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    Gyno Reversal Help
    Hey all,
    Basically I am asking for your help/opinions on what to do with my slight/minor gyno. I got it from an stano drol/epi/h drol cycle that lasted about 5 weeks maybe 5 months ago at stano- 300,300,450,450,450 epi- 0,30,30,40,40 and hdrol- 50,75,75,100,125. I reversed my gyno once with letro but knew nothing about tapering down and it came back soon after. I then somewhat erased it again but ran out of letro and before i got a new batch in the mail it had come back. I then used a bit more and tried to use nolva also but that immediately made it worse. I now have a full letro 2.5/60, a bit of prami left, 3/4 full Clomid 25/60, near full nolva and maybe half or a third of aromasin at 12.5/60. I am currently on day 5 of a pmag/ stano/ mdrol cycle in which mdrol will be 20/20/20 p mag 75/100/100/100/100(2 days) and stano 900 all the way to help lethargy. I have heard that letro on cycle will hinder gains and make superdrol not work because of the bad lipid effects it has. If you can help me with the gyno issue/cycle ideas and PCT that would be great !
    Thanks !

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    Quote Originally Posted by xams2387 View Post
    Hey all,
    Basically I am asking for your help/opinions on what to do with my slight/minor gyno. I got it from an stano drol/epi/h drol cycle that lasted about 5 weeks maybe 5 months ago at stano- 300,300,450,450,450 epi- 0,30,30,40,40 and hdrol- 50,75,75,100,125. I reversed my gyno once with letro but knew nothing about tapering down and it came back soon after. I then somewhat erased it again but ran out of letro and before i got a new batch in the mail it had come back. I then used a bit more and tried to use nolva also but that immediately made it worse. I now have a full letro 2.5/60, a bit of prami left, 3/4 full Clomid 25/60, near full nolva and maybe half or a third of aromasin at 12.5/60. I am currently on day 5 of a pmag/ stano/ mdrol cycle in which mdrol will be 20/20/20 p mag 75/100/100/100/100(2 days) and stano 900 all the way to help lethargy. I have heard that letro on cycle will hinder gains and make superdrol not work because of the bad lipid effects it has. If you can help me with the gyno issue/cycle ideas and PCT that would be great !
    Thanks !
    PUMP THE BRAKES man. I know your probably panicking some but dumping more and more chemicals into your body is not the issue, its trying to find homeostasis and your spring boarding it all over.

    I have seen successful letro + other chemical runs that when tapered properly will reduce gyno/ git rid of it.

    The thing is you really should get a blood test as well to see wtf is going on, and running another cycle may not be the best atm.

    A more focused Aromatase inhibitor (AI) program with a gradual tapering off could help if you get it knocked out again. Chances are your dealing with the "Puffyness" and not a solid lump yet if you have had it go away.

    The thing is not to freak out or overdo it. But stop taking all the prohormones, and lets see what some peoples ideas on a tappering program are. I forgot all the ones I learned on other forums.
    "Yeshua"

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    Hey Zero i appreciate the quick response!
    the only reason I am running the cycle now is because i am at a community college (age 23) and it is my last semester here. After this it will be summer and a university where i will be consuming alcohol so I cannot run it then.
    I had also figured that i would run PCT Revolution Black on cycle to control estrogen, and PCT i would use clomid and letro and then aromasin once gyno cleared.
    About my gyno: maybe half pea sized lumps(maybe a pea sized) under each nipple with definite puffyness. They also "triangle" out. the side angle makes them look pointy I guess you could say.
    I realize its never smart to fret it too much but still keep my wits about the situation.
    I absolutely hate the libido loss from letro, is there anything i can take to help with that and the lethargy? And does it really kill gains on cycle?
    Thanks again bud.

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    By the way my first cycle was propadrol and p stanz, my second was stano drol/p stanz/ 11 oxo, my 3rd was the epi/hdrol/stanodrol/ and now i am on my 4th.

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    DHEA is often recommended for lethargy when on other cycles. But it also converts more readily to estrogen than to testosterone. Though if your taking a potent Aromatase inhibitor (AI) that should not matter. I would worry less about getting in one last cycle before you party hard, and more about long term results of everything.

    Your haphazardly doing these things it looks to me. And yes what you describe is moderate gyno symptoms. Nothing to freak out about, but just relax and take the time to slow things down.
    "Yeshua"

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    You could give AndroHard a try. Send me a PM and I will give you a discount.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xams2387 View Post
    Hey all,
    Basically I am asking for your help/opinions on what to do with my slight/minor gyno. I got it from an stano drol/epi/h drol cycle that lasted about 5 weeks maybe 5 months ago at stano- 300,300,450,450,450 epi- 0,30,30,40,40 and hdrol- 50,75,75,100,125. I reversed my gyno once with letro but knew nothing about tapering down and it came back soon after. I then somewhat erased it again but ran out of letro and before i got a new batch in the mail it had come back. I then used a bit more and tried to use nolva also but that immediately made it worse. I now have a full letro 2.5/60, a bit of prami left, 3/4 full Clomid 25/60, near full nolva and maybe half or a third of aromasin at 12.5/60. I am currently on day 5 of a pmag/ stano/ mdrol cycle in which mdrol will be 20/20/20 p mag 75/100/100/100/100(2 days) and stano 900 all the way to help lethargy. I have heard that letro on cycle will hinder gains and make superdrol not work because of the bad lipid effects it has. If you can help me with the gyno issue/cycle ideas and post cycle therapy (pct) that would be great !
    Thanks !
    Stano should actually help not hinder although you need a much higher dose. I would go with AH instead, and leave the letro out, if anything stop the cycle all together and focus on getting your gyno symptoms under control before cycling again.

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    Just curious, but why leave out the Letro?
    And how much Stanodrol is good?
    I am actually taking a clone of it by GE Pharma called SUPERFIRE (in 175mg capsules).
    I could scoop up another bottle if necessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryansm View Post
    Stano should actually help not hinder although you need a much higher dose. I would go with AH instead, and leave the letro out, if anything stop the cycle all together and focus on getting your gyno symptoms under control before cycling again.
    why would he want to stop letro??

    Id say fuk the cycle, get rid of the gyno....

    Letro + caber/prami all day. than switch to stane or dex for another 30-60 days to make sure no rebound comes back.

    slowly taper off the dex or stane too bro

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    Puffyness has not gone down in 10 days of Prami .75+ mg/day, Letro 2 mg/day by the way.
    Day 10 of cycle: Really only working out my legs this cycle to increase squat power/speed/vertical.
    Last cycle my squat went from around 285x3 to 360x3 and my vertical went from about 26 inches to 30 and can now dunk.
    So far this time I have gone up 20 lbs on squat (380) x3 and 15 lbs on Front Squat(240) x5. Will update more. I also hate the lethargy of Letro because it makes me too exhausted to lift and makes me feel zombyish and is if i never had enough sleep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xams2387 View Post
    I also hate the lethargy of Letro because it makes me too exhausted to lift and makes me feel zombyish and is if i never had enough sleep.
    Which is expected when driving estrogen extremely low.

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    Switched up my gyno products last night: Prami 1 mg, Letro .625mg, and aromasin 25 mg. Also upped the Stano Drol clone to 10/day (1,750 mg). Seems to have taken the puffiness down a bit already and sorta of tightened up the nipple area. Subtle, but I still noticed a bit. Ill be doing squats late also, so I'll let you know how I do.
    Last edited by xams2387; 03-29-2012 at 12:42 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gymrat827 View Post
    why would he want to stop letro??

    Id say fuk the cycle, get rid of the gyno....

    Letro + caber/prami all day. than switch to stane or dex for another 30-60 days to make sure no rebound comes back.

    slowly taper off the dex or stane too bro
    In terms of continuing the cycle, I actually think he should stop and use the letro. If he continues the cycle I wouldn't even bother with the letro (unless needed with a high dose of stano), jmo and raise the stano higher and run it for a long period 20+ weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gymrat827 View Post
    why would he want to stop letro??

    Id say fuk the cycle, get rid of the gyno....

    Letro + caber/prami all day. than switch to stane or dex for another 30-60 days to make sure no rebound comes back.

    slowly taper off the dex or stane too bro
    Agree

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    You guys are giving some good ideas. I think I'm set on continuing the cycle though and then I'll be done with them for a long time that is for sure. BTW I got 395x3 on Squat today. Like I said earlier, the gyno has shriveled a little bit since yesturday. I will continue the high dosed Stano, 1 mg of Prami, low dosed Letro, and 25 mg of Aromasin until results stop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gymrat827 View Post
    why would he want to stop letro??

    Id say fuk the cycle, get rid of the gyno....

    Letro + caber/prami all day. than switch to stane or dex for another 30-60 days to make sure no rebound comes back.

    slowly taper off the dex or stane too bro
    Once I start tapering on Exemestane, how do you recommend I dose that? Also have PCT Revolution Black, Wrecking Balls, Unleashed Test Booster, and a simple Libido Boosting complex comprised of basic ingredients like Horny Goat Weed, Maca, etc. Using Cycle Assist too. I started using the PCT Rev Black last night also-Sorry that I forgot to mention that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryansm View Post
    In terms of continuing the cycle, I actually think he should stop and use the letro. If he continues the cycle I wouldn't even bother with the letro (unless needed with a high dose of stano), jmo and raise the stano higher and run it for a long period 20+ weeks.
    Is 1,750 mg of Stano/day good?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xams2387 View Post
    Is 1,750 mg of Stano/day good?
    Should be

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    it may shrink but if very developed only cutting it out will take it away. dont mess with horomones untill you know what your doing....

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    Quote Originally Posted by juced_porkchop View Post
    it may shrink but if very developed only cutting it out will take it away. dont mess with horomones untill you know what your doing....
    I get that now, but as we both know it is a little late and that is why I am trying to reverse it before going the surgery route. By the way, how would I go about looking for a doctor for that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryansm View Post
    In terms of continuing the cycle, I actually think he should stop and use the letro. If he continues the cycle I wouldn't even bother with the letro (unless needed with a high dose of stano), jmo and raise the stano higher and run it for a long period 20+ weeks.
    Why would you run the Stano for 20+ weeks? Would that seriously affect my natural testosterone production by running it that long? How about libido?
    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xams2387 View Post
    Why would you run the Stano for 20+ weeks? Would that seriously affect my natural testosterone production by running it that long? How about libido?
    Thanks.
    Because it will take that long to possibly reverse it (based on actual studies using DHT)

    Sure I certainly would look into using Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), however, stano is mildly suppressive but at that length it would be wise to take precautions.

    You can reference this article for more information http://www.primordialperformance.com...ecomastia.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryansm View Post
    Because it will take that long to possibly reverse it (based on actual studies using DHT)

    Sure I certainly would look into using Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), however, stano is mildly suppressive but at that length it would be wise to take precautions.

    You can reference this article for more information primordialperformance.com/blog/articles/endocrinology-articles-steroids-gyno/16-ways-to-fight-gynecomastia.html
    What does The Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) do for gyno?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xams2387 View Post
    What does The Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) do for gyno?
    Nothing. He was suggesting it if you were concerned about suppression over a long period of times.

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    Okay. What prohormones aggravate gyno while on cycle?

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