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    Snoot age related i was more referring to your natural ability, u claim to be between 9-11% bf so obviously havnt had any accurate measurements judging from your picture with the down lighting even u still don't have visible abs so even 11% i doubt, your going to be messing with ur hypothalmus loop (hpta) at 20 where u will make some good short term gains then fight to maintain which will be an even tougher fight if your diet isnt perfect, where as you could have done natty for a few more years trained hard stuck to a clean bulking diet and make similar gains long term.

    Cycle duration is a tough one to argue due to it being an illegal drug with no study's shown to prove any AR saturation, although it is a term that has been thrown around for a long time throughout all forums and books mostly based off personal exp, I was more giving the opinion to shorten it because the longer ur cycle the harder and longer it will take to get ur nat T back up, a lot of people i personally know on the juice upregulate there dosage because they found around week 8 it would slow down significantly in results and weeks 10-12 were very small changes even whilst upping calorie intake with there weight changes.

    U don't have to add the clomid, i like the idea of estrogen priming not that it is supported by any study just a basic understanding of human anatomy and physiology, if u get a chance there was a good read by dr scully on why to use clomid and nolva together, also a big argument but quite interesting to sort through

    Diet is heaps important but if u try and eat clean not 100% serious i usually would just suggest keeping folic acid high, get ur EFA's, keep potassium high and sodium low to help counteract some health concerning side effects even though it isnt that high a dosage,

    training routine, legs was kinda a good suggestion to add in i would move reps up to 8-10 do a warm up set for every exercise followed by 2 working strict movement focus on a nice controlled eccentric movement can slow it down to around 2 seconds and then explosive for concentric around 1 second, to attain hypertrophy of the muscle it is all about the stretch and contraction of the muscle, and then do 1 failure set where u need a spotter for the final rep all sets done with around 1-1.5min rest between set so adjust weight accordingly for each movement and finish with a fst7 movement for each muscle group where u do 7 sets of an exercise with 30 second rest between sets... now that the juice has kicked in train chest one day 5 exercises including fst7, back 5 ex inc fs7 another, arms 4 ex each bi and tri inc fst 7, legs i usually start with hamy's and glutes try and hit in from different angles seated leg curls laying leg curls then move into lunges squats leg press and finish with fst 7 hack squat followed by seated and standing calf raise with higher reps around 15 each set, shoulders 5 ex inc fst7. cortisol is something u want to keep in mind also, especially when your coming off the juice and over training so when coming off i would drop it back to chest and bi's in one sessions, back and tris, legs, shoulders, keeping training sessions around the 45 minute mark, gh will drop off at 35 and cortisol will start to pick up.

    Sorry for expressing an opinion in attempt to help

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    Hey snoot any update

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    Beatz, that was a better comment which I appreciate, the first comment you made came across to me as if you were saying I was stupid and didn't do enough research ect, it seemed as though you were arguing with the fact that I had started aas, though thank you for that follow up comment, that was more helpful than the first by far. I appreciate the help.
    Though as you say about my age messing with my hpta, I disagree, there is no evidence to suggest that this is the case, well I havnt found any myself and I have looked for it. 1 concern was fusing of the growth plates prematurely but I figured that mine have already stopped because I havnt grew in about 4-5 years and have always been more developed than others, hairs receding already too ffs... Lol. No but seriously thanks for your second comment bro.

    And jada, not much has happened yet ffs, I've gained about 6lb in the past week or so but havnt notices any strenght gains yet or energy in the gym, I guess I'm just one of the unlucky ones who has to wait 6+ weeks...

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    Quote Originally Posted by snoot View Post
    Though as you say about my age messing with my hpta, I disagree, there is no evidence to suggest that this is the case, well I havnt found any myself and I have looked for it.
    There isn't much evidence for anything to do with AAS besides study's that were conducted long ago, most advice given by any1 on juice is either an educated guess or by experience

    and age wise my personal experience from 20-23 was over 20kg weight gained sub10% bf through summer and never over 13%bf throughout each year i grew up first and then filled out but a lot of the time i was in the same boat wanting to get maximum gains in a short duration but glad i stuck by natty for that period
    Last edited by beatz; 06-23-2012 at 05:27 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beatz View Post
    There isn't much evidence for anything to do with AAS besides study's that were conducted long ago, most advice given by any1 on juice is either an educated guess or by experience

    and age wise my personal experience from 20-23 was over 20kg weight gained sub10% bf through summer and never over 13%bf throughout each year i grew up first and then filled out but a lot of the time i was in the same boat wanting to get maximum gains in a short duration but glad i stuck by natty for that period
    I suppose I know what you mean bro, though I took into consideration that I am a lot more developed than others my age and always have been. I suppose you never know what can happen though. That's pretty nice 20kg in that ammount of time, its taken me 2 years to gain 4kg though up until recently my diet hasn't been bulky enough. I've changed that though. I was and always have been curious about the effects of drugs and in the past have tried A LOT of different legal + illegal drugs so I think it was curiousity and impatience that's drove me to juice. (Btw I'm not taking any drugs anymore). Thanks for your comments though and sorry if I came off as a bit of a dick before lol.

    Anyway back to my log. Today I went to the gym and mixed things up a bit, firstly I decided to try and max my bench, then did a lot of squats and biceps then some stomache instead of my usual workout.

    Started off on bench, did a bar warm up, then a 90lb warm up, then 160lb warm up then I put 265lb on the bar. 260 was my highest at this point and I failed miserably at 265 the week before.
    Today though I managed to do it pretty easily, a lot easier than I expected. Though I stopped there because I bench on mondays, this was just a test to see if the test was working which I think it has

    Squatting has went from 100lb to 170 8 times for a few sets in 2 or 3 weeks though I think that's all just natty because Ive never did squats before really, though I wish I had, I love squats now... Anyway done about 5 or 6 sets of 8 150lb,160lb and a few of 170lb. I know this is really bad but I just started a few weeks ago

    Everything I did with biceps seemed a lot easier. and I was lifting a bit more and doing a few more reps than normal. Had an amazing pump too.

    I didn't log anything I did for stomache really just some weighted sit ups and crunches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snoot View Post
    That's pretty nice 20kg in that ammount of time

    Ye I am running my first cycle atm i put it up u can have a read if u want, i outlined my diet and how i set it up in quite a lot of detail just not to the point where i explain why certain foods are placed where, and that same principle is basically what i used for 3 years to gain lean muscle mass keeping my bf low, my body hates putting on weight but i was a super skinny ectomorph and crazy tall 6 foot 6.

    ive put on 9kg so far at 350mg/wk just gone up to 400mg/wk and into my 7th week of cycle so had great results but eating like a beast real clean also.

    Goodluck man ill be keeping an eye on ur thread see how u go.

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    Add more protein to your diet, bro.

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    I do need to sort my diet out a bit, the bullshit thing is I work long shifts with short breaks. I work 8 hours some days with a 30 min break. I can maybe manage 900cal maximum in this time. I think this may be really hindering my gains. Days off work I probably get 3.5k cals which I've realised isn't enough, I need to get to work sorting that out.
    I'm gonna give my diet a rethink...

    Anyone have any idea what I can do about the long work shifts? Or what foods are suitable to munch down a lot of calories in short time? This is really a problem...

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    Quote Originally Posted by snoot View Post
    Anyone have any idea what I can do about the long work shifts? Or what foods are suitable to munch down a lot of calories in short time? This is really a problem...
    I have a recipe for some protein balls my brother made, u can carry them around at work in a bumbag or packet them yourself and put them in your pockets, it's what i use usually on a low carb day though to alter till u see fit for your purpose i guess, when i have a long shift there is only one gap where i cant eat for 5 hours so i smash these , i use organic cacao powder (super high in antioxidants, essential minerals, essential fats, and does a number of positives with your neurotransmitters) i buy it on ebay pretty cheap for a 1kg bag and lasts a fair while, almond's, almond butter, honey, protein powder, dessicated coconut, and u will want the carbs so u can add oats to it u jst need to blend everything up very fine and add water

    here is a rough outline of the recipe with the amount and nutrients in each ball

    10 Choc protein balls

    - 500g almond meal (75g fat, 35g protein)
    - 30g unsweetened cacao powder (3g fat, 18g carbs, 8g protein)
    - 3 tbl spoons of almond butter (27g fat, 9g carb, 6g pro)
    - 2-3 tbl spoons honey (17g carbs per tablespoon if 21g scoop)
    - 200g protein powder
    - add as much water that seems necessary, too much makes them to squishy so u can always add more

    That would average around 25g protein/6.1g carbs/10.5g fat

    and then add oats to try and get around 25-30g carbs from each ball imo

    just make sure everything is crushed up well if u do it, no chunks or anything and roll it in dessicated coconut once done leave to sit in the fridge for an hour or so before eating takes like 10-15mins to make and they taste good

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    That actually looks amazing I'm gonna have to try that myself, thanks for posting that.
    Though I can't eat at work at all, there's always managers walking about and if you get caught eating they are not happy... They see it fit that you get 1 chance to eat in an 8 hour period... They are women and don't seem to grasp the idea of bulking and lifting...

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    That actually looks amazing I'm gonna have to try that myself, thanks for posting that.
    Though I can't eat at work at all, there's always managers walking about and if you get caught eating they are not happy... They see it fit that you get 1 chance to eat in an 8 hour period... They are women and don't seem to grasp the idea of bulking and lifting...

    I might go buy this stuff when I get paid on thursday, thanks again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snoot View Post
    No you are correct bro I havnt been squating or deadlifting, and I know that I need to get those deads back into my routine, starting with my next back day. I shall start doing deads again. I stopped doing them after I was injured through a shoulder injury for about 8 weeks and never started doing them again.
    Though I fucking hate squats, I've never liked them and I don't plan on doing them. Deadlifts will do me fine
    Squats are the shit

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    Quote Originally Posted by beatz View Post
    I have a recipe for some protein balls my brother made, u can carry them around at work in a bumbag or packet them yourself and put them in your pockets, it's what i use usually on a low carb day though to alter till u see fit for your purpose i guess, when i have a long shift there is only one gap where i cant eat for 5 hours so i smash these , i use organic cacao powder (super high in antioxidants, essential minerals, essential fats, and does a number of positives with your neurotransmitters) i buy it on ebay pretty cheap for a 1kg bag and lasts a fair while, almond's, almond butter, honey, protein powder, dessicated coconut, and u will want the carbs so u can add oats to it u jst need to blend everything up very fine and add water

    here is a rough outline of the recipe with the amount and nutrients in each ball

    10 Choc protein balls

    - 500g almond meal (75g fat, 35g protein)
    - 30g unsweetened cacao powder (3g fat, 18g carbs, 8g protein)
    - 3 tbl spoons of almond butter (27g fat, 9g carb, 6g pro)
    - 2-3 tbl spoons honey (17g carbs per tablespoon if 21g scoop)
    - 200g protein powder
    - add as much water that seems necessary, too much makes them to squishy so u can always add more

    That would average around 25g protein/6.1g carbs/10.5g fat

    and then add oats to try and get around 25-30g carbs from each ball imo

    just make sure everything is crushed up well if u do it, no chunks or anything and roll it in dessicated coconut once done leave to sit in the fridge for an hour or so before eating takes like 10-15mins to make and they taste good
    That actually does sound pretty awesome.

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    I made em before... take some crushed almonds r peanuts and roll the balls in it.. that much better

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonAP View Post
    Squats are the shit
    Squats are fucking epic. I started about 3-4 weeks ago doing them, I fucking love em, I used to hate them but now their brilliant.
    Jada if you read this, I know what you mean about guys acting strong in the gym now, putting a shit tonne of weight on the bar and squatting 10cm. I just lol at them... Fuckers aren't gonna get anywhere doing that.

    Progress update - seems that some exersizes I've gained considerable strength/stamina and others I havnt gained anything. Pumps are awesome, I'm getting bicep pumps when doing the most basic of tasks... My pecs feel pretty big to grab but I can't really see any difference in the mirror, biceps feel really solid even when not tensed.

    Sleeps been suffering a bit lately, I'm not sure if the test or what, but I've been having bad insomnia and waking up after 2 hours of falling asleep. I've always had sleep problems, though theyv been worse lately.

    Been kinda paranoid about my nipples lately, everything that happens to them or any time they are a bit itchy, gyno alarms go off in my head, then I forget about it and it disapeers...

    Weight is up around 7lb now to 186. I'm hoping to break 195 minimum by the end of the cycle, if I get 200 I will be very pleased. Need to bulk up my diet and figure a way to get calories in at work...

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    Snoot great job my friend doing great keep it up. Just make sure ur takin ur Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and keep eating

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    I'm having trouble with my diet mate because of work... Can't get the calories in during the long shifts I'm trying to find a solution to it fs lol...
    I havnt been running an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) though. I've ldex on hand so if I get into any trouble I'm gonna start ldex right away 1mg ed, with 40mg nolva for 5 days until the problem goes away then keep running the ldex .25 ed until the cycles over

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    180g of protein is way too low dude. i'm your weight and I am for 300g

    if work messes with your meal timing you better eat a shitload before and after work to hit your macros

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    Snoot listen try ur best before u go to bed make all ur food for the next day and bag that shut up, now if u r havin Trouble cuz of the time in ur job at least take a quick shake and a spoon of peanutbutter . It's better than nothin.

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    Snoot thats why i was saying u can packet them and pocket them easy

    Diet is super important with the gym course you alrdy know that. by having 1 meal within 8 hours u basically slow your metabolism down a crazy amount reducing activity level by around 45%, u can enter a state of gluconeogenesis where your body will look to other macronutrients for energy ie protein (amino acids), and you increase lipoprotein lipase production which is an enzyme that basically looks for fat and takes all it can get :P so in turn u will lose muscle and gain fat basically.

    defs get the protein balls cranking man, go to the toilet shove one in your gob and u will smash it down in seconds (not all that hygienic but meh) u will be adding 2 meals to your day basically.

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    Thanks for the advice everyone, I'm gonna go and get some of them protein balls or make them myself anyway beatz, thanks for that advice.

    anyway another update, a lot of people have been telling me I look bigger. Like yesterday about 6 people said I'm looking bigger and 1 asked if I was on steroids. I can't see much myself though.
    Ill have to get pics up soon

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    Quote Originally Posted by snoot View Post
    Did my 4th pin today, injected into left quad and hit a nerve, reinjected and all went smoothly.
    Friend comments that I already look a bit bigger though I havnt noticed anything myself. Weight has went up around 2lb though this would probably be either my increase in food intake or from starting creatine supplementation
    How can you tell when you hit a nerve?

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    If you hit a nerve you will know right away, its basically a really intense pressure pain. If you pin slowly ie break the skin and push the pin in slowly you can actually feel yourself getting closer and closer to nerves before you actually hit it, the pain/discomfort builds up slowly

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    Finally seeing some serious progress, starting weight was 179 and that didn't budge til week 5 or so, now I've started gaining proper weight I've gained about 5lb in the past week and I'm currently at 189.5. I got 7 weeks left of this cycle or so so I hope to hit 205+ and keep at least 195. 200 would be amazing to keep.

    I've been stuck on the same bench press weight for weeks now, the juice hasn't made a difference, my max has went up about 7lb but I can't get 1 extra rep out of 100kg, what the fucks going on here?

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    I am week 8 on my first cycle and my weight jumped up a fair bit initially I usually start with incline and that went up 10kg or so, although since that it has gone up around 5kg on incline, weight isn't everything though so don't sweat it, controlled movement attaining stretch and contraction is the way to maximise muscle hypertrophy eh... I love the kai greene quote "I'll never be a weightlifter" so true..

    up 10lb isnt bad although u cld have easily doubled that with a good diet, i understand its hard given ur circumstance with work and only 1 break

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