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    my 1st, 2nd and upcoming 3rd cycle
    1st cycle was a short cutting cycle:
    1 - 6 75mg tren/100mg prop eod
    1 - 6 50mg Winstrol (winny) ed
    1 - 6 2 to 3g of ALA

    did HIIT cardio 3 - 4x wk
    did HST workout
    did low carb and cycled carbs down through the week

    hated the joint pain i had in my hands and knees with winny.

    gained 13lbs and was visibly leaner.

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    cycle #2
    my 2nd cycle is finishing up shortly and is a bulker

    1 - 7 50mg dbol + 1 day to use all 50 of them
    1 - 2 400mg prop
    1 - 10 500mg test eth
    1 - 10 400mg deca
    11 - 13 400mg prop

    i ate mostly low GI carbs expcept post workout.

    i had food poisoning that set me back a little around x-mas time but i was able to get back on track within a week. i may have over compensated in the eating dept. to make up for the food poisoning that cost me ~7lbs. i feel like a fat guy right now.

    right now i am at 212 and i started at about ~190. i am (obviously) visibly bigger and stronger. but not the same type of strength gains as with fina.

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    proposed 3rd cycle
    1 - 10 500mg test enanthate / 400mg eq
    11 - 20 75mg tren / 75mg prop / 100mg eq 5x/wk + some suspension.
    11 - 20 30 - 45mg OT

    incombination with HIIT cardio and HST workout and cycling carbs.

    i will most likely use some t3 and clen for the last 30 days as well.

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    30-45mg of OT??

    Also, make sure you hit 500ius of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) every Sat and Sun throughout. This will prevent any testicular artophy from setting in!

    Also, I dont see it, but the clomid it post cycle, I'm assuming.

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    i know i should have included post cycle but i did not.

    yes clomid will be used post cycle. nolvadex on hand as well. these are always constants.

    the OT = oral turnibol

    Substance: chlordehydromethyltestosterone

    Trade Names:

    Oral-Turinabol (o.c.) I mg tab.; Jenapharm G
    Oral-Turinabol (o.c.) 5 mg tab.; Jenapharm G

    Oral-Turinabol is an oral steroid which was developed during the early 1960's.

    OT has a predominantly anabolic effect which is combined with a relatively low androgenic component. On a scale of 1 to 100 the androgenic effect is very low -only a 6- and the anabolic effect is 53. (In comparison: the androgenic effect of Dianabol is 45 and its anabolic effect is 90.) Oral-Turinabol thus has milligram for milli-gram a lower effect than Dianabol. It is therefore not a steroid that causes a rapid gain in strength, weight, and muscle mass. Rather, the achievable results manifest themselves in a solid muscle gain and, if taken over several weeks, also in a good strength gain. The athlete will certainly not get a puffy look as is the case with Test-osterone, Dianabol, and Anadrol 50. The maximum blood concen-tration of Oral-Turinabol when taking 10, 20 or 40 mg/day is 1.5 -3.5 or 4.5 times the endogenous testosterone concentration (also see Dianabol). This clearly shows that the effectiveness of this compound strongly depends on the dosage.

    0.4 x pound (body weight) x days = number of tablets to take overall during the interval of intake
    mg / tablet


    An athlete weighing 200 pounds would take only 4 tablets of 5 mg (20mg/day.) In our experience bodybuilders take 8-10 tablets of 5 mg, that is 40-50 mg/day. Many enthusiastically report good results with this dosage: one builds a solid muscle mass, the strength gain is worthwhile seeing, the water retention is very low, and the estrogen-caused side effects are rare. Not without good reason OT is also popular among powerlifters and weightlifters who appreciate these characteristics.

    Due to its characteristics OT is also a suitable steroid both for men and women in competitions. A usually very effective stack for male bodybuilders consists of 50 mg OT/day, 228 mg Parabolan/week, and 150 mg Winstrol Depot/week. Those who have brought their body fat content to a low level by dieting and/or by using fatburning substances (e.g. Clenbuterol, Ephedrine, Salbutamol, Cytomel, Triacana), will find that the above steroid combination will manifest itself in hard, sharply-defined but still dense and full muscles. No enlarged breasts, no estrogen surplus, and no watery, puffy-look-ing muscle system. If OT were available on the U.S. black market for steroids, bodybuilders, powerlifters, and weightlifters would go crazy for this East German anabolic.

    OT enjoys a great popularity since it is quickly broken down by the body and the metabolites are excreted relatively quickly through the urine. The often-posed question regarding how many days before a test OT can be taken in order to be "clean" is difficult to answer specifically or in general. We know from a reli-able source that athletes who only take OT as a steroid and who, in part, take dosages of 10- 15 tablets/day, have discontinued the com-pound exactly five days before a doping test and tested negative. These indications are supported by the fact that even positive urine analyses have rarely mentioned the names Oral-Turinabol or chlordehydromethyl-testosterone.

    The potential side effects of OT usually depend on the dosage level and are gender-specific. in women, depending on their predisposi-tion, the usual virilization symptoms occur and increase when dos-ages of more than 20 mg per day are taken over a prolonged time. In men the already discussed reduced testosterone production can rarely be avoided. Gynecomastia occurs rarely with OT Since the response of the water and electrolyte household is not overly dis-tinct athletes only rarely report water retention and high blood pressure. Acne, gastrointestinal pain, and uncontrolled aggressive behavior are also the exception rather than the rule with OT An increased libido is reported in most cases by both sexes. Since the substance chlordehydromethyltestosterone is I 7-alpha alkylated the manufacturer in its package insert recommends that the liver func-tion be checked regularly since it can be negatively affected by high dosages and the risk of possible liver damage cannot be excluded. Thus OT is also a steroid that can be taken without interruption for long intervals. Studies of male athletes who over a period of six weeks were given 10 mg OT/day did not show any indications of health-threatening effects.

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    i have not used Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) before but i am meeting with a friend in the next week or so to discuss its use as he has used it for years.

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    Originally posted by ncsports
    i have not used Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) before but i am meeting with a friend in the next week or so to discuss its use as he has used it for years.

    Wow...Oral Turn. I havent heard that one in years!

    Check your PM!!

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    LS: run a search on Elite......The stuff (OT) surfaced again about 8 momnths ago. To my knowledge, there were only 2 makers of this stuff. IP and the guy recdently got busted

    All the reports I read stated that users felt it was very similar to Anavar (var) except it kicked in a lot sooner . that's about it.

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    Originally posted by DRveejay11
    LS: run a search on Elite......The stuff (OT) surfaced again about 8 momnths ago. To my knowledge, there were only 2 makers of this stuff. IP and the guy recdently got busted

    All the reports I read stated that users felt it was very similar to Anavar (var) except it kicked in a lot sooner . that's about it.
    exactly - there is only 1 place i currently know of to get it. i have been searching for it in powdered form to no avail, yet.

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    Keep me posted on the results!

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    very old thread but, I'm very interested in OT... so bump

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    Re: cycle #2
    Originally posted by ncsports
    my 2nd cycle is finishing up shortly and is a bulker

    1 - 7 50mg dbol + 1 day to use all 50 of them
    1 - 2 400mg prop
    1 - 10 500mg test eth
    1 - 10 400mg deca
    11 - 13 400mg prop

    i ate mostly low GI carbs expcept post workout.

    i had food poisoning that set me back a little around x-mas time but i was able to get back on track within a week. i may have over compensated in the eating dept. to make up for the food poisoning that cost me ~7lbs. i feel like a fat guy right now.

    right now i am at 212 and i started at about ~190. i am (obviously) visibly bigger and stronger. but not the same type of strength gains as with fina.
    damn that dbol looks like way overkill... i know its an old thread but just to anyone who is researching on a second cycle...7 weeks of 50mg is not needed... im doing 40mg for 4 weeks and thats a little high.... and if your already jumpstarting with the dbol, no need for the prop...pick one...and use 50 dbol?? is that what was meant? that would be rediculous....i hope im wrong about this...

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