Sustanon and why you shouldnt use it by TIG

[massive]

I get the flu no matter what I take, its a bitch isnt it!

I have always been a believer in test en. Ive always had great results off it.
Just decided for a change onto sust, the same with deca havnt used it for nearly 4years now.

Cant wait to start, but ive got a good feeling bout this sust though. grow grow grow.......

My training buddies are fucking huge and guess what. yep they use sust

[thekhan]

I stack Sus and Enant.Always!
500 Sus/w
500 Ena/w

Try once!You will be junky.

[hoboforhire]

500mg sust eod will put on some meat

[thekhan]

I got great gains from Sustanon and Enenthate combo in 6 weeks;
500 Sus
500 Ent
Try it once please

[estray]

Originally Posted by massive

My training buddies are fucking huge and guess what. yep they use sust

Nobody said you wouldnt get big off it. Youre missing the point of this whole thread. Unstable blood plasma levels lead to higher occurrences of side effects amongst other things so Sust is just not the best choice out of esterfied tests.

[bwahahaha]

stable blood levels being necessary is a myth anyway, i don't see why people worry about it, aparrt from reducing SOME sides there's no advantage to stable blood levels

[vulcan]

Currently on 250mg sust X 2wk along with eq and var and I must say all is going very well. Test E gives me elevated bp, red puffy face and bloat. I'm sure the eq and var helps but...I vote for sust!

[alreadyinuse]

sust 250 is over-rated. i use test c or e. it cost me 4x less. plus i don't mind the extra time it takes to kick in.

[vulcan]

Originally Posted by trendkill

i do 2 shots a week and i get AMAZING results ff of sus, i am a believer of it...

Ditto!

[Trevdog]

I'm glad we don't have the full text of the original post here but I'm going to debunk it anyway.

Everybody who has been around a while has read the post where the authors explain why they think most of the test in sust somehow is wasted. Unfortunately it sounds like it makes great sense. However, no offense to the authors, it is completely wrong! Utter nonsense! Its sad that so many people have been mislead and confused by the faulty logic that went into it.

Just think about it folks. The authors, while they surely meant well, are working on a faulty premise. Somehow they got it in their heads that you can inject short esters of test into your body, and the body won't "get" the test attached to those esters. If someone can explain to me how that it possible, then the post is entirely valid and I will eat my own shit.

If you really think about it you'll have to agree. You simply can't inject testosterone and think that it won't work in your body, no matter what ester or combination of esters is attached to it.


Here's a quote from that post:

"Lets take each ester and see how long they will stay active in the body. 30mg of prop--Prop needs to be injected at least every other day to get the full benifits of the test. I think every third day is a little too long to wait, although some people may disagree. Now lets say you are doing a prop only cycle and injecting 30mg twice a week. You can see already that is a waste of gear. If you inject 30mg of prop twice a week you are totally wasting your time. You will NOT grow off of this, so you can basically take sus and knock it down to 220mg an amp if you are injecting once or twice a week."


You don't inject prop every third day or more often in order to "get the full benefits of the test" - you're going to get all the test whether you like it or not. However, it does make sense to shoot short esters frequently because it is a good idea to keep your blood levels of destrified test somewhat stable rather than having them roller coaster.

I agree that shooting 30 mgs. of prop only each week is a waste of time, BUT THAT ISN'T WHAT YOU DO WHEN YOU SHOOT SUSTENON! The 30 mgs. of prop in each ml. of sust is used by the body, and the other esters are also being used at the same time! The 30 mgs. of prop doesn't just "disappear" and there is absolutely no reason why we should ignore it and "knock it down to 220 mg. an amp. No matter how often we inject it, the body HAS to use it.

In fact, the whole idea behind sustenon is that the short esters do their work quickly - allowing the blood levels of destrified test to get up high so the test can start working (not magically disappearing). Then, the longer esters release slowly, keeping the blood levels relatively high until the next injection - which for our purposes should probably be no longer than a week away because it does make sense to seek to keep blood levels of destrified test somewhat stable. However, for HRT purposes, it would be acceptable to wait for 2 weeks or perhaps even longer.

[ManOfMuscle]

Originally Posted by Trevdog

If someone can explain to me how that it possible, then the post is entirely valid and I will eat my own shit.

lol

Nice post trev.

[Phil9999]

i have to agree with you trevdog my trainer is an ifbb pro and he loves sustanon i guess hes wrong too

[superstarmike]

i use sust375 tue thur sat i use ent mon wed fri along with 600 mg deca a week add im blowing up like hiroshima . what you think of that?

[Danstile]

I've heard great things about sust

[gixxerk2]

this thread should be re-named 'Sus and why it's so great".

[Mr.SUST]

i've just taken my second injection of sust 300. set out to inject 2cc once a week. afetr reading a few posts here, changed to 1 1/2cc's every 4-5 days .no flu symptoms as of yet, totally expected them though. injections are pretty painless, but the area is sore for a few days after. feel stronger, maybe try the e or some c next time!

[gogetter]

Originally Posted by superstarmike

i use sust375 tue thur sat i use ent mon wed fri along with 600 mg deca a week add im blowing up like hiroshima . what you think of that?

lol blowing up like hiroshima

[fame36]

hey i use sustanon and deca 300 but i dont feel good result whit sustanon i use staff from liqua tech any body know more about this labs

[Zonly1]

I'm looking to start on Sus soon so can't say anything yet. Still doing research on places to get it.

[Flex it]

Originally Posted by Trevdog

I'm glad we don't have the full text of the original post here but I'm going to debunk it anyway.

Everybody who has been around a while has read the post where the authors explain why they think most of the test in sust somehow is wasted. Unfortunately it sounds like it makes great sense. However, no offense to the authors, it is completely wrong! Utter nonsense! Its sad that so many people have been mislead and confused by the faulty logic that went into it.

Just think about it folks. The authors, while they surely meant well, are working on a faulty premise. Somehow they got it in their heads that you can inject short esters of test into your body, and the body won't "get" the test attached to those esters. If someone can explain to me how that it possible, then the post is entirely valid and I will eat my own shit.

If you really think about it you'll have to agree. You simply can't inject testosterone and think that it won't work in your body, no matter what ester or combination of esters is attached to it.


Here's a quote from that post:

"Lets take each ester and see how long they will stay active in the body. 30mg of prop--Prop needs to be injected at least every other day to get the full benifits of the test. I think every third day is a little too long to wait, although some people may disagree. Now lets say you are doing a prop only cycle and injecting 30mg twice a week. You can see already that is a waste of gear. If you inject 30mg of prop twice a week you are totally wasting your time. You will NOT grow off of this, so you can basically take sus and knock it down to 220mg an amp if you are injecting once or twice a week."


You don't inject prop every third day or more often in order to "get the full benefits of the test" - you're going to get all the test whether you like it or not. However, it does make sense to shoot short esters frequently because it is a good idea to keep your blood levels of destrified test somewhat stable rather than having them roller coaster.

I agree that shooting 30 mgs. of prop only each week is a waste of time, BUT THAT ISN'T WHAT YOU DO WHEN YOU SHOOT SUSTENON! The 30 mgs. of prop in each ml. of sust is used by the body, and the other esters are also being used at the same time! The 30 mgs. of prop doesn't just "disappear" and there is absolutely no reason why we should ignore it and "knock it down to 220 mg. an amp. No matter how often we inject it, the body HAS to use it.

In fact, the whole idea behind sustenon is that the short esters do their work quickly - allowing the blood levels of destrified test to get up high so the test can start working (not magically disappearing). Then, the longer esters release slowly, keeping the blood levels relatively high until the next injection - which for our purposes should probably be no longer than a week away because it does make sense to seek to keep blood levels of destrified test somewhat stable. However, for HRT purposes, it would be acceptable to wait for 2 weeks or perhaps even longer.

I agree 100%. Sustanon was named around SUSTAIN release. It is designed to work very well over a long period of time, like 2-4 weeks as an HRT drug. 2-3 amps/wk is more than enough.

[Some01Better]

The quickest way to get the sust levels in your blood stream at a constant maximum level is to shoot ED (every day).

By the middle of Week 1, your there, except for a few milligrams.

On a 3cc syringe, each hash mark equals 25mgs of sustanon

So to shoot:
200mgs would be 8 hash marks (a little over 3/4 of a ml)
150mgs would be 6 hash marks (a little over 1/2 of a ml)
100mgs would be 4 hash marks (a little under 1/2 of a ml)


Day Amount Taken In Blood Stream
1 ..............200mgs ................190mgs
2 ..............200 .......................351
3 ..............200 .......................487
4 ..............150 .......................555
5 ..............150 .......................612
6 ..............100 .......................613
7 ..............100 .......................614
Week 2
8 ..............100 .......................615
9 ..............100 .......................616
10.............100 .......................616
11.............100 .......................617
12.............100 .......................617
13.............100 .......................617
14.............100 .......................618
Week 3
15............100 .......................618
16............100 .......................618
17............100 .......................618
18............100 .......................618
19............100 .......................618
20............100 .......................619
21............100 .......................619
Week 4
22............100 .......................619
23............100 .......................619
24............100 .......................619
25............100 .......................619
26............100 .......................619
27............100 .......................619
28............100 .......................619


Week 5
29...,........100 .......................619
30............100 .......................619
31............100 .......................619
32............100 .......................619
33............100 .......................619
34............100 .......................619
35............100 .......................619
Week 6
36............100 .......................619
37............100 .......................619
38............100 .......................619
39............100 .......................619
40............100 .......................619
41............100 .......................619
42............100 .......................619
Week 7
43............100 .......................619
44............100 .......................619
45............100 .......................619
46............100 .......................619
47............100 .......................619
48............100 .......................619
49............100 .......................619
Week 8
50............100 .......................619
51............100 .......................619
52............100 .......................619
53............100 .......................619
54............100 .......................619
55............100 .......................619
56............100 .......................619


As you can see by the numbers, your shooting 700mgs a week, with the exception of the 1st week. That week your only really doing 619mgs.


Here is the normal 3 times a week chart
Monday, Wednesday, Friday shots or EOD (Every other day)
It never gets stable, just develops a pattern after week 7.


1 ...250 .......................238 (Monday)
2 ...0 ..........................201
3 ...250 .......................409 (Wed)
4 ...0 ..........................346
5 ...250 .......................532 (Friday)
6 ...0 ..........................451
7 ...0 ..........................384 (Sunday)
Week 2
8 ...250 .......................566
9 ...0 ..........................480
10...250 .......................646
11...0 ..........................547
12...250 .......................703
13...0 ..........................595
14...0 ..........................507
Week 3
15...250 .......................672
16...0 ..........................569
17...250 .......................722
18...0 ..........................611
19...250 .......................758
20...0 ..........................642
21...0 ..........................547
Week 4
22...250 .......................706
23...0 ..........................598
24...250 .......................747
25...0 ..........................632
26...250 .......................776
27...0 ..........................657
28...0 ..........................560
Week 5
29...250 .......................717
30...0 ..........................607
31...250 .......................755
32...0 ..........................639
33...250 .......................782
34...0 ..........................662
35...0 ..........................564

Week 6
36...250 .......................721
37...0 ..........................610
38...250 .......................757
39...0 ..........................641
40...250 .......................784
41...0 ..........................663
42...0 ..........................656
Week 7
43...250 .......................722
44...0 ..........................611
45...250 .......................758
46...0 ..........................642
47...250 .......................784
48...0 ..........................664
49...250 .......................566
Week 8
50...250 .......................722
51...0 ..........................611
52...250 .......................758
53...0 ..........................642
54...250 .......................784
55...0 ..........................664
56...0...........................566

[Die$eL~Man]

1cc of sus eod is the bomb. sus is the #1 used compound