curious if Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) can kickstart the system so-to-speak so the therapy does not need to be done indefinitely.
    valid question. Varies from person to person. Unfortunately, there really is no "concrete" answer that would apply to everyone. You would need to get regular blood work done to see how it affects you, personally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeusMalo View Post
    Yeah, TR, I think ecdysone made a stupid statement with zero of it backed by anything. Stated quite differently than Dread Pirate (though I wish he would have put more than one sentence for both the OP and the rest of us to learn).

    Anyway, best I can tell ecdysone made it to push buttons since nearly every word is flat wrong... did it work? :-)
    you're funny Deus, it obviously worked.. Lol. I was tired going into work on a Sat morning and ummm, yea he pushed the right button.. Anyways this is turning into a good thread..

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