Nolva vs. Clomid for PCT

[JMEALS]

Man, this shit is so confusing to me!!! I feel like I'm in fucking chemistry class and completely lost!!
I know I never experienced any neg symptons on my last cycle with no PCT and I'm having VERY minimal sides on my current cycle.
So, I don't know if I'm one of the few who don't react as harshly to AAS or what.
I'm prepared to do the PCT at the end of this cycle though, I'm just lost with all the different options available.
I've read different articles here that suggest either clomid or Nolva then some say to add in an AI like Arimidex or Proviron?????
Since I've been lucky with no real sides so far I'm hoping that luck will continue into the PCT but not so sure with the big change in levels.
Never cared about the balls, mine don't atrophy much at all honestly.
So the HCG isn't a concern, true?
Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
I've kept the cycle simple deca:400mg/wk Sus:500/wk
So I'd like to try to keep the PCT simple also.

simple..o.k. 14 days after your last sus shot start taking clomid 50mg twice a day(12 hrs apart) for 30 days...and take nolv at 20mg a day for 45 days ..
no need for more if your shutdown is minimal like you say..

[rebelbodybuilder]

Awesome Post! Love My clomid............

[guns123]

confused.
on page one is seemed that nolva was the prefered option and clomid was pointless.then i read on to page 2 were opinion totally shifted to wards clomid instead of nolva (by the same people).
i know i have am probably missing something but can someone please clarify?and why?
i was thinking of running them together.


one more thing..


someone posted that proviron has a blocking action at the steroid receptor sites?????


Originally Posted by bachar

not crazy about proviron..IMO its blocking action at the steroid receptor sites outweighs its usefullness

[mannydasher]

great info here

[selectsoccer]

I am using androgel just to boost test while working out nothing hardcore should i even take nolva and for how long ?

[FerrariF50]

I am using androgel just to boost test while working out nothing hardcore should i even take nolva and for how long ?

if your natural test production is shut down then PCT is recommended

[Dlove]

confused.
on page one is seemed that nolva was the prefered option and clomid was pointless.then i read on to page 2 were opinion totally shifted to wards clomid instead of nolva (by the same people).
i know i have am probably missing something but can someone please clarify?and why?
i was thinking of running them together.


one more thing..


someone posted that proviron has a blocking action at the steroid receptor sites?????


Originally Posted by bachar

not crazy about proviron..IMO its blocking action at the steroid receptor sites outweighs its usefullness

Im confused too. It does seem like on page 1 nolvadex is the way to go on page 1, then on page 2 everyone says it's useless and clomid is the way to go. And some say taking both is the way to go where others say no. The thred is a little confusing, or im missing something.

[lee_1987]

hello im new to this site and dont realy no how it works...i have severe acne on my back and chest iv tryd no end of antibiotics from the docters and creams,gels and bacterial wash.im from the uk and was jus woundering if any body could help me owt or no any were i can get acutane thanks

[inkpack4141]

lee1987..are you cycling on test or dbol? is this why you have the acne or is it genetics? If you are cycling you just have to ride it out from what I know..especially if you've already went to the derma for it. And from what I've read (not from this thread because I haven't read it) clomid is far superior to nolva for HPTA recovery which helps keeps more gains but I dont believe it is a huge difference but this I am not 100% sure. Nolva or clomid seperately for PCT is fine however nearly everyone i've heard who has used both says they are far superior to just using one or the other.

[anabolict]

thanks again great read.

[noble123]

interesting read!

[qmemo]

out of topic a bit

cidoviron or nolvadex during the cycle ?

I mean can I just replace nolvadex and Proviron with cidoviron only?

I am planing on using it during a cycle from the very first day.

I googled a bit and saw a link that say's that cidoviron is like proviron but can not replace it, while almost every one that seems knowledgeable enough in the local gym's around me keep telling me that running cidoviron is just enough.

now can some elaborate?

Thanks in advance

[livingwithdoms]

very good info on this thread

[Ythrashin]

out of topic a bit

cidoviron or nolvadex during the cycle ?

I mean can I just replace nolvadex and Proviron with cidoviron only?

I am planing on using it during a cycle from the very first day.

I googled a bit and saw a link that say's that cidoviron is like proviron but can not replace it, while almost every one that seems knowledgeable enough in the local gym's around me keep telling me that running cidoviron is just enough.

now can some elaborate?

Thanks in advance

Dont need any of that crap during your cycle just an AI.

DO some more research, this thread is obsolete.

[Pain Hunter]

im new to this, i used to be a serious naturaly trainer but 6 weeks ago for shits and giggs i ran a really short dianabol only cycle 20mg 1 week 30mg 2 weeks 40mg 1 week then 20mg 1 week, i didnt take any PCT's but recently ive been getting symptons of gyno. my question is, is it worth taking anything to reduce symptons seen as it was so long ago and does anyone have any suggestions?

[Ythrashin]

Yes take an AI.


Why do peeps keep posting in this old thread? You guys Can make your own thread ...

[Italiano SPO]

Dont need any of that crap during your cycle just an AI.

DO some more research, this thread is obsolete.

+1 I'm glad someone chimed in on this one.

[jtvision]

This cleared up a few unanswered questions I had. Thanks for posting.

[Mr. Humdiddly]

Gonna be hitting the stane this cycle will see how things go.

[daviddwilson]

ok so ive been using CLomids only after post sycle therapy. Im Interested in the Nolva while im on my next cycle. Do I still take clomids after ive been using Nolva during my cyle and does Nolva take care of the hormonal bloating of the face (side affect)?

Yes you do, nolva during a cycle isn't the same as PCT
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[BMOORE]

What medical proof do you have to back
up your artical?

[muclefreak]

great read!!!

[Olthetime]

"Nolvadex is clearly the stronger component of the two as it can achieve better results in decreasing overall estrogen with 20-40 mg a day, than clomid can in doses of 100-150 mg a day"

Not to be a dick about it but that quote taken from the piece is completely false. Without going into it to deep. MG in tablets DOES NOT reflect potency or strenth and is one of the most alarming misconceptions outside of the pharmacutical scene.

[derek.d]

great post! it helped out ALOT...

[dznutzx]

"Nolvadex is clearly the stronger component of the two as it can achieve better results in decreasing overall estrogen with 20-40 mg a day, than clomid can in doses of 100-150 mg a day"

Not to be a dick about it but that quote taken from the piece is completely false. Without going into it to deep. MG in tablets DOES NOT reflect potency or strenth and is one of the most alarming misconceptions outside of the pharmacutical scene.

I didn't understand this either. as if the required dose has any meaning.

Bad example..but also need less mg of fenatyl for pain relief than hydrocodone, but it doesn't factor in your decision on what to use.