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    Protien powder vs whole foods
    I read all over that whole foods are much better for getting your protien than powder based drinks. My question is why? Feel free to get as deep into it as you like, I'm all about the knowledge

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    Quote Originally Posted by Defiance View Post
    I read all over that whole foods are much better for getting your protien than powder based drinks. My question is why? Feel free to get as deep into it as you like, I'm all about the knowledge
    always remember NATURAL IS BETTER

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    Your body can digest whole foods better and more naturally. Protein powders could contain harmful chemicals that are foreign to your body. Whole food will provide you with more energy and better results. Use protein powder sparingly (When time is of the essence) and make sure it is of good quality.

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    So it comes down to bioavailability and what else might be in there in addition to the protien.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Defiance View Post
    So it comes down to bioavailability and what else might be in there in addition to the protien.
    Whey protein absorbs much faster than whole foods. It's great to utilize immediately post workout...aside from that I would never consume protein powder (unless your in a bind or strapped for time and you need the calories). Food is always better

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryand View Post
    Whey protein absorbs much faster than whole foods. It's great to utilize immediately post workout...aside from that I would never consume protein powder (unless your in a bind or strapped for time and you need the calories). Food is always better
    Agreed. Plus, I don't find that the powders satisfy my hunger. A clean, balanced diet will take longer to digest, but that'll make you feel full, give you energy, burn calories, and help keep your metabolism where you want it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BodybuilderX View Post
    Your body can digest whole foods better and more naturally. not truew it need ot be broken down, and a pure iso protein powder is much better absorbed, but faster, so its good to take it WITH food to slow it down if thats what you want Protein powders could contain harmful chemicals that are foreign to your body. Whole food will provide you with more energy and better results. Use protein powder sparingly (When time is of the essence) and make sure it is of good quality.

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    food can contain the same chemicals.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Defiance View Post
    I read all over that whole foods are much better for getting your protien than powder based drinks. My question is why? Feel free to get as deep into it as you like, I'm all about the knowledge

    WHY?
    Because people are stupid....
    ITíS FOOD!
    ITS FILTERED, PURIFIED FOOD!
    HIGHER IN AMINO ACIDS THEN MSOT WHOLE FOODS!!
    the ONLY thing I will agree on is if all you drink is protein powder drinks then they will pass through you faster and you MIGHT not absorb as much. But if you are eating a damn 2-3 meal a day or have a handful of nuts with your protein drink then even this issue is not there.
    I get 80% of my protein from drinks and have put on a good 40lb or so and lost about 15lb in fat over the last 5 years.
    So it drives me CRAZY when I see people post stuff saying protein drinks should be avoided, or whole food is better. Thatís not true!
    They differ sure, but I would hardly call them better.

    I donít eat meat or fish so (get it from whole foods) is doable but I prefer powder for 60-80% of my daily protein.
    Working well for me :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Defiance View Post
    I read all over that whole foods are much better for getting your protien than powder based drinks. My question is why? Feel free to get as deep into it as you like, I'm all about the knowledge
    THis is BS if your point is a post workout recovery. You have a 15 minute anabolic wino from the time you stop working out to get protei in your blood stream to replenish the glycogen store you just used. If done correctly you can replenish up to 86% of what you just burned. THe as in recovery and growth. It will also stop catabolic effect of a heavy workout. Because Whey protein is absorbed in the stomach and not in the intestine it is the nature choice to post workout meals.
    The term "sell out comes from progressives" It is propaganda to make your feel better about not having the opportunities they have taken away. I was raised to succeed. Opportunity is wealth of prosperity. Fight the power! .....LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by juced_porkchop View Post
    WHY?
    Because people are stupid....
    ITíS FOOD!
    ITS FILTERED, PURIFIED FOOD!
    HIGHER IN AMINO ACIDS THEN MSOT WHOLE FOODS!!
    the ONLY thing I will agree on is if all you drink is protein powder drinks then they will pass through you faster and you MIGHT not absorb as much. But if you are eating a damn 2-3 meal a day or have a handful of nuts with your protein drink then even this issue is not there.
    I get 80% of my protein from drinks and have put on a good 40lb or so and lost about 15lb in fat over the last 5 years.
    So it drives me CRAZY when I see people post stuff saying protein drinks should be avoided, or whole food is better. Thatís not true!
    They differ sure, but I would hardly call them better.

    I donít eat meat or fish so (get it from whole foods) is doable but I prefer powder for 60-80% of my daily protein.
    Working well for me :-)

    Glad you found something that works for you lol but this is def your opinion. I don't think I could find a single knowledgeable nutritionist that would advise this. I use it as a supplement in my diet...not a substitute.

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    Solid protein is harder to digest which is good....except post workout where whey would be a prudent choice so it absorbs quickly.

    But here's some food for thought. If you ate an 8 oz rib eye 45 minutes before you worked out and your workout was an hour...why in God's name would you need protein 15 minutes after said workout. Your body is still slowly digesting the rib eye.

    It seems to me that the supplement industry and some bodybuilders are perpetuating flat out myths. Carry on.

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    Because your body would not digest that steak for 18 hrs.
    The term "sell out comes from progressives" It is propaganda to make your feel better about not having the opportunities they have taken away. I was raised to succeed. Opportunity is wealth of prosperity. Fight the power! .....LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dread Pirate Roberts View Post
    Because your body would not digest that steak for 18 hrs.
    I've read five hours. You've read 18 hours. Let's assume you're right.

    Most of us are eating at least 4 small meals a day, sometimes 7 or 8 meals. If we derived all of our protein from whole protein (meat) it would not be vital to consume protein immediately after a workout. Chances are you have multiple "feedings" sitting in your digestive system 24 hours a day......using your claim of 18 hour digestion.

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    u should get the majority of ur cals from whole foods , WPI PWO

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    one shake a day guys.. post workout.. that's it..

    dont waste your time with anything else.. sure you could pound down 5 shake a day.. but your taking something away from yourself.. a quicker metabolism.. certain key macro and micro nutrients..
    80% Diet 15% Training 5% gear

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    How about 2 shakes a day? Whey protein shake post workout & Casein protein shake before bed?

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    An example of whole foods > MRP's. If we go back several hundred years or even further back to Ancient Greece. The larger men who worked out NATURALLY without using supplements or powders were in incredible shape. Therefore one could say that powders are great for convenience, however whole foods are still more productive.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Defiance View Post
    I read all over that whole foods are much better for getting your protien than powder based drinks. My question is why? Feel free to get as deep into it as you like, I'm all about the knowledge
    You need both. No way you can eat enough real food and get enough protein! Try eating 250 grams of protein from real food, you'll be eating 24/7. Get yourself a good whey isolate and try to get half your protein from real food, the other half from supps. Don't forget the BCAA's right after training and then the protein.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BodybuilderX View Post
    Your body can digest whole foods better and more naturally. Protein powders could contain harmful chemicals that are foreign to your body. Whole food will provide you with more energy and better results. Use protein powder sparingly (When time is of the essence) and make sure it is of good quality.

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    Most protein is fertilizer, but I've found a couple good ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmortimer21 View Post
    Solid protein is harder to digest which is good....except post workout where whey would be a prudent choice so it absorbs quickly.

    But here's some food for thought. If you ate an 8 oz rib eye 45 minutes before you worked out and your workout was an hour...why in God's name would you need protein 15 minutes after said workout. Your body is still slowly digesting the rib eye.

    It seems to me that the supplement industry and some bodybuilders are perpetuating flat out myths. Carry on.
    Rib eye =heart attack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mozzwigan View Post
    always remember NATURAL IS BETTER
    Whey is the byproduct of the cheese making process. It's natural but processed.

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    i eat 6 meals with chicken breast/day of 250g chicken breast/meal and 50-60g protein from whey.That's nearly 400g protein/day + the amount of protein i can get from carbs like brown rice,wholewheat pasta or potatoes and pennaut butter.Now im gonna do an experiment...im dropping the whey completly(not even postworkout) and eat 8meals/day of 220g chicken breast/meal.That's like around 410g protein/day just from chicken.Il keep you guys updated!PLUS iv read that u can stimulate hgh if you wait a lil bit after workout to eat...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mccloud View Post
    You need both. No way you can eat enough real food and get enough protein! Try eating 250 grams of protein from real food, you'll be eating 24/7. Get yourself a good whey isolate and try to get half your protein from real food, the other half from supps. Don't forget the BCAA's right after training and then the protein.
    I gotta call BS. I'm on a 3J diet with 330 grams of protein a day. 65 grams comes from shakes, the rest from whole food. I could EASILY eat WAY more than 250 grams a day. Especially, since I'm already eating over 250. And I'm a lightweight(~170lbs).

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmortimer21 View Post
    . . . If you ate an 8 oz rib eye 45 minutes before you worked out and your workout was an hour...
    . . . and you didn't throw up in the workout? You're not pushing hard enough.

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    I don't understand why people get so balled up about protein powder. Whey power is simply another form of food - a high protein form of food. Some people argue that there might be more (bad) stuff in there besides whey powder. Ever checked out what's in meat? All kinds of hormones, antibiotics, arsenic - nice stuff.

    For those looking for increased amounts of protein in their diet, it doesn't get much cheaper than whey powder. Dollar for dollar, it's the cheapest form of protein you can buy - less expensive than chicken, steak, pork or fish.

    It's just dogma and good old fashioned bro-science that says you should eat whole foods. As long as you are hitting your desired macros and getting enough vitamins and minerals from other foods, then you're good to go.

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