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    I was looking into Ergo-max LMG, Prostanzanol, Methoxy trn, and Pher-plex. These are all pretty dang cheap...but are any better then SD? Whats about safer than SD. People have been getting 10-20lbs off E-Max and Prost. As i understand they are both almost the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perfection Awaits
    I was looking into Ergo-max LMG, Prostanzanol, Methoxy trn, and Pher-plex. These are all pretty dang cheap...but are any better then SD? Whats about safer than SD. People have been getting 10-20lbs off E-Max and Prost. As i understand they are both almost the same.
    I can't believe you think that these are prohormones! You are throwing
    your money away. Prohormones were banned! Unless you know a chemist
    you are being RIPPED OFF.

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    Prohormones are nothing more than weak steroids with strong side effects, buyer beware!

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    alright screw that then

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perfection Awaits
    alright screw that then
    phera plex is a steroid not a pro hormone. as far as i know and have read is more potent than sd. it is more androgenic and more anabolic than sd. this and sd are about the only supplements that work and r worth buyinng.as far as prostanozolol i personally used it and was ok did see some lean weight gain and strength gain but not as pronounced sd and phera plex. the reason why their so cheap is bcause their going to be banned soon and the companies r trying to get rid of them
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    Quote Originally Posted by megadose
    phera plex is a steroid not a pro hormone. as far as i know and have read is more potent than sd. it is more androgenic and more anabolic than sd. this and sd are about the only supplements that work and r worth buyinng.as far as prostanozolol i personally used it and was ok did see some lean weight gain and strength gain but not as pronounced sd and phera plex. the reason why their so cheap is bcause their going to be banned soon and the companies r trying to get rid of them

    HOW COULD YOU PROMOTE SUCH GARBAGE.. Are you getting paid?

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    chill man

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    Quote Originally Posted by krembles
    HOW COULD YOU PROMOTE SUCH GARBAGE.. Are you getting paid?
    stop hatting on supplements that r actually steroids. btw don't let the roids get the best of u
    Last edited by megadose; 12-30-2005 at 07:37 PM.

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    PH's are ok, it is all I have ever taken and have had good results.
    They are actually steriods though, they are not a rip-off like others say.
    My last SD cycle I gained as much as my buddy who shot 500mg test e for 10 weeks. And I only did SD for 4 weeks. Kept much of it though PCT.
    They do have their downsides but to say they are garbage is not correct. I don't htink anyone should shoot any steriod until they have done PH cycle. There is important lessons to be learned in a PH cycle and it will get your discipline down.

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    agreed

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    pls move to supplement forum

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    You guys with PhDs in "bro'ology" need to get a clue. you all think because something is legal it sucks... get over it... dont give me that "well if it worked it would be out already" crap too - you forget the original reason anabolic steroids were developed. superdrol is an effective steroid, read vida's book. 1test is virtually the same as primo, methyl-dht has been legal and out forever... what about MENT - its still legal, but you didnt know that of course.... so that must mean it sucks right? the jury is still out on methoxy tren... that being said, just because its legal doesnt mean ts great too - max lmg and ergomax lmg brought back mixed results. get a grip you close minded edit
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    ur the man rradam...u know me better than u think too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perfection Awaits
    ur the man rradam...u know me better than u think too
    oh boy....



    anyway - to answer you question - i dont think i would spend my money on prostan, max/ergomax mayyybe methoxy tren, but i would wait to see results - then again, it wont be around for long, so theres the catch 22.

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    ya, im savin my money till people get results...stuff will always be out there...i hadnt looked at PH's in like 3 months, and then i caught a thread n decided to see what the latest was n heard all these new names and people started saying pherplex n stuff was generally safe...but i had to ask...saving my money for now tho, thanks.

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    methoxy tren may be good - its discontinued though - i DO know its no better than tren. So if you are looking for a legal approach - better get it now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perfection Awaits
    ya...better off goin w/ real stuff IMO
    Especially now since just about everything is banned. there isnt really anything that is better outright. 1test is great, m1t, mdht, superdrol, m4ohn - all good stuff but damn near impossible to find with the new ban (except for SD)... so if you are looking for a replacement you might as well use primo for 1test, dbol for m1t (not quite the same) proviron or masteron for mdht, anavar for m4ohn ( not anywhere alike chemically, but similar in effects) and you still have the SD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perfection Awaits
    and, as i imagine, all Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) are less harsh on the liver/body than there "comparable" once-legal prohormones

    no, no, no, no... just as harsh, with less gains!!!

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    what can i say...ur an armchair chemist

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perfection Awaits
    what can i say...ur an armchair chemist

    Of couse! Im still working on my PhD in bro'ology like the rest of these cooks.

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    How do call people fucktards that say the real thing is better, (less sides, more results). That makes complete sense to me.

    And please back your statements about how these are steroids, any articles?

    I'm not sayign you're totally wrong, I just think you should back your statements up before making such strong accusations. Especially when you could go on bodybuilding.com and read everything that was just written about these supplements in countless, copy-and-pasted, 14yr old's posts.

    And what is bro'ology? I don't think thats going to catch on as you hoped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trucker111
    How do call people fucktards that say the real thing is better, (less sides, more results). That makes complete sense to me.

    And please back your statements about how these are steroids, any articles?

    I'm not sayign you're totally wrong, I just think you should back your statements up before making such strong accusations. Especially when you could go on bodybuilding.com and read everything that was just written about these supplements in countless, copy-and-pasted, 14yr old's posts.

    And what is bro'ology? I don't think thats going to catch on as you hoped.
    here ya go

    This text is not widespread over internet, and Superdrol seems to be very often theme these days, so I thought this thread could be useful. I hope you will find some good informations.



    Chemistry


    Superdrol (methasteron) is definitely not a prohormone: it is a very active form of a designer supplement. Superdrol gets its name from the fact that it is a super-saturated, or 2-reduced, form of Anadrol. Anadrol has a =C-OH at the 2nd position, and if this is totally saturated (reduced) with hydrogen, it gives -CH3. Another way to describe it is that it is a 2a-17a-dimethyl of drostanolone (Masteron). Masteron has a single methyl group at the 2nd position. Superdrol is a modification of this structure by adding another methyl group at the 17th position, like M1T or M-Dien. However you may wish to look at it, it is by this simple-looking transformation that Superdrol comes to occupy the sweet spot between the chemical natures of Anadrol and Masteron. Since it is already reduced at the 5th position, it cannot make estrogen. Progesterone is not an issue: perhaps 0.1% can aromatize, in theory. In fact, this compound should not have any major metabolites at all. Maybe a few hydroxylated adrenal metabolites, but only traces. It is basically excreted unchanged as the conjugated glucuronate. The extra electron density at the 2 makes Superdrol 2-3x as anabolic (mg for mg) than Anadrol. To borrow from the language of genetics, Superdrol is a fine example of hybrid vigor: it has only the best attributes of each, and none of the worst. This is a supplement designed to have it all.

    Anadrol/oxymetholone 17ß-hydroxy-2-hydroxymethylene-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-3-one

    Superdrol/methasteron 2a,17a-Dimethyl-17ß-hydroxy-5a-androstan-3-one

    Masteron/drostanolone 2a-methyl-17ß -hydroxy-5a-androstan-3-one

    Proviron/mesterolone 1a-methyl-17ß -hydroxy-5a-androstan-3-one



    Effects

    Anabolic effects & dosing requirements

    As fascinating as all this chemistry might be, you are probably much more interested in how well Superdrol is going to work. What you are going to gain, and how much it will take you to make these gains? The gains from Superdrol are very dry and lean, so numbers do not tell the whole story, but let us look at them nonetheless. According to the book values, Superdrol should be 20% as androgenic as the reference standard methyl-test, and 400-800% as anabolic, while M1T is 910-1600%, and Anadrol closer to 300%, while being twice as androgenic as Superdrol, mg for mg. So in theory, Superdrol should be half as anabolic as the same dosage of M1T, and 10-20% as androgenic. This would mean that it should take twice the dosage of Superdrol to match the anabolic effects of M1T, at which dosage its androgenic side-effects would be 20-40% of those from M1T. Fortunately in the case of Superdrol it exceeds in practice its theoretical promise. All testers – who were selected in part because of their experience with M1T – found that the muscle gains produced from Superdrol were no less than 2/3 of what a comparable dose of M1T would have given them. Moreover, they found very few side-effects to complain about.

    What this means for you is that you will need somewhere between 10 and 40mg of Superdrol per day. Period. There was, certainly, a desire to get this product to market before the ban, but because we were able to keep its chemistry secret, competition did not force it to be rushed, as was the case with M-Dien. Accordingly, proper testing was carried out, allowing us to determine real world dosing recommendations, not ballpark theoretical numbers. The following recommendations are honest and accurate: 10-15mg will be sufficient for beginners under 200lbs; 20-25mg for those advanced lifters under 200lbs, or for those above 200lbs but untrained; 30-35mg for men who have seriously trained themselves but are under 240lbs. For men who think they need to run a dose which falls between the use of whole capsules, one extra 10mg capsule can be taken before workouts, such that the weekly average is appropriate. as a rule of thumb, Superdrol will require 50% more of a dose than M1T to give you comparable gains in muscle. Any women who are entertaining the possibility of using Superdrol should reduce the weight to accord with their sex and their height, and then divide these dosages by a factor of no less than ten. Capsules will then have to be diluted in liquid to be measured accurately. For men, 40mg is a dose only for the very large or the true non-responders, by which I mean people who do not see results on less than 30mg of M1T. Very few people will need 40mg of Superdrol, and no one will need above 50mg. If used in a stack reduce the daily dose by 5-10mg, which would be very prudent given how well Superdrol will stack, and if not its expense, then your very limited supply.

    The testers whose dosing fit the above guidelines gained, on average, five pounds of muscle in under three weeks, while losing water and gaining no fat on hyper caloric bulking diets. The quality of the gains from Superdrol comes from its likeness to Masteron while the quantity comes from its similarity to Anadrol. Masteron, expensive and very rare, is almost a perfect cutting steroid, being highly androgenic and anti-estrogenic. If you must have a rough comparison to something already out there, one tester described the quality of gains as being akin to those from Fina or a test/halo combo, but such comparisons are bound to be inexact. Gains are very dry, and it makes muscles noticeably more hard and dense. The explosive gains from Anadrol are accompanied by a great deal of water retention and fat. M1T, as you surely well know, produces explosive gains not unlike those of Anadrol, but this comes at a cost. More on this later. As to how difficult it is to retain the gains from Superdrol, you are invited to follow the testers’ post-cycle results. To date, the results are promising, with no loss of mass or vascularity. The gains from Superdrol will be impressive, and they will not take long to start, but they will be more gradual to be recognized than those which come from aromatizing steroids. Your numbers in the gym and on the tape measure will go up, not explosively, but they will go up surely and steadily. The diuretic effect of Superdrol will at first mask the gains as you lose water and gain muscle. When mass begins to increase, it should do so disproportionately compared to tape-measurements. So if you are only checking the scale, or if you are not lean enough to notice the loss of water, persist and be rewarded.

    Strength

    Anadrol is famous for explosive gains in strength. M1T is not. Superdrol shares with Anadrol a capacity for impressive, but consistent, gains in strength. Testers experienced dramatic and immediate strength gains, when consuming sufficient calories. To their surprise and our delight, every single one became stronger every single workout, and many personal bests were recorded, while volume increased. Being a DHT derivative, it is a fair question to ask whether the strength gains from Superdrol can be maintained, or whether they will not dissipate shortly after one terminates use of the drug. In response to this, consider that 1) the strength gains from pure androgens are not generally accompanied by proportional gains in mass, and 2) the gains in both strength and mass which result from dianabol/m1,4add are - besides being accompanied by bloating - diminished soon after one goes off, they don’t just disappear, but they are hard to keep. If the mass gains from Superdrol are solid rather than fleeting, then the strength which came with this increase in muscle mass should be much easier to maintain than those which can result from the use of Anadrol, Dianabol/M1,4ADD, or many of the pure androgens, which achieve a significant amount of their effect on strength through their psychotropic effects on focus and aggression.




    Athletic Performance

    Along with marked increases in strength, all testers observed undeniable increases in their endurance, whether in cardio or adding to the sets they could perform. Breathing and heart rates were not as high as expected. Given Superdrol’s chemical relation to Anadrol and Masteron, it was speculated that this could be due to an increase in red blood cell (RBC) count, which would allow the use of more oxygen. Masteron has also been used as an Anadrol alternative for aplastic anemia, so it should be a strong immune stimulator and RBC booster, as many 5-reduced compounds are. In Anadrol, the extra stamina which should accompany the known increase in RBC is largely counteracted by the estrogen related effects. Because these are absent with Superdrol, increased RBC count may seemed a probable explanation for the increase in endurance. But because the increased endurance occurred quickly, I am hesitant to assert that an increased RBC count is the reason. Shortly after this appears in print, there should be blood work available to confirm or deny this. No matter the explanation, Superdrol does increase endurance significantly.

    Fluid Retention

    Masteron and Anadrol are on the opposite ends of the spectrum in regards to fluid retention. In this regard, Superdrol lies close to Masteron, which – being unable either to convert to estrogen or mimic the effects of estrogen – has typically been used for reducing water retention while increasing muscle hardness and density. The rapid gains in mass caused by Anadrol involve not a little water retention: bloating is unavoidable, as with Dianabol/M1,4ADD. With Superdrol, there is no extra water retention. There is not even facial bloating. It forms no estrogen, so the renin-angiotensin-aldosterone (RAAS) system cannot be activated to cause any water retention. M1T has the unfortunate effect of causing water retention in the kidneys, which can be painful, and is definitely unhealthy.

    The pumps for which Anadrol is known are caused by an increase in the volume of blood, some of it RBC but much of it water. Blood pressure rises accordingly, and can lead to headaches, other forms of discomfort, or worse. The pumps from Superdrol could well be the result of the volumization of blood without the water gain, as noted above. It is in fact a mild diuretic. This helps contribute to the unmatched vascularity noticed in lean individuals. Because it dries you out, unless you are cutting for a reason, like a contest, you should increase your water intake accordingly. You can expect to drop at least several pounds of water in your first few days of use. From testers who monitored their blood pressure, there was no indication that it rose significantly, nor were there in others symptoms of high BP, for example, face turning beet red, or feeling nauseous after a few light sets. The pumps and increased vascularity from Superdrol are pleasant - “my biceps feel flexed when at rest” in the words of one tester. That is, until the dose is becomes too high, at which point Superdrol shares with Anadrol back pumps, cramps, or aches. These can inhibit workouts. At proper doses, these are fleeting, not unlike those from M1T, but not as severe. However, the tester who challenged the highest dose experienced such discomfort that he literally had to lay on the gym floor in between sets. It seems that Superdrol has a built in mechanism, harmless enough, to prevent its abuse.


    Fat

    Masteron is very effective in cutting cycles to reduce bodyfat; Anadrol does not mind putting on a few pounds ‘for the winter.’ Superdrol testers were all eating well, no one was cutting, and mass was going up faster than tape-measurements. It was wondered whether Superdrol exhibited fat-burning properties like Tren. This can be discounted, and explained instead as a diuretic effect: testers size did not change dramatically because they lost water, while their muscles grew and became more dense. So in regard to fat, Superdrol falls right between Masteron and Anadrol: one could say that it neutral in terms of partitioning. When using Superdrol, fat will not magically melt away, but nor will it especially inhibit fat loss on a cut. It will not especially prime you for fat gains on a bulk, but if you do not watch your diet you can get fat.


    Psychological Effects

    The psychological effects of Anadrol and Masteron are noticeable, if not as pronounced as with some other DHT derivatives. It was not clear what, if any, psychological effects should have been expected from Superdrol, given how little its androgenic effects looked to be on paper. What the testers found, to begin with was that Superdrol felt “somatically clean,” meaning that there was zero sense of physical malaise or indisposition which is common to Anadrol and especially M1T. On the contrary, testers had a sense of physical well-being, a clean feeling of being ‘on’ – as distinct from the sure knowledge that one is growing, even if one doesn’t feel well, that one gets from M1T or Anadrol. This feeling was not as pronounced as with Dianabol. Psychologically, the following were attributed to the use of Superdrol: confidence, assertiveness, focus, increased libido, the need to do something, aggressiveness in the gym, a command mindset, and some irritability – especially upon ramping up to the next dosing level. One tester described the CNS stimulation he got from doing 30mg at once as being stronger than 50mg of M5, 32mg of M4OHN, or EC. Endurance and strength should be mentioned here as well, because while above I have offered physical explanations for them, some of this effect could well be psychological, in which case it would dissipate upon cessation of the use of Superdrol. There was some increase in appetite for some of the testers, a decrease for others; in either case this was not overwhelming.

    Recovery

    Recovery time on Superdrol was improved, slightly but noticeably - not on a par, however, with a similar dose of M1T, let alone Anadrol. In this light you should be reminded that the increases in strength which you will experience on Superdrol do not come with a proportional increase in the strength of connective tissue. So when using Superdrol, you should observe strict form in the gym or else you invites injury, which obviously defeats the purpose of any kind of performance enhancing agent.

    Adverse effects

    Across the board, testers were astounded by the virtual absence of unwelcome side-effects from Superdrol use. One tester, already Balding, mentioned an occasional itchy scalp. The only exception to the clean bill given to Superdrol was noted earlier, lower back pain at excessive doses. This lack of side-effects can be attributed to Superdrol’s very low androgenic capacity and its anti-estrogenic effects.



    Everything OK in there?

    So what’s the catch, the bad news? From the provisional results, there does not seem to be any bad news. You should be sure to check the results of the testers’ blood work which will appear in their logs. If I were to speculate as to what could be most worrying, it would be if Superdrol lowered HDL (good cholesterol) levels into the single digits - something which M1T is very good at doing. As to hepatotoxicity, Superdrol is estimated to be more toxic than M4OHN, while far less toxic than M1T. The blood work will tell, but there was absolutely no indication from any of the testers, or from the chemistry of Superdrol, that it should be highly toxic. The unbearable back pumps which accompany excessive use of Superdrol effectively limits its potential for abuse. There were no indications of high blood pressure: headaches, nosebleeds, or anything of the sort. Testers were not fatigued or lightheaded, or any of the other symptoms of low blood sugar levels, as accompanies the use of M1T and Anadrol. Superdrol could still have some effect on this, however, and it something to keep in mind, especially if one will simultaneously be using Glucophase XR. Sleep was not interrupted, nor was it reported to be noticeably improved. Nausea and diarrhea were absent.

    Unwelcome Growth

    As stated earlier, Superdrol is a mild androgen, and anti-estrogenic. Testers found no occurrence of acne, excessive hair growth, indications of benign prostate hypertrophy (BPH). You will not want to brave the back cramps to take enough of this to make you have to begin to be worried about androgenic sides. At 40mg, one tester noticed a tendency to bruise more easily. Zero estrogen conversion with this one, because it's 5-reduced and A-ring alkylated on top of that. Binding to the aromatase enzyme, estrogen production will be reduced. Also, the parent compound (Masteron) is used exclusively as an anti-neoplastic for metastatic breast cancer, so Superdrol is a strong anti-e. Clearly, Superdrol is not progestational, it is non-aromatizable, and even anti-estrogenic. But this said, it is worth reminding you that no one is clear on what the reasons are for why people get gyno. It can occur even in people using substances with these characteristics. One tester thought he could be having some early symptoms of gyno, although on paper there is clearly no reason to suspect Superdrol contributed to this. The point to take from this is that it is imperative to always have Nolvadex or generic tamoxifen citrate powder on hand to administer at the first notice of symptoms of gyno.

    Unwelcome Losses

    As has been stated, Superdrol is a mild androgen, and Hair loss (androgenetic alopecia) should not be much of a concern if you are not very predisposed to it. Another concern, especially in light of the peoples’ experiences with M1T is the question of how hard Superdrol will shut you down. The testers ran Superdrol by itself, some of them at very high doses. Not one experienced anything to indicate anything like the severe degree of shutdown which almost immediately accompanies the use of M1T. That said, it is inconceivable that Superdrol can do what it does without affecting the HPTA axis, and post cycle therapy (pct) is always mandatory. Because Superdrol itself is mild in terms of shutdown, if you were to run it by itself, recovery with post cycle therapy (pct) should be quite easy. Most people, however, will elect to run Superdrol as part of a stack.

    Necessary Supplements?

    In the case of most oral steroids, legal or otherwise, there are a number of supplements which are not really optional. With M1T, everybody’s favorite, 4-AD is really not an option. Liver protection supplements are optional, or they are so only at your peril. And little can be done about perpetually low blood sugar levels, and single-digit HDL levels. Anti-e’s are not specifically necessary for most orals, used alone. With Superdrol, none of these supplements are necessary - and no letro, finasteride, or dex - because none of these side-effects are especially worrisome. The only potential exception is the HDL issue. All steroid use adversely affects HDL levels, but we need to be sure to know how safe Superdrol is in this regard. The results of the testers’ blood work will resolve this worry, or make people aware that this is an issue. In any case, the only thing which could be done about this would be to limit the length of one’s cycle. As mentioned above, supplements are necessary with every steroid for post cycle therapy (pct), and Superdrol even though it is mild in terms of suppression is no exception. I mention this here in part to remind you of the possibility that research chemicals may become much more difficult to come across depending on what actions take place subsequent to the ban. With Superdrol, if anything is close to necessary, it would be general liver protection such as from K-R-ALA. Everything else is strictly optional, and can be used in a complementary stack Superdrol, not as something necessary to counter the deficiencies of the primary mass builder.

    A very minor issue which you should look for an answer is what the half-life of Superdrol is in the body. If it is short, this will call for dividing your daily dose rather than taking it all at once. If the half-life is longer, it would be an unnecessary inconvenience to do so.

    Implications and Stacks

    Cycle Length

    Because of the toxicity of Anadrol and M1T, it is highly imprudent to use these for more than four weeks at a higher dose, and six weeks at any dose. For Superdrol, toxicity is not a great concern – little more than with M4OHN. So long as the results of the blood work come back favorably, i.e. if the HDL cholesterol is not reduced to single digit levels after several weeks usage, Superdrol can safely be used for longer cycles than 4 weeks. Otherwise, it should be used only for short cycles, or for short parts of longer cycles – obviously not in succession with M1T. I mention these issues because one of the things most of the testers mentioned is that they feel like they could run Superdrol perpetually: “I can run this forever” - “No, you can’t.” This would obviously be a bad idea.

    Stacking

    Unlike Masteron, Superdrol obviously works very well on its own. Anadrol is very powerful, but the problems with its use are evident. If you happen to get a lot of Superdrol, you can surely use it to great effect on its own, but given its limited availability, to get the most out of your supply, you will probably want to use it as part of a stack. Superdrol should stack well with pretty much everything, apart from those things which it begs to be used in the place of: such as M1T, M14ADD, DBol, Anadrol or Halo. There should be no need to stack this with another methyl. The only things even to consider this would be mild substances like M4OHN or M5AA, for example. As a rule, if you can find a way not to stack methyls, make the right choice. A low transdermal dose of 3-alpha is a very powerful pure androgen which could take the place of M5AA or MDHT. For bulking cycles, a stack with anything which aromatizes will work very well: Test, EQ/1,4ADione, Nandrolone. A significant amount of mass gains come from the presence of estrogen. Estrogen also stimulates white blood cell production, aiding your immune system, having too little estrogen will predispose you to becoming sick. M1T flu anyone? For more of a lean bulk more limited aromatizers would work very well: 4AD/ester, 19Nordiol/ester, 1,4ADiol, Primo. For a major cut, a non-aromatizing choice is called for, such as very dry mass-builder and/or a pure-androgen to produce sick separation and vascularity: 1-Test/ester or 5aa/ester, 3-alpha, Masteron, or Tren. There are so many combinations, it is really up to you to look at what is available, decide what your goals are, and choose the most appropriate items. You simply need to choose a complementary combination with your budget and your goals in mind.

    Listed below are some examples, suggested in discussion with the testers. You should be able to discern their purpose. And there will surely be a good deal of discussion about potential stacks and their merits on the boards.

    Superdrol + 1-Test + 4-AD + pure androgen + M4OHN
    Superdrol + Test or Sledge Test
    Superdrol + 5AD + 3alpha
    Superdrol + 4-AD + MDHT + Tren Superdrol + 4-AD + Tren Superdrol + Test or 4-AD + Deca or Nordiol
    Superdrol + 1-Test or Fina + Test
    Superdrol + 1,4ADD/EQ or 19Nor/Deca or M4OHN



    Cost/benefit analysis

    “There’s no way it can replace M1T.” So says the conventional wisdom about every new legal anabolic since the introduction of this famous mass builder. New substances have come to the market, and it is true that none yet has replaced M1T. What is also true, outside of the most outlandish circus-vendor salesmanship, is that nothing which has come to market has made claims to be a serious mass-builder, a true challenger to M1T. M4OHN and M-dien have received a lot of bad press, not because they are useless, but because people were expecting them to be useful in a way they were not. The pure androgens M5AA, and recently MDHT, were never intended as mass builders, but for strength, aggression, hardening, and maybe some modest dry gains. 1-AD, being related to M1T was impressive in its own right, but its cost put this posh wonder beyond comparison with its inexpensive brethren. M1,4ADD could plausibly be called a bulker, but like its metabolite Dianabol, the gains from M1T by itself were more impressive and seemed qualitatively superior, even when M1,4ADD was used at an appropriately high dose.

    Superdrol is up against M1T. By now consumers of legal anabolics have accepted M1T as the bar by which all competitors are judged. But in fact the bar had not been rais...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trucker111
    How do call people fucktards that say the real thing is better, (less sides, more results). That makes complete sense to me.

    And please back your statements about how these are steroids, any articles?

    I'm not sayign you're totally wrong, I just think you should back your statements up before making such strong accusations. Especially when you could go on bodybuilding.com and read everything that was just written about these supplements in countless, copy-and-pasted, 14yr old's posts.

    And what is bro'ology? I don't think thats going to catch on as you hoped.

    I got a little worked up there.... kind of annoying seeing people preach something they have no idea about... I wouldnt say there are any studies, but if you look at the chemical compound, you can tell if it is a steroid. superdrol, for instance, is 17-methylated masteron, methyl-dht, 1-test is 5a reduced boldenone, m1t is 5 alpha reduced dbol, m4ohn is an active steroid, as is methyl dien (albeit it wasnt that great)

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    You protest to much with these long winded atom splitting articles. One atom or molecule removed from necleus. Since you know such long words. YOU must be
    SMARTER than the rest of us. Well, I ain't buying any of your one molecule removed
    from M1T. What I would like to hear is from lifters that have a first hand experience in
    Both. Not some egg-head article written by a Professor in Chemistry. I have 4 years
    college and have taken Chemistry. People who do not know how to explain them-selves to the every day folks are ignorant themselves.

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    that article read like it was written by the supplement manufacturer and not by a professor in chemistry.

    If you could get good gains from them, they would be illegal by now.

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