[webmouth247]

is it safe to use these together? i need a fat burner... but also like the pump and pre workout from the jack3d. can these be used together?

[Mcstabberson]

Cant say much on the oxy stuff. Jacked is great if you have no pre-existing health conditions..I.E. High Blood pressure cuz its gonna make your bp skyrocket.. plus you wont want to eat on the stuff (appetite suppressant). Great for cardio endurance Imo.

[webmouth247]

well i like the jack3d... its just im trying to drop some pounds (lean out) and every time i stay on the jack3d... my weight doesnt budge. i aslo stoped the jack3d and took some samples of the oxyelite, which i droped 7 pounds in a week. im just wondering if its safe to do both since i like the pumped feeling that the jack3d leaves me and burn some fat at the same time.

[JamieOleBoy]

Dude if you dropped 7 lbs in a week you need to revamp your diet, those diet pills will just make you lost muscle and put your body in a catabolic starvation mode...just eat healthier and add cardio imo..

[webmouth247]

thanks jamie for responding... ive been trolling this fourm for about 3-4 weeks now trying to learn about cycles.. and i noticed you through out alot of good advise, that being said..i do realize whats your saying is prolly true... but i just want that lil push to get me in the right direction. currently im 205, 5'7''. 5 years ago i started working out at the same weight and worked my ass off to get to a lean 167... got injured and now im back. only this time its not going soo smooth.

i would like to get to atleast 180, so i can get on a test e cycle and bulk muscle on a leaner body instead of bulking muscle ontop of fat.

[JamieOleBoy]

Why not just try a keto diet? High protein low carb diet with moderate cardio should trim you up man, with minimal muscle loss....

And plus, I don't know how you would sleep with that stuff hah

[webmouth247]

never heard of a keto diet.. maybe i should look into it....

as far as sleep... dude i work nights... infact im working now. so sleep. i sleep during the day.

[JamieOleBoy]

Well sleeping anytime would be hard in my opinion, you'd just have to see how it works....Keto diet's are strict and I suppose if you wanted to you could run the OEP to help you stay strict on your diet and give you energy (since it's a very low carb diet)

[webmouth247]

thanks ill look into it....

after this is completed all i got to do is figure out which ai and or pct to run with the test E, man that shit is confusing... so much info... so many opinions.

[JamieOleBoy]

lol np....just run aromasin 12.5mg eod (if you need to change it to ed) and run your pct with nolvadex at 40/40/20/20

[webmouth247]

yeah thats what i was thinking of running... any good info on that erase stuff rather than running aromasin?

[JamieOleBoy]

I'd stick with Aromasin haah

[MMA732]

Someone found Erase to be more effective than Aromasin but to each is his own.

[scottomus0]

ive used oxyelite pro and it was great!!

my only advise is not to take the 2nd pill right before working out, my heart rate was sky high and my head was spinning (especially on back day!)

i was droppin 1-2lbs a week with it, all without cardio.

best thing to do is get your diet in check, 500cals under maintainence, see what you lose after a week or 2, if its too much, add another 100cals or so.

once you slow down then its best to add a fat burner to get the most out of it.

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Originally Posted by webmouth247

is it safe to use these together? i need a fat burner... but also like the pump and pre workout from the jack3d. can these be used together?

yeah you could use those two together

[GettinJack3d]

N.O. SHOTGUNS alot better then jack3d i say.

[GettinJack3d]

oh yeah and also if you take jack3d ALOT you can fail a drug test

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[GettinJack3d]

i took them both at one time i really didnt feel like it was bad taking them together, i just felt like it wasnt neccesary since there both pretty much fat burners

[GregW]

That's a lot of caffeine to be taking altogether....why not alternate them throughout the week...or use a lower stimulant thermogenic? If you're trying to stay within the brand, Recreate has a lower dose of caffeine in it to pair with Jack3d.