IMO they're not really going to do much on cycle. not sure why you're using them now...
creatine is the only thing you should be on most of the time IMPO. its the only thing out of those supps thats actually proven to do anything.
I like your PCT plan. maybe just add your current every days back into PCT if you really want to use them.
Thanks. For me the evidence on those natty test boosters (from personal experience) is pretty convincing. I guess I should have provided the following:
158 pounds (down from 169 in January)
Lifting primarily GVT style for the last 2 years.
Residential gym rat for the last 20.
Normal (cutting season) macros (C/P/F) 100/200/30
After identifying the individual ingredients in the best selling test boost supplements, I sourced those individual ingredients and started my own test boost cocktail. This was back in August. By the third week, the ole nut sack was in constant tingle mode, the package in general was hanging lower and fuller, and my aggression and intensity in the gym went through the roof. I leaned out quickly and was soon doing tricep (cable push down) extensions with the full stack.
One other observation (that falls into the TMI category I'm sure), if I didn't have sex (in some form or fashion) for three days, I would start to involuntarily "leak" as it were.
So for me personally, as an "old timer", natty test boosters are a proven necessity.
Here are the products whose primary ingredients are included my "cocktail". HC Generate - Stinging Nettle - 3,4-divanillytetrahydrofuran (standardized to 95%) HC Generate - Fadogia Agrestis TestABOL - Bulbine Natalensis 100:1 (standarized to 55% steroidal saponins, 10% sterols, 2.5% sterolins), Testofen - Fenugreek Testalensis - Mucuna Pruriens (L-Dopa)
Okay, so the Nolva probably isn't necessary? This is a milder stack and with the Forma as an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) half way through the cycle, a second SERM may be overkill?
I appreciate all the knowledge and feedback. (Yes. It's my first cycle)
Last edited by Uncle_Rico; 04-25-2012 at 02:55 PM.