03-09-2009, 03:33 PM
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Ronnie 8x Mr Olympia. How?
So anybody know how Ronnie Coleman became one of the biggest men to walk on a bodybuilding stage?
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03-09-2009, 06:08 PM
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LoL. Well Genetics foremost. Drive, Desire and Diet also. Combine that with enough juice for a small army and there you go. Not to mention he has trained all his life as a naturally Big SOB up until he even took juice. He's a Genetic Monster bro, so is Gunter.
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03-09-2009, 10:11 PM
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As far as genetics go, he is far from a guy like Flex Wheeler yet he is almost double to him. So its pretty stupid to credit his genetics only. The intensity that guy had can only be matched with the intensity of Dorian Yates who actually had pretty shitty genetics(search for hes pictures when he was young). What hey had in common is they both lifted high intensity heavy weigths unlike guys like Flex who trained high volume low intensity.
But what made him, round the clock dedication, intensity and ofcourse genetics.
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03-09-2009, 10:15 PM
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not sure
not sure how to post new thread here, is why i am peplying to this one. anyone tell me how?
sorry
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03-09-2009, 10:27 PM
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not sure how to post new thread here, is why i am peplying to this one. anyone tell me how?
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ROFL!
Just go to the forum section you want to post and click 创new thread创 and off you go.
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03-10-2009, 10:51 AM
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Yeah but how much gear can one individual be taking?
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03-10-2009, 05:05 PM
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Im pretty sure I have seen before some black guys who are really built who never been into a gym, even more built then some white men who have been lifting hard for years.
has anyone else seen this?
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03-10-2009, 08:02 PM
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Im pretty sure I have seen before some black guys who are really built who never been into a gym, even more built then some white men who have been lifting hard for years.
has anyone else seen this?
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LoL. Dude Black guys genetically have more muscle mass all across the board, hands down. Funny I just watched a clip from the Arnold Classic this yr. and there was like one white guy on stage. Look at pro sports that should sum up your ? for ya, lol. Well except Hockey. Once Black guys learn how to skate though look out, lol.
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03-10-2009, 08:07 PM
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Ever seen an Asian as big as any BBer like Gunter, Ronnie Arnold etc... would throw this out while im thinking of it too. It's funny you said that. Are best family friend is Black when he came over to are house for the first time my brother and I were working out. We took it pretty serious but were still hard gainers at the time and kinda young. Well Erin are black friend had never worked out and literally made a joke of us. He repped 225lbs 12x age 20 never touching a weight in his life. Needless to say we looked dumb.
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03-10-2009, 10:22 PM
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yes black guys have great genetics, but so do thai guys! Plus there so small the muscle really packs on, there not very strong tho.
Iwe seen some big big thai guys who compete, and they all have symmetry like Arnie.
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03-11-2009, 03:23 AM
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Funny I just watched a clip from the Arnold Classic this yr. and there was like one white guy on stage.
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It was like half and half... I was there lol
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03-11-2009, 10:16 AM
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 You people must be insane ''black guys have more muscle than white guys'' NOT true at al MARKUS RUHL
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03-11-2009, 12:32 PM
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You guys are so stuck on the black guys hve more genetics than whites. LOL! You are very very wrong. I live down south and I know tons and tons of white guys who are big, strong and dont lift!
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03-11-2009, 02:37 PM
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Alright were clearing this up. Im calling into that show here in the States The Doctors, lol. No seriously though. Every race is built different and has different strengths. It's only natural, it all derived from our heritage. I did find some interesting info. A lot of articles I just read state that African Americans have more fast-twitched muscle fibers which attributes to greater speeds and jumping capabilities. I think this can be easily supported. How?
Who was the last decent White NFL running back, NBA, Olympic Runners and jumpers, shit now were there. What sport is the white man not Dominated in. Ice Hockey simply because the blacks dont like to skate, oh and Bacamon or Cricket right. C mon think about this. Is it that the Caucasions dont have the drive, desire and dedication to thrive. Recent articles also state that African Americans naturally produce 3-19% more testosterone than any other race. But it's all horse crap right.
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03-11-2009, 02:48 PM
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Lol...... Guess yaw never been down south. Ive met some big farm fed white boys who claimed they never lifted a dumbel or barbell in their life. I must assume they must of pulled a plow literally for most of that time.
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03-11-2009, 02:54 PM
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I live in South Africa there are more black people here than you could even imagin. First of all black people can run long distenses beacause they are so small and light weight about 90% of them don't Have Calves and may i remind you who is considerd to be one of the best(if not the best)bodybuilders in the entire history of the sport?
Arnold
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03-11-2009, 03:09 PM
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You sure about that bro. Arnold huh. 6 2 253 at his peak. Big Ron 6 2 296 same BF%
YouTube - ronnie against arnold
Take a nice long look at legs. 3 of Arnies legs might equal one of Big-Rons. Besides Gunter Schlierkamp Big-Ron is untouchable. Arnie was a squirt compared to him. He looked so big because of his little waist. Personally Gunter my favorite was the most overlooked BBer in history. 6 2 305lbs 7% BF.
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03-11-2009, 03:29 PM
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alright were clearing this up. Im calling into that show here in the states the doctors, lol. No seriously though. Every race is built different and has different strengths. It's only natural, it all derived from our heritage. I did find some interesting info. A lot of articles i just read state that african americans have more fast-twitched muscle fibers which attributes to greater speeds and jumping capabilities. I think this can be easily supported. How?
Who was the last decent white nfl running back, nba, olympic runners and jumpers, shit now were there. What sport is the white man not dominated in. Ice hockey simply because the blacks dont like to skate, oh and bacamon or cricket right. C mon think about this. Is it that the caucasions dont have the drive, desire and dedication to thrive. Recent articles also state that african americans naturally produce 3-19% more testosterone than any other race. But it's all horse crap right.
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please direct me to the literature that supports this. Could be some interesting reading.
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03-11-2009, 03:37 PM
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How about Markus Ruhl? About 3 of Ronnie could fit in to him. The man is huge and if you haven't noticed he is fairly white. Besides it is not all about size ronnie could never have Arnold's definision or biceps.
I must say I too would rather look like Markus or Ronnie all i'm saying is that I don't think it has to do with your colour you get big white people and thin white pople ,but the same goes the other way you get big black people and you get thin black people at the end of the day it all comes down to how much effort you put in to be the best if you gave your best no matter the genetics you will 99% of the time come out on top ,sure genetics help a lot but that isn't everything. With the right amount of steroids,good training techniques and a solid protein diet you can come very far and hopefuly achive your goals and aspirations
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03-11-2009, 03:50 PM
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It's a lengthy read man. Basically the article is compiled from scientists, hundreds yrs. of Data. The run down basically attributes 40% success Black Atheletes to enviornmental factors, 45% to extra fast twitch muscle fibers. 15% still unclaimed. It's mostly on page 2 hit continue at bottom of the page. It's a good read if you got the time. It will help sum up why you have never seen a Mexican, European, Brazilian, Irish shit anyone other than African American run the ball in the NFL or compete in running in the Olympics for quite sometime.
The Story Behind the Amazing Success of Black Athletes, by Jon Entine
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03-11-2009, 04:03 PM
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How about Markus Ruhl? About 3 of Ronnie could fit in to him. The man is huge and if you haven't noticed he is fairly white. Besides it is not all about size ronnie could never have his definision or biceps.
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Markus and Gunter are German Bulls no doubt about it. 3 of Ronnie in Markus. Not sure how that would be considering no-one has weighed more on stage than Ron. Maybe Gunter but your right it's not about weight. I will say this Arnold was probably the most asthetically pleasing BBer ever to look at on stage than Gunter and Dave Draper behind them.
You gotta keep in mind that Ron has longer arms and legs and is taller which makes it more difficult to fill out like Markus. Markus cant be more than 5 9, i dunno though.
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03-11-2009, 05:02 PM
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Compare Cutler and Ronnie instead of Ronnie and Arnold!!!!!! That was years ago bro. Pro BBs are bigger now.
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03-12-2009, 09:41 AM
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Markus and Gunter are German Bulls no doubt about it. 3 of Ronnie in Markus. Not sure how that would be considering no-one has weighed more on stage than Ron. Maybe Gunter but your right it's not about weight. I will say this Arnold was probably the most asthetically pleasing BBer ever to look at on stage than Gunter and Dave Draper behind them.
You gotta keep in mind that Ron has longer arms and legs and is taller which makes it more difficult to fill out like Markus. Markus cant be more than 5 9, i dunno though.
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Ronnie is 180cm marjus 178cm 2 centimeters are not that much, I'm sure it would make a diferance. I would still like to know how much juice he was on. Anyone know
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03-21-2009, 11:53 AM
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LoL. Well Genetics foremost. Drive, Desire and Diet also. Combine that with enough juice for a small army and there you go. Not to mention he has trained all his life as a naturally Big SOB up until he even took juice. He's a Genetic Monster bro, so is Gunter.
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dont forget to throw in the fact that ronnie routinely does heavy powerlifting training , while his competitors are busy doing concentration/ isolation excercises.
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03-21-2009, 01:23 PM
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dont forget to throw in the fact that ronnie routinely does heavy powerlifting training , while his competitors are busy doing concentration/ isolation excercises.
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You are correct sir. I believe Dorian lifted Heavy too and he could have flown into the night with those Lats he had. Go Big or Go Home right, lol.
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