Ranking anabolics for newbies

[Kane_Red_Machine]

This is an balanced point of view, shared by many users, about abilitys of some steroids.

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[lookin]

Pretty nice post for the most part. It was interesting because whenever I see those types of charts, I never see a category about the cost of each steroid, like what you had in your chart.

[Reap]

How is HGH an 8 for strength and weight gains? And why so high in side effects? I have to disagree with that one.

[sean usmc]

well done on the chart everyone should see it REAP look at the chart bro it might answer a question of yours dude just lookn out 4 ya

[Kane_Red_Machine]

Originally Posted by Reap

How is HGH an 8 for strength and weight gains? And why so high in side effects? I have to disagree with that one.

4/10 on side effect, it's low...
it have 4, because ther's no conclusive treatment on his side effects.

Exemple: if your insulin level decrease; you'll never know, early enough, if it's definitly or not.

also with the TSH treatment...

So you're an user, i wish you to have never sides at all, you know my point of view on this point.

but nobody is everybody... that the reason why it could not have lower than 4/10...

of corse a part of users have no sides effects.

[sean usmc]

you go wit ya bad self machine i didnt even know that bro hmm learned somethin today lol sweet.

[Reap]

Originally Posted by Kane_Red_Machine

4/10 on side effect, it's low...
it have 4, because ther's no conclusive treatment on his side effects.

Exemple: if your insulin level decrease; you'll never know, early enough, if it's definitly or not.

also with the TSH treatment...

So you're an user, i wish you to have never sides at all, you know my point of view on this point.

but nobody is everybody... that the reason why it could not have lower than 4/10...

of corse a part of users have no sides effects.

I was talking more about the strength and weight gains than the side effects. I can understand the side effects, but where has HGH ever been proven to benefit the users in gains that much? Most studies where HGH is taken alone have proven to the contrary.

[Kane_Red_Machine]

1) "balanced" point of view, not "straigth" point of view (read Reap)

2)If you have studys which prooves, brings, learns, anything about hgh, post them.

3)This shart, is not a study at all, you're taking it personnal i guess.

4)it's just a "balanced point of vew" (third time i say it)

5)So i told some have noway sides effects.

6)Impossible to say "nobody" got sides.

7)No offense, i couldn't be fair that mush.

[Reap]

Originally Posted by Kane_Red_Machine

1) "balanced" point of view, not "straigth" point of view (read Reap)

2)If you have studys which prooves, brings, learns, anything about hgh, post them.

3)This shart, is not a study at all, you're taking it personnal i guess.

4)it's just a "balanced point of vew" (third time i say it)

5)So i told some have noway sides effects.

6)Impossible to say "nobody" got sides.

7)No offense, i couldn't be fair that mush.

Sorry bro, didnt mean to seem like I was being aggressive or trying to discredit you. Its just that in pretty much nearly every controlled study ever done, its been shown that strength and muscle gains are not very high from HGH. I think you can talk to pretty much everyone on these forums thats used it and they can back that, myself included. Sometime in the very near future I will find as many documented studies as I can again, and post them up.

I understand you are giving a "balanced" point of view, but "strength and gains" are just that..."strength and gains". You have HGH listed as being an
8* in those 2 areas. I could see if you said anything below 5, hell I coulda not said anything even if you said up to 6*, but 8? I have yet to see where 1 person who used HGH and only* HGH ever gained very much strength or muscle from it.

If I had just signed up for this forum researching HGH, then I found your post. It would make me want to go and buy HGH for the gains being rated so highly. Then after spending money for all the HGH needed, Id be sorely dissappointed. So take it how you want, but I think 8* is way too high based not only on my experiences thus far, but from many others as well. Like I said though Im not trying to discredit you in any way, only wanted to point out the facts. Ive learned a lot from reading your posts and thank you for that.

[Kane_Red_Machine]

Originally Posted by Reap

Sorry bro, didnt mean to seem like I was being aggressive or trying to discredit you. Its just that in pretty much nearly every controlled study ever done, its been shown that strength and muscle gains are not very high from HGH. I think you can talk to pretty much everyone on these forums thats used it and they can back that, myself included.

I understand you are giving a "balanced" point of view, but "strength and gains" are just that..."strength and gains". You have HGH listed as being an
8* in those 2 areas. I could see if you said anything below 5, hell I coulda not said anything even if you said up to 6*, but 8? I have yet to see where 1 person who used HGH and only* HGH ever gained very much strength or muscle from it.

If I had just signed up for this forum researching HGH, then I found your post. It would make me want to go and buy HGH for the gains being rated so highly. Then after spending money for all the HGH needed, Id be sorely dissappointed. So take it how you want, but I think 8* is way too high based not only on my experiences thus far, but from many others as well. Like I said though Im not trying to discredit you in any way, only wanted to point out the facts. Ive learned a lot from reading your posts and thank you for that.

You rigth if you consider only amateur of BB.
but stand one second, and think at some pro-BB...
i don't like some of her freaky look, too big, but do you think than for some people it couldn't be high as 8* -seldom, but it have to be.

So your post bring a part more balanced on it.

good Reap, your answer as your cycle bring helps.

[g1234]

i think this is a great summary, although very different of the most refered one at Steroid Effectiveness Chart and Steroid Side Effects by Steroid.com and its very interseting to have a price ranking aswell.

i totally disagree with some of the side effect rankings, there is no way primobolan has the same sides effect level than deca/sust/eq, or more sides than winstrol.

[Kane_Red_Machine]

Okay, unless if you consider female users to... i've seen than for injectable AAS ther's none under 4/10 it's not for nothing...

it mean under 4/10* all sides have to be considered uncertain and/or negligible...

BTW i'm surprised to see than you haven't understood that.

So it've been made to be dicussed, but it's better to bring a report with references about, after a complete read... one time, two time, and finaly to post your own shart.

think on this, ther's BB female to... Okay frenchy lover? Have you shave your head off?LOL


Winstrol have to be reconsidered for his sides effects, on that point you're right.

*adjusted

[g1234]

oh yeah u're right i completly forgot about females in this chart and they use winstrol with much less sides than primo.. this is true.

and yeah, i shaved my head yday evening. My gf asked me why did i do that.. i said i got the idea on a web forum..
i will put pictures some day as a proof !

[Kane_Red_Machine]

Originally Posted by g1234

oh yeah u're right i completly forgot about females in this chart and they use winstrol with much less sides than primo.. this is true.

and yeah, i shaved my head yday evening. My gf asked me why did i do that.. i said i got the idea on a web forum..
i will put pictures some day as a proof !

No don't, i believe you!

[CaptainAwesome]

its an interesting chart. i wonder why syno has slightly different numbers than test prop.

[Kane_Red_Machine]

Originally Posted by CaptainAwesome

its an interesting chart. i wonder why syno has slightly different numbers than test prop.

Original syno had 90%- test prop & 10%-estradiol, which had only a mean anabolic power under 40 year old.
and also work immediaty on HPGA.

For my part they (prop and syno) have to be similar, but some don't think like me... So i let it that way.