Tbol Cycle - 2nd Cycle

[Lucky13]

Tbol Cycle - 2nd Cycle

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This is the first time I've tried Tbol... to get ready for this cycle I have been running a Clen cycle for the last month to cut back on BF, I've gone from 207 to 196, I feel I have lost a little muscle perhaps a 70%fat-30muscle if I had to put a figure on it. I feel very flat but my shape seems much better!

Starting weight 196lbs
Current weight 196lbs
Total Gains/Loss so far + 0 lbs
BF% 10%
Height 5ft 11"
Previous Cycles 1 ( Var at 20mg ED )

Suppliments:

- Tbol @ 20mg ED ( 10mg AM 10mg PM ) ( 6-8 Weeks )

Vitamin Suppliments:

- Vitamin C @ 1000mg ED
- Vitamin E @ 300mg ED
- Cod Liver Oil @ 2000mg ED
- Garlic Tabs @ 1200mg ED ( Good for the heart and BP but fucking disgusting )
- MSM @ 1600mg ED ( Good for joints and hair growth )
- Glucosamine Sulphate @ 500mg ED ( Good for joints )
- Milk Thistle @ 200mg 2xED ( Looks after the liver sides from Tbol )
- Peppermint Oil @ 150mg 2xED ( helps digestion of Tbol )

Anti Hairloss Suppliments:

- Proscar ( Propecia ) @ 1.25mg ED ( GSK $40 for 30x5mg Pills )
- Dutiseride @ .5mg ED ( Dr Reddys $120 for 180x.5mg pills )
- Nizoral Shampoo @ Wash&Go 2xED
- Spironolactone @ 1200mg mixed into Nizoral Shampoo 2xED
- Topical Scalp Cream 5% Spironolactone + 1% Finasteride 2xED

Diet:

Diet is very clean, 6-8 meals a day with 250g protein and 3500cals


Training:

Mon - Arms/Chest @ 1hr
Tues - Cardio @ 30mins
Wed - Shoulders/Back @1hr
Thur - Legs/Cardio @45/15mins split
Fri - Rest
Sat - Loop to Mon and repeat

This may look like I'm over training but I always get results this way, I get my rest on the 30min cardio days.

Personal Note:
This was supposed to be a EQ and Test HRT cycle, I've been reading up on Tbol with interest and really want to see how it compares with Var, there seems to be quite a few other interested people on this forum and since I have only ever run Var before it's gives me an huge advantage in reviewing this subtance....I'll be honest my main reason for running this cycle is for research purposes and I love the profile for Tbol, good hardening, vascularity and better bulking then Var but without the painfull pumps.

I have before pictures and will take after pictures I will post these once the cycle is over.

Additional Notes:
20mg ED may seem low but as I said I want to directly compare Var to Tbol and many reports say it is identical in dosage to Var, since I only ran my previous Var cycle at 20mg ED it only seems fair to use the same dosage, if things arn't progressing I may up the dosage until I feel it directly compares.

I am looking for lean gains only... so will have a very strict diet.

[Lucky13]

First day training after starting Tbol ( 1.5days ), pre-workout meal was a little messed up as I was delayed 2hours after getting ready to leave, surprisingly my workout didn't suffer and I felt very strong...no real hardening effect so far but who knows what I should expect at such a low dosage...I have been dieting heavily and still feel very flat so maybe this isn't helping.

It's also damn nice to be off Clen, the stuff is amazing and definately helped me shed BF but the sides are pretty bad.

Sex drive definately seems up, whacked off twice today and sorted my girl out two times, so she seems to approve of Tbol.

[DADAWG]

good luck bro . 20 mg seems awful low for a cycle though .

[MENTZER]

Dadawg is right. 20 mg isnt enuff, I would bump it to 50 a day.

[Lucky13]

Originally Posted by DADAWG

good luck bro . 20 mg seems awful low for a cycle though .

Thx dadawg, agreed 20mg is pathetic but I really want to see how the two compare, this seems like the only fair way to do it. As I said if things look slow then I'll up the dose.

...slowly but surely and zero injurys is the way I want to get there.....I'm in no hurry as I've seen to many people out of action due to injurys or health issues.

[ManOfMuscle]

Why not just throw in 250 mg test to give the cycle some backbone?

[Skarhead1]

No offense ive called you a newbie before and this confirms it... 20mg of tbol a day?????? for 6 weeks? you'll gain 10 oz of muscle if you're lucky

[outlawtas2]

Actually I believe on his last cycle he gained 10lbs on just 20mg Var ED. If you can gain using very low doses then more power to you. Good luck buddy.

I'm looking forward to reading this, as not a lot of people have experience or a detailed log of Tbol.

[Lucky13]

Originally Posted by outlawtas2

Actually I believe on his last cycle he gained 10lbs on just 20mg Var ED. If you can gain using very low doses then more power to you. Good luck buddy.

I'm looking forward to reading this, as not a lot of people have experience or a detailed log of Tbol.

Thx Outlaw this is one of the main reasons I'm running this log, I've never seen anything conclusive on Tbol, I love Tbol's profile kind of a Var/Dbol I have to find out once and for all if this is correct!.... and I know there are other guys on this forum that are as confused as I am so hopefully everyone will benefit.

Sure I could throw some Test in I have 10g's just sitting here, I have 20g's of EQ, 10g's of Dbol but that's not the way I want to get there, I want minimal sides maximin gains.....so what if I get there a little slower then another guy who runs 1g EW of Test..In the end I hopefully have a heart that doesn't need a bypass and a head of hair into my old age..

[ManOfMuscle]

I hear you about wanting to start slow, that is a good way to do things. I'm not suggesting you throw in 1g of test just 2-300 per week.

[Lucky13]

Originally Posted by LiftTillIDie

I hear you about wanting to start slow, that is a good way to do things. I'm not suggesting you throw in 1g of test just 2-300 per week.

I completly agree with you Lift but that isn't a fair test, when I ran Var I ran it alone, if I threw some Test in even an HRT dose or 250mg EW as u suggest it woudn't be a fair test. I need to see how Tbol performs on it's own....

[outlawtas2]

Originally Posted by Answer

shoulda posted pre cycle pics

He said he has them

[biggest loser fat loss]

Originally Posted by outlawtas2

He said he has them

So then lets see em. Also why the "test" between the two compounds? This is a good way to pussy out from using Test IMO. Oral only cycles are a thing of the past, for a reason. The gains are'nt going to be solid and will disappear
soon after you stop taking the oral. They are mainly used to "jumpstart" a cycle while waiting for long esters to build up. Or to wrap up a cycle while long esters are clearing your system. You have alot to learn, but think you know it all. The weight gained from these cycles will be purely water. Good Luck and smarten up

[ManOfMuscle]

Originally Posted by Lucky13

I completly agree with you Lift but that isn't a fair test, when I ran Var I ran it alone, if I threw some Test in even an HRT dose or 250mg EW as u suggest it woudn't be a fair test. I need to see how Tbol performs on it's own....

If you were to use test you would get used to it for a while and then once you feel you assessed tolerance throw in tbol towards the end.

[Lucky13]

Originally Posted by mw101

So then lets see em. Also why the "test" between the two compounds? This is a good way to pussy out from using Test IMO. Oral only cycles are a thing of the past, for a reason. The gains are'nt going to be solid and will disappear
soon after you stop taking the oral. They are mainly used to "jumpstart" a cycle while waiting for long esters to build up. Or to wrap up a cycle while long esters are clearing your system. You have alot to learn, but think you know it all. The weight gained from these cycles will be purely water. Good Luck and smarten up

Go get it Fido!

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