03-29-2007, 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by LiftTillIDie
You have to understand I'm not trying to make fun of you here. I'm just baffled by the side effects you get from such a low dose of steroids. Both the breadth of sides you experience and the severity relative to dosage just seems insane.
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Lol I'd have to agree with you, but what do you want me to do..lie or hide the truth ? These are the symtoms all I'm doing is logging it, sure I type this shit up and know you guys are gonna shake your head and laugh at the dosage, fuck I wish I didn't have to type it but a logs a log and that's what it's here for....
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03-29-2007, 10:42 AM
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20mg does seem like an awfully low dose. Anyways, good luck with it.
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03-29-2007, 10:47 AM
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20mg does seem like an awfully low dose. Anyways, good luck with it.
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I was about to say the same but refrained. I just don't see the point of being "on" unless you are on a moderate dose worthy of results. I'm not going to shut my body down for nothing, I want some freaking results.
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03-29-2007, 08:12 PM
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Day 7
Was worried as diet was off today got stuck in a 5hr traffic jam so unable to eat my normal food, ended up in a motoway garage picking the chicken out of some vomit salad mix and eating my protein powder out of the boot of my car with a spoon....still hit the gym eager then ever and still had a great workout, definately feel stronger and looking bigger and I had no probs lifting my normal weights...roll on next session 
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03-29-2007, 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by LiftTillIDie
You have to understand I'm not trying to make fun of you here. I'm just baffled by the side effects you get from such a low dose of steroids. Both the breadth of sides you experience and the severity relative to dosage just seems insane.
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You nailed this one on the head for sure lift. This kid has no business taking ANY kind of steroid with his severe anxiety/mental issues. And I say this with all sincerity. Every post just gets more and more comical. Lucky you should just quit while your ahead, having not done any damage to your frail little body and work out naturally. This sounds like the best course of action here.
You seem to have underlying health issues that dont warrant the added stress of steroids. Especially orals, due to their being 17 AA. Please dont take this the wrong way.
 
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03-29-2007, 11:54 PM
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You nailed this one on the head for sure lift. This kid has no business taking ANY kind of steroid with his severe anxiety/mental issues. And I say this with all sincerity. Every post just gets more and more comical. Lucky you should just quit while your ahead, having not done any damage to your frail little body and work out naturally. This sounds like the best course of action here.
You seem to have underlying health issues that dont warrant the added stress of steroids. Especially orals, due to their being 17 AA. Please dont take this the wrong way.
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Yeah, a large part of what he experiences must be mental. I can't see any other way to make sense of it.
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03-30-2007, 02:00 AM
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u have no sense thats why. loll. jerkoff ^^^^
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03-30-2007, 02:38 AM
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u have no sense thats why. loll. jerkoff ^^^^
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Brian we have all seen your myspace... who's the jerkoff?
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03-30-2007, 05:13 AM
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Brian we have all seen your myspace... who's the jerkoff?
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Have some respect for someone else's cycle log, go to the convo lounge. 
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03-30-2007, 07:36 AM
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Look can we just see what happens with this person's cycle - one thing with these orals is they will clear the system quick if need be. Also remember that all dosages are relative to the individual. It is reasonably common for many drugs to have a 100 to 300% range in milligram dosing to find optimal dosage at the least milligram per dose (if you can great results from 10mg of a Cox 2 inhibitor anti-inflam.- you dont take 20mg because others take 20mg). Let it be.
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03-30-2007, 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by LiftTillIDie
Yeah, a large part of what he experiences must be mental. I can't see any other way to make sense of it.
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Maybe my dose isn't to low but other peoples are to high ?....it's not like I could imagine my voice deeper...anyway as with any cycle it's down to gains and strength increases...this doesn't lie..see you in 8-10weeks 
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03-30-2007, 02:50 PM
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Ok, I found your thread...How would I post my other one under cycles (the one I started)
People are jumpin on you here, but it's all in a good way...You gotta expect to hear everyone's opinion, but you'd be foolish to follow EVERYONE...Do the research and go from there or you'll be all over the place...
LifttilIdie....I'm taking tbol as well, and in the beginning I felt nauseau from a small dose...I'm up to 50mg/day now, but was feelin sick at 30mg/day...As far as headaches, I would notice if I didnt drink enough water I would get a headache...those were the only bad sides with the tbol...
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03-30-2007, 04:59 PM
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Ok, I found your thread...How would I post my other one under cycles (the one I started)
People are jumpin on you here, but it's all in a good way...You gotta expect to hear everyone's opinion, but you'd be foolish to follow EVERYONE...Do the research and go from there or you'll be all over the place...
LifttilIdie....I'm taking tbol as well, and in the beginning I felt nauseau from a small dose...I'm up to 50mg/day now, but was feelin sick at 30mg/day...As far as headaches, I would notice if I didnt drink enough water I would get a headache...those were the only bad sides with the tbol...
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Kewl, at least I'm not imagining this shit...ask a MOD to move your thread...since moving up to 50mg have u noticed increased strength or gains ?
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03-30-2007, 05:15 PM
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Maybe my dose isn't to low but other peoples are to high ?....it's not like I could imagine my voice deeper...anyway as with any cycle it's down to gains and strength increases...this doesn't lie..see you in 8-10weeks |
That's funny because your voice deepening was one of the sides that made me think no way that's actually possible.
I'm not of the mindset that you MUST take a certain amount of any drug for it to work. I've heard a lot of people say that orals are typically dosed too high, and many get good results from 25mg/day of various compounds.
I have a feeling what may happen with this cycle is that you will hit some good gains until your natural test gets pretty suppressed and then things will grind to a halt. Kind of like what happened with var only.
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03-30-2007, 07:52 PM
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I definetly have more strength with 50mg a day...If you feel good with 20 stick with it...go up 10mg at a time....that's whta I did...I feel strong, but as far as gains I haven't seen anything lately...I gained a good 10lbs, and a lot of strength...I'm also taking the Tren which I think is great...
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03-30-2007, 07:59 PM
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That's funny because your voice deepening was one of the sides that made me think no way that's actually possible.
I'm not of the mindset that you MUST take a certain amount of any drug for it to work. I've heard a lot of people say that orals are typically dosed too high, and many get good results from 25mg/day of various compounds.
I have a feeling what may happen with this cycle is that you will hit some good gains until your natural test gets pretty suppressed and then things will grind to a halt. Kind of like what happened with var only.
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What do you do when this happens?? (supressed??)
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03-31-2007, 02:05 AM
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If your supressed, you "have" to inject test or start PCT
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03-31-2007, 08:21 AM
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You will generally know when ur surpressed as u will feel lathargic, cardio days seem tougher and sex drive may suffer ( although with Var mine didn't)
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03-31-2007, 05:39 PM
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Tbol Cycle - 2nd Cycle 03-30-2007 07:05 AM I shagging ur dog....right now uh! uh! uh! Definitely the type of comment I would expect from a high school kid like yourself.
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04-01-2007, 07:34 AM
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Tbol Cycle - 2nd Cycle 03-30-2007 07:05 AM I shagging ur dog....right now uh! uh! uh! Definitely the type of comment I would expect from a high school kid like yourself.
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Either contribute or get off this forum!!!
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04-01-2007, 08:19 AM
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Day 8
Was really eager to get in the gym but after hitting a few weights I could tell my joints were feeling really raw, I'm taking all the joint meds I can with cod liver oil, glucosamine, MSM so maybe it has something to do with the Tbol, I've heard steroids such as Var can increase collagen in joints (another good reason to stack certain steroids together) and others such as test can decrease collagen in joints...maybe Tbol is one of the latter but in all honesty to early to say..I'll keep monitoring..I lifted pretty light on all my excercises as I don't want to risk an injury this early...even then I felt a few nasty twinges...
After finishing my workout I assumed I would look pretty shit as I didn't feel pumped at all but on a trip to the sauna I caught a look in a mirror and holy crap this is the best I've ever looked, instead of getting pumps and just looking swollen and round I looked all cut up and the definition looked fantastic! Tbol so far is Var on steroids if that makes any sense, you get all the benifits of Var i.e the hardening affects, strength, no bloat but without the painfull pumps...and believe me the pumps from Var were crippling!
Sex drive is still up, most bad sides have completly disappeared...
Diet has been perfect and I'm a walking lunchbox with all my food in my rucksack if I'm away from home, my girlfriend thinks I'm nuts as each night I line up my midnight protein shake and a small chicken meal by the bed... 
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04-01-2007, 02:09 PM
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Diet has been perfect and I'm a walking lunchbox with all my food in my rucksack if I'm away from home, my girlfriend thinks I'm nuts as each night I line up my midnight protein shake and a small chicken meal by the bed... [/QUOTE]
Sounds like your pretty anal about your diet...Good for you tho...Not me...I eat good, but during this cycle I've lost my huge urge to eat good...I eat good, but ill definetly cheat...especially lately...
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04-01-2007, 04:17 PM
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Diet has been perfect and I'm a walking lunchbox with all my food in my rucksack if I'm away from home, my girlfriend thinks I'm nuts as each night I line up my midnight protein shake and a small chicken meal by the bed... |
Sounds like your pretty anal about your diet...Good for you tho...Not me...I eat good, but during this cycle I've lost my huge urge to eat good...I eat good, but ill definetly cheat...especially lately...[/QUOTE]
Yeah I really want this to be a clean bulk, any fat u gain ur always going to lose muscle when u finally have to cut.....shit there's no perfect solution tbolfist how have ur joints been feeling ?
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04-02-2007, 02:48 AM
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lucky next cycle i would use some low dose test. If your using oral fin or dut with your topical i doubt ull loose any hair. And if u do, u can just stop when u notice it.
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04-02-2007, 05:17 AM
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I will use Test, nothing worse then feeling shut down I felt like I was 90yrs old
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