03-12-2005, 08:12 AM
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you bruised your muscle...let some of the test ubricate the needle bfore injecting
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03-13-2005, 03:54 PM
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I love sust and dbol, or sust and fina together. I do notice water retention on sust and dbol - but is it mostly the dbol causing it?
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04-22-2005, 01:46 AM
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i dont know how the difference in ester creates more or less water retention that would be beautiful if someone could explain it!
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04-22-2005, 01:47 AM
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oh and im currently on 1cc eod sustanon and on week two i feel like gold!
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04-22-2005, 11:56 AM
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enanthate blew my face up like a balloon...strength gains were amazing nontheless...
currently running sust 250, 125 mgs EOD for 8 weeks...currently in week 3. noticable vascularity & overall fullness feeling. my diet has been strict for the past 3 weeks, so it could be a combination of both. they say, within the 5th-6th week is when you see those esthers kick in...let's see how my body likes this stuff.
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04-22-2005, 01:06 PM
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Here's your solution... if you really think that Sust is all that bad because your blood levels fluctuate all the time, then shoot sust 1x per week, and take another shot of propionate a few days later and you're golden. Simple as pie... sustanon doesn't suck... the FDA and other medical bodies around the world wouldn't invent a product which will fuck you up... everyone on every board says that fluctuating blood levels will cause side effects, not give you gains, etc... show me a study proving that!
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04-22-2005, 02:39 PM
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i am currently using 1cc eod and i think its great
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04-28-2005, 01:42 AM
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yea
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you bruised your muscle...let some of the test ubricate the needle bfore injecting
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i thought everybody knew that, yea you just let a little run down the needle to lubricate it so it pierces the skin instead of breaking it. lol plus what size needle are you using?
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10-18-2005, 07:51 PM
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with me i did 3 amps a week mon, thur, sat. anymore would be just pitching it out the window. i would say ya i got lots of water of sus. go with enath, Never got sick off it.!
very blowdy!
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10-18-2005, 10:45 PM
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My fav is test cyp, but im doing and have done sust and omna,
those blends ive inj m-w-f 250 each, also threw one in on sundays this past cycle.
Sust-does a body good!!!
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10-19-2005, 11:43 AM
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last cycle used enanth 500 mg/week up to week 8 and switched to Omnadren 500 mg week for the remaining 4 weeks of cycle. Felt good on omna noticed a lot less waterretention by week 12 . Enanth blow my face up as hell. Everyone thought i was marshmallow man.
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10-19-2005, 04:04 PM
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i guess u can say "test is test" but result wise sust is best love the results i think i made better gains on sustanon on my 4th week than on my 10 week cycle of test e the only thing i hated about sust was that i got sick off it and am still sick but i used vet grade dont know if that was the culprit other than that thumbs up for sust and test e well i like it cuz i dont get any type of flu on it.
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10-19-2005, 06:29 PM
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i guess u can say "test is test" but result wise sust is best love the results i think i made better gains on sustanon on my 4th week than on my 10 week cycle of test e the only thing i hated about sust was that i got sick off it and am still sick but i used vet grade dont know if that was the culprit other than that thumbs up for sust and test e well i like it cuz i dont get any type of flu on it.
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What do you mean by "sick"? And you said still "sick". Like how. The whole cycle? Are you off now and if so how long have you been off?
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10-19-2005, 11:59 PM
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well I'm new and have used Sust 250 Karachi and I didn't expect the gains and strength I got from it to be so great. I am sticking to it because I love the results.
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10-20-2005, 09:03 PM
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I use karachi sus.
inject 3 amps a week on a routine like this monday,wednesday and friday
never had any pain or a flu.you say that its a lie about sus not giving you as much water retention as cypionate or enathate,well you are wrong
sus dont give that much water retention. uff does exactly what I did and I had the same reactions but its different strokes for different folks lots of things may depend on water retention or not...however gains werent off the charts but they were descent nothing to brag about so I guess I would say sust is overrated slightly as far as gains go.
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10-21-2005, 03:34 AM
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What do you mean by "sick"? And you said still "sick". Like how. The whole cycle? Are you off now and if so how long have you been off?
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i got a form of test flu i guess dunno what it was more of a flem caugh and headaches had it for about 3 to 4 weeks this is the 5th week but its almost gone.
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10-21-2005, 10:43 AM
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i got a form of test flu i guess dunno what it was more of a flem caugh and headaches had it for about 3 to 4 weeks this is the 5th week but its almost gone.
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I dont think that is test flu. Test flu just means that you fell flu lik symptoms aches pains feverish etc. Sounds like you caught a virus or a cold. Its easy to do when "on", cause your immune system is compromised from the gear.
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09-26-2006, 01:22 PM
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Im currently on sust and ill say it has kicked in alot faster than enanthate does. It is also painless. Im doing it every 3rd day and so far i am very pleased.
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09-26-2006, 03:14 PM
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it will because it has 3 esters in it that are a lot shorter then the enanthate ester
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09-27-2006, 02:28 AM
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Putting things on paper and real life experience are two different things. I like sust and know many others who do, to say that it is inferior is a pretty bold statement based only on a graph on paper.
Take andriol for example. On paper it looks like a very potent steroid but ask anyone who has tried it, and they will say it is complete shit and a waste of money.
My advice to anyone is to find 2 or 3 drugs that you personally like and stick with what works for you. Just because the guy down the street gets better gains from 500mg cyp than he does 500mg sust does not necessarily mean that you will.
I have tried many compounds and like prop/tren/anavar. And from now on that is what I will use as I know what to expect and love the results.
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01-15-2007, 03:15 PM
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If I shoot 2 sus amps my muscle is cripled for three days. One sus and one test e in the same pin and I'm good to go.
I agree that sus has its place but I think its best if you really load it up at the beginining of a cycle.
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03-07-2007, 06:43 AM
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Have loads of it/ and getting mo. Love the shit 1st 3 weeks begining of cycle go in heavy. worked well for me. will contniue to do so. till it doesn't.
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03-07-2007, 02:04 PM
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Putting things on paper and real life experience are two different things. I like sust and know many others who do, to say that it is inferior is a pretty bold statement based only on a graph on paper.
Take andriol for example. On paper it looks like a very potent steroid but ask anyone who has tried it, and they will say it is complete shit and a waste of money.
My advice to anyone is to find 2 or 3 drugs that you personally like and stick with what works for you. Just because the guy down the street gets better gains from 500mg cyp than he does 500mg sust does not necessarily mean that you will.
I have tried many compounds and like prop/tren/anavar. And from now on that is what I will use as I know what to expect and love the results.
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AND PRETTY MUCH EVERYONE TRAINS DIFFERENTLY..I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A STUDY WHERE 2 GUYS RUN 2 DIFFERENT TEST BLENDS, AND TRAIN IDENTICALLY....THE ONLY FACTOR YOU MAY HAVE IS GENETICS THEN...GIVING THAT THEY FOLLOW THE SAME DIET ETC...
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03-07-2007, 02:06 PM
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If I shoot 2 sus amps my muscle is cripled for three days. One sus and one test e in the same pin and I'm good to go.
I agree that sus has its place but I think its best if you really load it up at the beginining of a cycle.
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WHY FRONT LOAD IT AT ALL? DOESNT ON USUALLY RUN AN ORAL TO HELP?
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03-10-2007, 02:32 AM
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Not all test was created equal. Test is Test is Test. As much as this is true we are speaking about raw test or de esterified test. We are not talking about ester bound test.
The purpose when injecting is to do so to keep blood plasma levels as stable and at peak for as long as possible, now we cannot do this with sustanon unless it is injected every other day. If I were to draw a graph on the time release of sustanon it would have Highs & Lows (Ups & Downs). Now the average newbie does not wish to inject on an every other day basis and he certainly doesnt wish to be using that much test for a first or second cycle either. In order to keep blood plasma levels stable and reach a peak as quickly as possible you would have to go about front loading. Again something that should not really be done with sustanon.
I have read sustanon causes less water retention, sustanon causes less chance of getting gyno and less sides overall. This is not true one bit.
250mgs of sust or 250mgs of enanthate?
Enanthate contains more raw test than the mixture in sust.
Did I forget to mention the sust flu? The long build up of this? The long duration it takes to leave the body due to the decanoate ester?
Now before I start writing a book on this I want a serious discussion with all you sust lovers
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I don't know about all that noise. But THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS TEST FLU!!! I will call bullshit on this one a million times. The so-called "FLU" is from the too much BA , BB or both!!! NOTHING TO DO WITH TEST OR IT'S ESTERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!
The other variable is individual tolerance to them. Can this ignorance please die once and forever?
The ONLY reason sustanon hits any quicker has only to do with the propionate ester. NO OTHER REASON!
Lawnsaver you've been on the fucking boards for awhile. What the fuck's up with you not knowing better?
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