chinese raw materials safe??

[squats houses]

its just that i have a friend that buys the raw materials of these labs and makes up his own geer, eveybody i know that buy off this man gets good results, but i heard a roomer that there is some long term risks with the alot of the chinees raw materieals, i wouldn mind hearing a bith about this befor i decide to put them into my body
any opinions?

[Nitszo]

What would the long term risks with the Chinese? its the same shit they use to make gear pharmacy/UGL (its the same hormone).
Only difference is, more chance of infection because you make it yourself (which isn't as clean as pharmacy grade)

[PedestrianX]

Do all raws come from china, or is there any made in the states for legit pharms?

[brownchoclit]

i dont trust anything from china..chinese people in nature do not have good business practice ethics..they will do anything to make a quick buck. but whatcha gonna do..like nitszo said...everything comes from china nowadays..so hard to avoid!

[squats houses]

cheers for the reply, i dont know how much truth is in the rumours but i just heard sombody say that the raw materials from that part of the world have some harmfull metals in them ant it takes 30 years or so for your body to get rid of such metals??

theres probaly no truth atal in this but i just wanted to ask around befor i put them into my body, better safe than sorry

[corvettels3]

What would the long term risks with the Chinese? its the same shit they use to make gear pharmacy/UGL (its the same hormone).
Only difference is, more chance of infection because you make it yourself (which isn't as clean as pharmacy grade)

I would have to agree..

[spider7]

China is not reliable for product efficacy.

No laws regulating business in China.

Anything, and i mean anything goes in China. AS long as you got the bucks....they don't care. Some smuck will buy it...as long as its cheap.

[darkrid3r]

I have had lots of raws from china and no issues ever.

Raws are not easy to find.
If you find domestic there is a 90% chance that it came from china anyway.

[Animalized]

I have had lots of raws from china and no issues ever.

Raws are not easy to find.
If you find domestic there is a 90% chance that it came from china anyway.

^^ This, plus you can bet your ass that because now you're buying it domestic, the price is gonna double.

[hardpr]

most raws used by ugl labs are from china. period.

[darkrid3r]

^^ This, plus you can bet your ass that because now you're buying it domestic, the price is gonna double.

When the risk goes up, so does the price

[smadizm1]

I agree. It is still legal to manufacture and export these raws and no matter where you got it, probably came from china originally. I have had no probs in the past year with my brews.

[Zeek]

Yes there are domestic raw producers. None of us have to worry about that since there is no way for us to obtain them.

Back to raws from China. The real answer is that we do not know. The major problem with these chinese raws people get is that there is no return address on them. What I mean by this is we are not told where they are made and by who. I'm sure some chinese raw producers make a very clean and accurately dosed product. You can also be sure that some of them sell a dirty impure product. It's a roll of the dice

[Teutonic]

100 percent agree.

[crazyfmike]

This is low tech but melts tests and comparing filtration rates between powders and how much junk is left in the cup and just plain old "this shit is kicking I feel great" are something we pretty much have to rely on for short term answers.

USA powders.....Zeek nailed that one!

[spider7]

Wow....haven't made it to that step of brewing my own....but would like to try.

Now that i got the truth...guess i better get used to the idea of going Chinese.

Dayum...those Chinese are making everything these days!

Yes there are domestic raw producers. None of us have to worry about that since there is no way for us to obtain them.

Back to raws from China. The real answer is that we do not know. The major problem with these chinese raws people get is that there is no return address on them. What I mean by this is we are not told where they are made and by who. I'm sure some chinese raw producers make a very clean and accurately dosed product. You can also be sure that some of them sell a dirty impure product. It's a roll of the dice

[Georgia]

Overpopulation and NO LAWS and the need of money and sweatshops = CHA-CHING...lowest prices on EARTH. Literally.

[EliteMuscles]

Probably safer than floruide thats in your tap water, and aspartame in your diet drinks

[D3C3PTiC0N]

Can someone point me in the right direction as far as a reputable website for powder form gear? I've searched long and hard but I don't want to get ripped off and I don't know which site to trust. They all get mixed reviews that I've seen. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I am new here but not a novice to taking juice...just tired of paying so much for it.

[smadizm1]

I was in that spot about 2 years ago. (paying to much for gear). Im a newbie here but was a member to another site for about 2 years. Just read all you can, Im sure youll find what you need to know. Some of these guys will answer your question and im sure it will be the correct answer. As far as a SOURCE.....your on your own. Im sure you can put 2 and 2 together for that one.(google is great!) Got 10+brews under my belt now. Only 1 crashed(shame on you cyp) but was easily fixed. Good Luck!

[darkrid3r]

Carfull what you buy guys, do standard melt tests, and there are lots of guys here with lots of info to help you along.

Be safe!

[D3C3PTiC0N]

Yeah, I know finding the source is the hardest and most painstaking process. I mean, I've been on and off gear for like 10 years now and I've only met one person that reconstituted it himself years ago at which point it didn't click to ask him if he could hook me up with powder form. So now I'm back at square one...FML! I can get pre-mixed all day, but I'm tired of getting raped for street price. I don't want to get too specific about anything on here as I know it's frowned upon and I def don't want to get anyone into any trouble. But if anyone can help and wants to get in touch another way just let me know. Florida boy for life!

[darkrid3r]

Im with you on the street rape hehe, homebrew is 10x less sometimes even more....

There are lots of boards out there, just hang out, get to know some people and you will find what you need.
As for local in your area, thats going to even be tougher.

[D3C3PTiC0N]

Yeah, I know. I'll just have to be patient and hope someone can eventually help me out...or I can find something on my own. I don't care if it's local or not though. I love this forum! I'm really new here, but I've learned a lot so far on here. You will never know everything, haha!

[Zeek]

Do not google a source for raw powders!! Don't be so desperate that you either end up getting ripped off or some crappy product. Put the time in and get to know the brew crew we have here. These guys have a passion for brewing and once they get a feel for you and trust you they will point you in the right direction.