25 Weeks Cycle

[mikey_7777]

I will try this for 25 Weeks a mass cycle,you have any comments of this?(to make it more safe?)I am going to be 4 weeks on and 1 week off ,you thing that is better without a week off?. i will use milk thistle all the way.
Ingridiends:
Max 750mgSustanon,Max 80mg dianabol,Max 600mg deca,20iu slin,50mg T3

Week 1-4 on

Week 5 off

Week 6-9 on

Week 10 off

week 11-14 on

Week 15 off

Week 16-19 on

Week 20 off

Week 21-24 on

Week 25 off

[Bimmer]

why would you take weeks off? Your blood levels of the hormones will be all fucked up. JMO

[mikey_7777]

Bimmer,

When i take a week off i still kept making gains and it would also let me get rid of some of the excess water. Also the liver gets too efficient at breaking down the stuff after the three-week mark, and apparently all it takes is a week off to disrupt this efficiency pattern.

If i doing something wrong pls say it .I can handle anything you say as advice.

[Die$eL~Man]

you nees like 3 weeks off the SUS B4 all your water is gone !

[pullinbig]

why you takin t3? thats not for bulking. also a better 4 on 1 off is to have a coast week instead of off week. coast week is 500mg test. is the 80mg dbol daily or weekly?

here's a better bulking cycle that is guaranteed to work. 1g test/week. and 500mg tren per week. great strength gains and awesome build up of lean muscle. add arimidex at 1mg/d and water will not be a problem. add clo at 100mg/d 1 out of every thrtee weeks to keep the boys happy. and if you can swing it winny at 350mg/week. this is a great stack and when you come off you will keep most of your gains. unlike dbol which you loose almost everything and quickly. do this straight thru with no on off pattern.

good luck.

[mikey_7777]

pullinbig,
i thing you right i saw that now.
T3 is not only for cuttin is for bulking aslo and i am going to use it with slin.80mg D-bol is for daily on max dose

[pullinbig]

t3 will lean you out. its the same thing as an over active thyroid. that makes you loose weight. dbol is trash unless you are competeive lifter of some type. slin makes you store fat. but hey its your money so have at it. 2 months after you come off this stack you gonna loose about 80% or better of your gains. enjoy the ride mikey. and fasten you seat belt.

[DirkMoneyshot]

Wow......This is a very awful plan.

Everyone is right saying that 50 mcg of T3 will not be beneficial in bulking.

T3 can be used at VERY VERY Low dose (12.5 mcg) to put your thryoid in the high normal range which is ideal for protein synthesis.

Slin should not be used for 25 weeks. And 20 IU is a fairly high daily dose.

There is not one good reason to take off 1 week in your cycle.

Taking DBol all that time is potential very harmful.

Even though your gains are going to be Very Dependent on your food intake and constinatly upping it. Your most likely going to platuea around 12 - 16 weeks.

I won't say that i don't use Very long cycles but i do things differently.

[IrishMobBoss]

Dirk pretty much summed it up,dbol for that long will put you in some serious trouble especially at that dose

and since you cant even put together a basic cycle that works stay away from insulin because you will die,its that fucking simple,now get over to the anabolic board and read for the next year,and while your reading shove as much food in your body as possible and you will grow without AAS

Im in the middle of a 18week cycle but like Dirk said we do things much differently,hell this is my third cycle and 35mg a day of dbol is a high fucking dose for me

also if I sound like im being a prick I am,but you will thank me because you will not die if you listen to me and these other guys

[mikey_7777]

DirkMoneyshot and IrishMobBoss,
Thanks for the advice ppl .


DirkMoneyshot,
I won't say that i don't use Very long cycles but i do things differently.


Can you tell me what kind of a long cycle you do?So i can understan this better.

[thorsky]

Originally posted by pullinbig
t3 will lean you out. its the same thing as an over active thyroid. that makes you loose weight. dbol is trash unless you are competeive lifter of some type. slin makes you store fat. but hey its your money so have at it. 2 months after you come off this stack you gonna loose about 80% or better of your gains. enjoy the ride mikey. and fasten you seat belt.

Pullinbig, just curious why you say slin just makes you store fat? Do you mean slin makes you store fat if you not extremely careful about how and when you use it and what you eat? I have not used it yet but my research leads me to believe if you are strict enough with diet(perfect macro ratios), you can use slin to great advantages.

[pullinbig]

Insulin is a hormone, and therefore, a protein. Insulin is secreted by groups of cells within the pancreas called islet cells. The pancreas is an organ that sits behind the stomach and has many functions in addition to insulin production. The pancreas also produces digestive enzymes and other hormones. Carbohydrates (or sugars) are absorbed from the intestines into the bloodstream after a meal. Insulin is then secreted by the pancreas in response to this detected increase in blood sugar. Most cells of the body have insulin receptors which bind the insulin which is in the circulation. When a cell has insulin attached to its surface, the cell activates other receptors designed to absorb glucose (sugar) from the blood stream into the inside of the cell.

Without insulin, you can eat lots of food and actually be in a state of starvation since many of our cells cannot access the calories contained in the glucose very well without the action of insulin. This is why Type 1 diabetics who do not make insulin can become very ill without insulin shots. Insulin is a necessary hormone. Those who develop a deficiency of insulin must have it replaced via shots or pumps. More commonly, people will develop insulin resistance (Type 2 Diabetes) rather than a true deficiency of insulin. In this case, the levels of insulin in the blood are similar or even a little higher than in normal, non-diabetic individuals. However, many cells of Type 2 diabetics respond sluggishly to the insulin they make and therefore their cells cannot absorb the sugar molecules well. This leads to blood sugar levels which run higher than normal. Occasionally Type 2 diabetics will need insulin shots but most of the time other methods of treatment will work.

* It should be noted here that there are some tissues that do not require insulin for efficient uptake of glucose: important examples are brain and the liver. This is because these cells don't use GLUT4 for importing glucose, but rather, another transporter that is not insulin-dependent.

* Insulin stimulates the liver to store glucose in the form of glycogen. A large fraction of glucose absorbed from the small intestine is immediately taken up by hepatocytes, which convert it into the storage polymer glycogen.

Insulin has several effects in liver which stimulate glycogen synthesis. First, it activates the enzyme hexokinase, which phosphorylates glucose, trapping it within the cell. Coincidently, insulin acts to inhibit the activity of glucose-6-phosphatase. Insulin also activates several of the enzymes that are directly involved in glycogen synthesis, including phosphofructokinase and glycogen synthase. The net effect is clear: when the supply of glucose is abundant, insulin "tells" the liver to bank as much of it as possible for use later.

A well-known effect of insulin is to decrease the concentration of glucose in blood, which should make sense considering the mechanisms described above. Another important consideration is that, as blood glucose concentrations fall, insulin secretion ceases. In the absense of insulin, a bulk of the cells in the body become unable to take up glucose, and begin a switch to using alternative fuels like fatty acids for energy. Neurons, however, require a constant supply of glucose, which in the short term, is provided from glycogen reserves.

In the absense of insulin, glycogen synthesis in the liver ceases and enzymes responsible for breakdown of glycogen become active. Glycogen breakdown is stimulated not only by the absense of insulin but by the presence of glucagon, which is secreted when blood glucose levels fall below the normal range.
Insulin and Lipid Metabolism

The metabolic pathways for utilization of fats and carbohydrates are deeply and intricately intertwined. Considering insulin's profound effects on carbohydrate metabolism, it stands to reason that insulin also has important effects on lipid metabolism. Notable effects of insulin on lipid metabolism include the following:

* Insulin promotes synthesis of fatty acids in the liver. As discussed above, insulin is stimulatory to synthesis of glycogen in the liver. However, as glycogen accumulates to high levels (roughly 5% of liver mass), further synthesis is strongly suppressed.

When the liver is saturated with glycogen, any additional glucose taken up by hepatocytes is shunted into pathways leading to synthesis of fatty acids, which are exported from the liver as lipoproteins. The lipoproteins are ripped apart in the circulation, providing free fatty acids for use in other tissues, including adipocytes, which use them to synthesize triglyceride.

* Insulin inhibits breakdown of fat in adipose tissue by inhibiting the intracellular lipase that hydrolyzes triglycerides to release fatty acids.

Insulin facilitates entry of glucose into adipocytes, and within those cells, glucose can be used to synthesize glycerol. This glycerol, along with the fatty acids delivered from the liver, are used to synthesize triglyceride within the adipocyte. By these mechanisms, insulin is involved in further accumulation of triglyceride in fat cells.

From a whole body perspective, insulin has a fat-sparing effect. Not only does it drive most cells to preferentially oxidize carbohydrates instead of fatty acids for energy, insulin indirectly stimulates accumulation of fat is adipose tissue.
Other Notable Effects of Insulin

In addition to insulin's effect on entry of glucose into cells, it also stimulates the uptake of amino acids, again contributing to its overall anabolic effect. When insulin levels are low, as in the fasting state, the balance is pushed toward intracellular protein degradation.

Insulin also increases the permiability of many cells to potassium, magnesium and phosphate ions. The effect on potassium is clinically important. Insulin activates sodium-potassium ATPases in many cells, causing a flux of potassium into cells. Under certain circumstances, injection of insulin can kill patients because of its ability to acutely suppress plasma potassium concentrations.

[pullinbig]

now with all that said. i know a lot of guys using sln. they have all put on weight. when using slin only there are some mild/moderate strength gains.

yes if you eat with your macro nutrients in place you can use it with success. most folks dont do this though. but what i look at is the risk worth the reward. i am not a fan of thyroid meds either for the same reason. my wife has thyroid problems so I know first hand how devastating thyroid problems can be. my ex wife has a son by her second marriage with sever diabetes. i see tyhe struggles this young lad has, i dont want no part of that.

i do know that long cycles can be very sussessful without these meds. why do i know cause i been on about 2 years now other than a 5 week break one time. anti Es and clo work wonders. limiting heavy andros helps as well. mixing up hormones from time to time also helps.

one quick note on the dbol. everyone is not to prone to sides with it. i know guys been on them for well over a year with no elevated liver counts. besides even with liver values running high there are ways to get um back down without sessation of the drug. i am not a fan of dbol because of the yoyo that happens when administration is stopped.

hope by sharing my experience that some will decide to do a bit more research before venturing into something unknown. if you wanna do slin and t3 by all means have at it but just make sure you got you Is dotted and you Ts crossed first. test, tren, gh, winny are one thing but slin and thyroid meds are a differnt ball game

[pullinbig]

good luck guys and be safe.

[thorsky]

Excellent response! That's some great info there. Thanks.

[pullinbig]

no probleemo bub. stay safe and get strong. this is turnig into a good thread. hope to get some more responces.

[mikey_7777]

pullinbig,
I used b4 insulin and t3 and i know for a fact that this compination works well but i know also like you said is very dangerous if you dont kno how to use it.The time when i use insulin(may-june1998) i use it for 2 months and put 30lbs.The 10lbs it was fat.But i dont care about that because i gain good LBM.After this i take a break and do a cutting
cycle T3,clen,masteron,winstrol,suspension,diet and that left me with 4%bf at 90kilos.Since then after i win the contest as junior i stopt the anabolics cause of the death one of my friend here in cyprus cause of the drugs.This friend of mine he compete at Mr olimpian and he win the 14place (1997) .Is been 4 years to touch the iron bars.But 4 months ago i start again and in 15 days i begin a cycle.