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Old 04-06-2008, 04:44 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I have waited patiently. Tomorrow is my first shot of 400 mg of watson testosterone cypionate. I will be doing 400 mg EW for 10 weeks. I have arimidex and nolvadex on hand (the a-dex starting at day 1, nolvadex at signs of gyno). For PCT I will be running HCG at 250 IU 2x/wk starting at first signs of testicular atrophy, and will also be using nolvadex and clomid two weeks after my last shot of test.

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Test Cyp: 400 mg/wk Weeks 1-10
Arimidex: .5 mg eod Weeks 1-15

HCG (Pregnyl): 250 IU 2x/wk Weeks 4-12
Clomid: 100 mg days 1-11, 50 mg days 12-21 Weeks 13-15
Nolvadex: 20 mg/day Weeks 13-15


I may also throw in Anavar the last 6 weeks, depending on how it goes...
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Old 04-06-2008, 10:47 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Thats a good cycle for the first time. But I wouldnt run Anavar at the first time..but go for it its your Body.
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Old 04-07-2008, 12:27 AM   #3 (permalink)
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did the first injection today. 25 gauge is soo easy. also the watson was great. i shot my friend too with test from a UG lab and it was much harder to load.

anyway so far so good. i will keep everyone posted

as far as the anavar xtreme, i don't know if I'm going to use it but i dont see much of a problem using var with its very few sides in a first cycle. but that is only if everything is going good with the test, so we'll see.
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Ok. Keep your Carbs low! Everything else eat like a Horse every 2 hours!!! Myself..I do it every Hour...Small meal.
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First lift today. Ate a clean hearty breakfast and did legs.

Felt good.

Almost forgot my stats. lol.

Height: 5'9"
Weight: 185 lbs
BF%: 14% (just tested in a hydrostatic chamber)
Years Lifting: 7
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watson. HRT/TRT U.S. Pharm grade test. Generic for Up-John.
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Old 04-10-2008, 03:18 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Day 4

Weighed in at 188 lbs. thats 3 pounds so far. I'm guessing water weight huh? i'm taking .5 mg arimidex eod... maybe i should step up to 1 mg eod?

other than that, feeling strong. great pumps.
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why did u choose to run both nolva and clomid as PCT? i read in the stickies nolva is much effective than clomid and has the same action on HTPA?
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why did u choose to run both nolva and clomid as PCT? i read in the stickies nolva is much effective than clomid and has the same action on HTPA?
Clomid has a much more pronounced effect on the hpta than nolvadex does.
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Nolva vs. Clomid for PCT

they say the opposite here.. and i saw clomid can lead to vision troubles.. wouldnt nolva alone be a safer and as effective choice?? im a bit lost about that clomid vs nolva for PCT
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Old 04-13-2008, 03:30 PM   #12 (permalink)
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they say the opposite here.. and i saw clomid can lead to vision troubles.. wouldnt nolva alone be a safer and as effective choice?? im a bit lost about that clomid vs nolva for PCT
that's one persons opinion (not a scientific study). For every one of those you find you will find another 20 saying clomid is much better at restoring the hpta. Many still prefer nolvadex over clomid because of possible sides like depression. However, the only reason clomid is still used is because its pct results outweigh the sides in many peoples opinions. Do more research than only that article.

Lastly I apprieciate the comments, but I do not want my cycle thread to turn into a debate on clomid vs nolva. Thank you
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yeah sure, just wanted ur opinion on the subject because im also about to start my 1st cycle and was interested to have ur motivations for doing both clomid/nolva
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second injection went fine.

so far i have felt the pumps a little bit. my muscles feel fuller and tighter in general. can wait for the size and strength gains to really kick!!!
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Old 04-15-2008, 08:23 AM   #15 (permalink)
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alot of what you ar feeing is mental right now...but thats ok! It as for the Adex I would not bump it up at all, you probably dont even need it with such a low dose. You want some bloat to help with strength gains...a lil estrogen helps! Also, my first cycle I ran var at the end and I still dont know when the test kicked in or was if it was the var giving me the pumps? I would hold off on the var until the 2nd cycle so you can get a good feel for what the test does all 12 weeks it is in your body. Just my opinion but looking back I wish I would have done test only for first cycle! Now for mr my 2nd I am trapped do I take the anavar because I had such great results or was it the var that even gave me the results? I will never know and it pisses me off, haha! go test only!
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Old 04-15-2008, 03:24 PM   #16 (permalink)
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good advice man. and thats definatly why I am hesitant. I just thought that the test would kick at week 4 so i would have 2 weeks to feel what the test was alone. but, this being my first go, I'm not sure when you really notice it
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Old 04-17-2008, 08:20 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Felt great today. lifted heavy.

I weighed in today at 191 lbs.

i worked back and had a great pump.
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Old 04-27-2008, 02:03 AM   #18 (permalink)
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hey guys. sorry for not updating more. you might have seen my post in the main room about test flu. well i definatly came down with something. i had a horrible fever, achy muscles, etc. it has been a week since then and had no such symptoms like that besides that 24 hrs. however i do still have a cough.??

anyways my weight right now is 195 and i am doing my 4th shot tomrrow (week 4). so im up 10 lbs so far. i think thats good. hoping that it kicks this week tho. i cant wait to really FEEL it.

besides that i have had some great pumps, and have some strength gains (probably from the water weight). i will try to keep closer tabs on how im doing now that whatever i had has passed.
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Old 04-27-2008, 03:43 AM   #19 (permalink)
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hey man, cycle's lookin good...how is the var treatin ya? I'm either thinkin of runnin that same cycle..but Test E 400 mg. Question is, do you shoot every 4 days? TIA
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hey man, cycle's lookin good...how is the var treatin ya? I'm either thinkin of runnin that same cycle..but Test E 400 mg. Question is, do you shoot every 4 days? TIA
no, im shooting 400 mg once a week. simply for convenience, and being this my first cycle i was a little needle shy.

i havent used any var yet. if i use it it will be the last 6 weeks. i wanted to see how i reacted to the test as a solo compound.
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Old 05-22-2008, 06:50 PM   #21 (permalink)
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