Anabolic steroids, bodybuilding discussion forums. - Steroidology

 

This Forum Supports knowledge and information on the safe use of legal alternatives to synthetic steroids including but no limited to Pro hormones , and natural steroids.

Results 1 to 20 of 20
  1. #1
    Novice
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Posts
    70
    Rep Power
    3
    halodrol & Metha-drol extreme
    This is my first ever thread as I am a new to this site.

    I am looking into prohoromones. I have run across halodrol and Metha-drol extreme and am thinking of running the two together or should I take them seprately. I am embarassed to say that my research of prohoromones was pretty lazy. I didnt fact check nearly as much as I should have mostly because a lot of info I found on them seemed to be more bro science than actual science.

    Anyways I was hoping to get some tips in regards to pct(if its actually nessecary), should I run the two together or seperate and has anyone tried the two together. Also I dont know if body fat % and weight have play a role on dosage but I am 5'11, 230 and around 25% body fat(fat ass).

    Thanks for your help and dont be affraid to call me stupid for my lack of research.

  2. #2
    Novice
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Posts
    70
    Rep Power
    3
    Also on the post cycle therapy (pct) what do you guys recommend? I am new to this stuff. Dont know how effective it is but guys that are using this stuff are you using clomid post cycle or something else? Will this stuff really shut me down as much as the companies are claiming or is this just a selling point to make people think it is stronger than it really is?

    Once again I dont have access to test to run with it so thats not an option.

  3. #3
    Official Sponsor Orbitnutrition.com's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Posts
    874
    Rep Power
    6
    Quote Originally Posted by Deputy2002 View Post
    This is my first ever thread as I am a new to this site.

    I am looking into prohoromones. I have run across halodrol and Metha-drol extreme and am thinking of running the two together or should I take them seprately. I am embarassed to say that my research of prohoromones was pretty lazy. I didnt fact check nearly as much as I should have mostly because a lot of info I found on them seemed to be more bro science than actual science.

    Anyways I was hoping to get some tips in regards to pct(if its actually nessecary), should I run the two together or seperate and has anyone tried the two together. Also I dont know if body fat % and weight have play a role on dosage but I am 5'11, 230 and around 25% body fat(fat ass).

    Thanks for your help and dont be affraid to call me stupid for my lack of research.
    If its your first run with PHs ever go with halodrol its mild and will give you good gains.

  4. #4
    Novice
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Posts
    70
    Rep Power
    3
    Thanks for the advice but then when should I start the metha-drol and should I use something like clomid with them?

    By the way I like your site.

  5. #5
    I am banned!
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Posts
    1,062
    Rep Power
    0
    I would not recommend methadrol for your first, or even second cycle. It has superdrol in it which is nothing to mess around with. Good gains, horrible sides. For your first cycle go with a milder PH such as Halodrol or Epistane. I've used both and had good results with low sides. I would suggest a SERM for post cycle therapy (pct), but others may argue that on OTC product will work. For maximum results, use a SERM though.

  6. #6
    Junior Bodybuilder BeastinTheEast's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Posts
    386
    Rep Power
    3
    Halodrol/Helladrol without a doubt, You would see some great gains for a first PH and with little to no sides like stated above. I'm currently using Epi and it's pretty good but i think Halodrol would yield better results just my opinion. Nolva would be a great post cycle therapy (pct), based on my current experience with N2-Guard i'd also recommend it as an on-cycle support, haven't had any side issues with Epi even the most common such as joint issues.

    Save the Metha-drol for the future, once you dabble with milder PH's and have some what of an idea of how you'll react to them. Then consider it, an Epi/Halodrol stack down the road would yield great results as well. Either way just make sure you give your training/diet 110% and you'll get what you want.

  7. #7
    Novice
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Posts
    70
    Rep Power
    3
    My training is pretty intense right now, with the exception of cardio which is pretty mild. My diet is shit as it has been my entire life. Probably why I am at 25% body fat. I just started lifting again in late December after about a six month hiatus. I am almost back to where I was as far as strength goes when I was at my peak. I am hoping that these will give me a bit of an edge in the gym. I really dont know what to expect.

    You had mentioned dedication to training and diet. Training dedication and intensity is not a probablem. Diet is a major one. I have managed to pack on 12lbs since Christmas but have not noticed any extra fat gain and my strength has been rapidly increasing (I feel like the Incredible Hulk and I havent even started my cycle yet). I guess my question is can you recommend a supplement that will help with metabolism yet allow me to hang onto my strength?

    Also I plan on starting the halodrol next week. I see people talking about preping for a cycle by taking Milk Thistle and drinking a ton of water. Is there anything else I should do before I start the cycle?

  8. #8
    Novice
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Posts
    70
    Rep Power
    3
    I feel like an idiot. I had really planed on stacking them together. I guess I didnt realize the potency of these products. I thought for sure I would be able to stack the two together and possibly add clomid pct

    Now that I know to take the halodrol first, how long should I then wait till I take the Metha-drol?

  9. #9
    FNG F350powerstroke's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Posts
    159
    Rep Power
    4
    Beast what is ur thoughts about "pulsing"?

  10. #10
    Novice
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Posts
    70
    Rep Power
    3
    I'm sorry for my ignorance but what is pulsing?

  11. #11
    I am banned!
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Posts
    1,062
    Rep Power
    0
    pulsing is when you take your PH every other day. So for instance, my first PH experience was Halodrol and I ran it every day for 30 days. If I were to pulse, I would take is every OTHER day for 60 days. There are claims that it cuts down on side affects and will still give you great results and allow you to keep more of your gains during post cycle therapy (pct). I have no idea if this is true to be honest with you, but it's something worth looking at.

    Halo is a great first PH. The general rule is that time on + pct = time off. So if you run Halo for a month, do a 3 week post cycle therapy (pct), you would want to take AT LEAST 7-8 weeks off before running something again. this allows your liver and lipids to recover and your receptors to cleanse themselves, so to speak.

  12. #12
    I am banned!
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Posts
    1,062
    Rep Power
    0
    Also, the reason you wouldn't want to take the two together is because they are both methylated, which makes it very hard on the liver. Some people do stack, but they stack a methyl with a non-methyl. For a first run, however, just stick to a single compound. I would suggest saving the methadrol for your third PH cycle, assuming the first two go well. If you don't have it though, buy it and save it. Superdrol is going to be banned very shortly.

  13. #13
    Novice
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Posts
    70
    Rep Power
    3
    Thanks again for response. I googled it as well and got more of idea how it works.

    Should I run the halo for the recommended dosage and then follow it up with clomid for post cycle therapy (pct)? Or is there any benefit of running clomid along side the halo and also extending clomid for a couple of weeks for post cycle therapy (pct)? It's my understanding that clomid will increase natural t-levels if they are suppressed. So if halo is suppressing my t-levels wouldn't it make sense to run clomid through out my cycle of halo?

  14. #14
    Novice
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Posts
    70
    Rep Power
    3
    On a side note I saw somewhere that this stuff wont work if my body fat % is too high and if my lipids are out of whack. Just had a blood test performed and it shows my triglycerides are way too high at 478. My HDL cholesterol is too low at 33 and my LDL could not be measured due to the triglycerides being too high.

    Obviously this is something that I need to get under control but will these out of whack ratios effect the prohormones? The warning lable states not too use it if you blood pressure is high but it does not state anything about cholesterol being bad or it having any effect on the drug.

  15. #15
    Junior Bodybuilder
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Posts
    280
    Rep Power
    3
    Superdrol clones -
    Superdrone
    Superdrol
    Beastdrol
    M-Drol

    Chemical name(s):
    2a,17a-dimethyl-5a-androst-3-one-17b-ol
    2a,17a-dimethyl-etiocholan-3-one-17b-ol
    17-aa steroid

    Toxicity rating (1-5): 5


    Halodrol clones -
    Turinabol
    Halodrol
    Helladrol
    H-Drol

    Chemical name(s):
    4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1,4-diene-3b,17b-diol
    17-aa steroid

    Toxicity rating (1-5): 2


    Epistane clones -
    Epistane
    Epi-Strong
    Havoc
    M-14 E

    Chemical Name(s):
    2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-etioallocholan-17b-ol
    2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol
    17-aa steroid

    Toxicity rating (1-5): 3

  16. #16
    Junior Bodybuilder BeastinTheEast's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Posts
    386
    Rep Power
    3
    Quote Originally Posted by Deputy2002 View Post
    My training is pretty intense right now, with the exception of cardio which is pretty mild. My diet is shit as it has been my entire life. Probably why I am at 25% body fat. I just started lifting again in late December after about a six month hiatus. I am almost back to where I was as far as strength goes when I was at my peak. I am hoping that these will give me a bit of an edge in the gym. I really dont know what to expect.

    You had mentioned dedication to training and diet. Training dedication and intensity is not a probablem. Diet is a major one. I have managed to pack on 12lbs since Christmas but have not noticed any extra fat gain and my strength has been rapidly increasing (I feel like the Incredible Hulk and I havent even started my cycle yet). I guess my question is can you recommend a supplement that will help with metabolism yet allow me to hang onto my strength?

    Also I plan on starting the halodrol next week. I see people talking about preping for a cycle by taking Milk Thistle and drinking a ton of water. Is there anything else I should do before I start the cycle?
    Okay that's very good keep that mind set and focus you will get 10x the results if you just keep trying as hard as you can and not giving up. I didn't pre-load with anything for mine but i do drink a LOT of water so i would say as long as your water intake is adequate that you wouldn't need to prep really unless it's just for peace of mind! As for something to keep your metabolism up i'd recommend N2-Burn and because it is strong you would NOT need a pre workout more than likely because you're getting great pumps from the Halo as well as keeping sustained energy from N2-Burn. It would raise your metabolism considerably as well without a doubt. As for strength it will go up without a problem just keep challenging yourself man.

    Here's an idea of what i got from Epi (20mg up to 40mg for 5 weeks) which has similar results as a Halo cycle:

    Start: 233Lbs
    Finish: 243Lbs + Leaner and a LOT stronger. Log pic's and all info is up in the PH section too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deputy2002 View Post
    I feel like an idiot. I had really planed on stacking them together. I guess I didnt realize the potency of these products. I thought for sure I would be able to stack the two together and possibly add clomid pct

    Now that I know to take the halodrol first, how long should I then wait till I take the Metha-drol?
    Hey no problem man you gotta learn some how, metha drol would be something i would consider after 2-3 cycles of say halo or epi or halo/epi that's just my opinion though. Or try Super by itself.

    Quote Originally Posted by F350powerstroke View Post
    Beast what is ur thoughts about "pulsing"?
    Honestly i have never tried it since Epi was my first cycle! I've read a lot on it and it seems like it would work it's just kind of unorthodox as opposed to a "standard" cycle. Some people believe pulsing to be better since you can be "on" longer.

    Quote Originally Posted by Duke30 View Post
    Superdrol clones -
    Superdrone
    Superdrol
    Beastdrol
    M-Drol

    Chemical name(s):
    2a,17a-dimethyl-5a-androst-3-one-17b-ol
    2a,17a-dimethyl-etiocholan-3-one-17b-ol
    17-aa steroid

    Toxicity rating (1-5): 5


    Halodrol clones -
    Turinabol
    Halodrol
    Helladrol
    H-Drol

    Chemical name(s):
    4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1,4-diene-3b,17b-diol
    17-aa steroid

    Toxicity rating (1-5): 2


    Epistane clones -
    Epistane
    Epi-Strong
    Havoc
    M-14 E

    Chemical Name(s):
    2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-etioallocholan-17b-ol
    2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol
    17-aa steroid

    Toxicity rating (1-5): 3
    Oh wow i like this, never even thought for a second epi would be more toxic than halo. Guess you learn something new everyday!
    Last edited by BeastinTheEast; 03-07-2012 at 03:24 PM.

  17. #17
    Novice
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Posts
    70
    Rep Power
    3
    I'm curious to what the toxicity rating is in comparison to....like is it worse than going on a weekend drinking parade??? Is it equivalent to drinking a bottle of jack every night or is it more like having a couple of beers everyday for a month? How is it toxic and to what extent?

  18. #18
    Junior Bodybuilder
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Posts
    280
    Rep Power
    3
    Why would someone go drinking even on a weekend binge when you very concerned about your liver?..You're just putting undue stress on your liver after taking all these supplements to prevent that from happening in the first place.

    Where does the toxicity comes from ?...not sure..good question..BUT it could mean that what post cycle therapy (pct) that fights off the toxicity and how much you need to correct it.It's all on the labels...but One can't compare supplement stress to say drinking stress but you could use post cycle therapy (pct) as not to stress the liver from drinking.

    I did leave out One more rating about
    Dimethazine clones -
    Dimethazine
    Dieselbolan v2.0

    Chemical Name(s):
    17beta-hydroxy 2alpha,17alpha-dimethyl 5alpha-androstan 3-one azine
    17-aa steroid

    Toxicity rating (1-5): 5

    Good idea to start with the lower rating and work your way up if you intend to keep growing and living a healthy life,with post cycle therapy (pct) of course!

  19. #19
    Amateur Bodybuilder
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Posts
    874
    Rep Power
    4
    Quote Originally Posted by Duke30 View Post
    Why would someone go drinking even on a weekend binge when you very concerned about your liver?..You're just putting undue stress on your liver after taking all these supplements to prevent that from happening in the first place.

    Where does the toxicity comes from ?...not sure..good question..BUT it could mean that what post cycle therapy (pct) that fights off the toxicity and how much you need to correct it.It's all on the labels...but One can't compare supplement stress to say drinking stress but you could use post cycle therapy (pct) as not to stress the liver from drinking.

    I did leave out One more rating about
    Dimethazine clones -
    Dimethazine
    Dieselbolan v2.0

    Chemical Name(s):
    17beta-hydroxy 2alpha,17alpha-dimethyl 5alpha-androstan 3-one azine
    17-aa steroid

    Toxicity rating (1-5): 5

    Good idea to start with the lower rating and work your way up if you intend to keep growing and living a healthy life,with post cycle therapy (pct) of course!


    post cycle therapy (pct) = SERMs

    which are mild-moderately liver toxic and will stress your liver.


    where would you come up with something like this?



    and you failed to read his post and started to rant about drinking... nice...

  20. #20
    Novice
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Posts
    70
    Rep Power
    3
    Yeah I think you miss under stood me a little but it's not a big deal. I was just trying to compare pro hormones liver toxicity to things I have encountered in the past.

    I am sure they increase bilirubin levels and that is probably where the toxicity rating comes from.

uniquemicals
Thread Information
Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Similar Threads
  1. By Rattbones in forum "My Steroid Cycle" Forum
    Replies: 20
    Last Post: 01-30-2012, 03:20 AM
  2. By Skinny...In a Big Way in forum Anabolic Steroid Forum
    Replies: 10
    Last Post: 04-11-2006, 02:05 AM
  3. By xtinct in forum Anabolic Steroid Forum
    Replies: 12
    Last Post: 05-28-2003, 02:58 AM
Tags for this Thread
Bookmarks
Posting Permissions
  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
  

3Js Nutrition Network

juicepump







solid muscle isolate 5lb



need to build muscle

3Js Nutrition Network

mr supps

mr supps





health and fitness talk