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AAS article and suicide
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by Jack Darkes, PhD
Assistant Professor, Department of Psychology;
Director of Interventions, Alcohol and Substance Use Research Institute
University of South Florida
Discussions of the potential role of anabolic-androgenic steroids (AAS) in suicide surfaced recently when Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) and their use among professional athletes were blamed for several suicides of young adult males. These allegations inspired a congressional investigation and renewed anti-steroid rhetoric, but little dispassionate evaluation. The testimony of experts and grieving parents notwithstanding, the role of Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) in suicide is not clear.
The recent tragedies that spurred these investigations involved late adolescent males, yet provoked widespread condemnations of AAS. Problems among adolescent drug users cannot inform issues of adult use (or vice-versa); adolescents are not simply younger adults. Adolescent brains are in transition into the early twenties (Spear, 2000a); these changes initiate and guide the processes normally associated with adolescent/pubertal development (e.g., see Dahl & Spear, 2004). As the brain develops toward its adult configuration, it is awash in endogenous hormones and neuro-chemicals with long-term organizational and functional effects. Drugs that affect this developmental process by impacting these endogenous systems, whether legal, legally prescribed or illicit, can disrupt this process, exerting lasting effects (e.g., Spear, 2000b; Spear, 2002). Testosterone analogs are no exception; androgens have strong organizing effects on the central nervous system (Romeo, 2003). Any drug use, licit or illicit, by adolescents is risky and can have persistent negative effects.
Drug use among Adolescents. Estimates for 2004 suggest that 3.4% of 12th graders have used Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) in their lifetime; 2.5% in the past year and 1.3% in the previous 30 days (Monitoring the Future [MTF], n.d.). In contrast, 76.8% of 12th graders drank alcohol in their lifetime, 70.6% in the past year and 48% in the previous 30 days (MTF, n.d). Rates for most other drugs (e.g., marijuana and cocaine) fall between these estimates and the rates for all drug use tend to increase from 8th to 12th grade. These data suggest that Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) are one of many substances used by adolescents and that their use is relatively rare compared to other drugs, legal and illegal.
Indeed, risky behaviors of all types tend to co-occur and increase across adolescence (Steinberg, 2004) and peak during late adolescence/early adulthood (Middleman, Faulkner, Woods, Emans, & DuRant, 1995). These behaviors are often conceptualized of enhancing adolescents’ individuation from their family of origin, exploration and adoption of adult roles, and gaining access to and acceptance within new social groups (e.g., Jessor, 1991). The increased use of substances is often part of this process (Middleman et al., 1995) and, notably, some researchers suggest that adolescent use of Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) has been "…first and foremost associated with types of problem behavior (i.e., drug [marijuana] involvement and aggressive-type conduct problems) (Wichstrom & Pederson, 2001, p. 10)."
Suicide prevalence. Suicide is a rare event, and, in the absence of a prior attempt, is difficult to predict (a long-discussed issue; e.g., Murphy, 1988; Rosen, 1954). Suicide rates rise with age through adolescence and then fall gain, until the later years; males 75 years and over exhibit the highest rate of suicide (e.g., Pearson & Conwell, 1995), although this pattern may be changing (e.g., Gunnell, Middleton, Whitley, Dorling, & Frankel, 2003). Estimates suggest that from 3 - 11% of adolescents attempt suicide (e.g., Brent, 1995, Lewinsohn, 1994) and suicide is the third leading cause of death in adolescents aged 15 – 24 years (Goldsmith, Pellmar, Kleinman, & Bunney, 2002). In 1990, about 13.2 completed suicides occurred per 100, 100 adolescents in the 15-24 age range (Woods, Lin, Middleman, Beckford, Chase, & Durant, 1997). Suicide rates among 15-19 year olds and 15-24 year olds have increased over the last several decades (Guyer, MacDorman, Martin, Peters, & Strobino, 1998; Woods et al., 1997) and the rate of attempts increases into the late teen and early twenties (Gould & Kramer, 2001; Wichstrom, 2000).
Suicide Risk Indicators. A wide range of characteristics is associated with increased suicide probability (e.g., Ayyash-Abdo, 2002; Woods et al., 1997). For example, a history of previous attempts (Wichstrom, 2000), physical fights in the past 12 months and gun carrying, (Woods et al., 1997), depression (Ayyash-Abdo, 2002; Boergers, Spirito, & Donaldson, 1998), and hopelessness (e.g., Ayyash-Abdo, 2002) are associated with adolescent suicide attempts. In addition, substance use (e.g., Ayyash-Abdo, 2002, Woods et al., 1997), low self-esteem (e.g., Wichstrom, 2000), peer/family member suicide/attempt (e.g., Brent, 1995), socially prescribed perfectionism (e.g., Boergers et al., 1998), and alcohol intoxication (e.g., Wichstrom, 2000) are also associated with adolescent suicide. Approximately 28% of suicides by children 8-15 years have been attributed to alcohol (Center for Substance Abuse Prevention [CSAP], 2002). Brower has commented that suicide is the third leading cause of death among 15-24 year olds and suggested that "This…age group…is already at high risk…when you add steroids you are increasing the risk of suicide (University of Michigan Health Systems, 2005)." As noted above, a vast array of individual characteristics, related to both negative affect and risk taking, are associated with increased suicide risk in this age group, including the use of many substances (e.g., alcohol, CSAP, 2002; prescription antidepressants; Garland, 2004).
The Recent Cases. An in-depth exploration of the recent tragedies is not the point of this review nor is this brief review meant to denigrate these young men or deny their families’ grief. However, a brief review of the published material covering the two most publicized cases might be informative about the issue involved. Such a review tends to replicate the findings noted above. Taylor Hooton reportedly "colored his hair and looked twice when he passed a mirror (Longman, 2003)" and "…was always concerned about his looks (Kix, 2004). In combination with a reported desire to be bigger suggests potential body dissatisfaction (e.g., Pope, Phillips, & Olivardia, 2000) which is associated with both Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) use (Cafri, Thompson, Ricciardelli, McCabe, Smolak, & Yesalis, 2005) and suicide (as a form of "socially-prescribed perfectionism"; Boergers et al., 1998). He had "low self-esteem" (Longman, 2003), a family history of depression (mother) and suicide attempt (sister) (Longman, 2004) and was taking anti-depressant mediation (Lexapro) (Ardis, 2005). [Interestingly, a Mail Tribune (8-10-2004) headline (Landers, 2004) seemed to echo the parents’ sentiments in these cases, reading "Drug leads to son’s suicide, family says" – but it was actually referring to Lexapro. See both Garland, 2004 and Valuck, Libby, Sills, Giese, & Allen, 2004 for a discussion of antidepressants and adolescent suicide]. His Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) use was allegedly motivated by wanting to excel at baseball (Numerous sources including father’s testimony), although some sources have suggested it had more to do with personal appearance and status.
If such a case history could truly prove causation, then the brief review above has identified several potential "causes". But such a "psychological autopsy", which is commonly used to investigate suicides, cannot show causation. It can suggest that many warning signs can be identified, any one (or combination) of which might be associated with suicide, but none of which can be definitively shown as a cause. IN this case, to single out one might reflect other than scientific issues.
Another of the young men, Rob Garibaldi, was on medication for attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD; Klein, 2005) and depression (Fainaru-Wada, 2004; Klein, 2005), and, according to friends, engaged in periods of marijuana and alcohol use concurrent with Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) use (Fainaru-Wada, 2004). His manner of death (gunshot) also suggests risk (Woods et al., 1997). His Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) use was also motivated by the desire for a career in baseball (parental testimony), again suggesting body dissatisfaction issues, perhaps externally reinforced (Fainaru-Wada, 2004). All of these factors, including Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) use, suggest increased risk - to assert that any one of them was a single cause reflects a confirmation bias.
Many individual difference factors, including long-term and current use of a range of substances, characterize the history of suicide completers. Although an in-depth review of these cases is beyond the scope of this paper, a brief reading suggests that numerous factors known to be associated with teen suicide were present in these cases - several others were likely present as well. In fact, relevant to both of these cases, Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) researcher Harrison Pope is noted as suggesting that "…a steroid user who was also taking antidepressants for an existing depressive illness might be more susceptible to suicide risk (Klein, 2005)". The characteristics present in these cases might be causes, effects of other causes, or correlates - such a research design cannot different these possibilities. For example, the factors that might motivate Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) use (e.g., low self-esteem, body dissatisfaction) might also "predict" suicide, and at best, the temporal relationship to Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) use might suggest that they exert a "permissive effect (Sapolsky, 1997, p. 153)" rather than a causal one, which, in the example of testosterone-related aggression, suggests that ""…testosterone is not causing aggression, it’s exaggerating the aggression that’s already there (italics in the original; Sapolsky, 1997, p. 155)." A similar effect is plausible in the case of suicidal behavior as well and research suggests that a wide range of substances might exert similar effects (e.g., antidepressants; Garland, 2004; alcohol; CSAP, 2002).
In addition, the link between Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) use/withdrawal and suicide in both the larger literature (e.g., Brower, Blow, Eliopolis, & Beresford, 1989) and in these cases is predicated on idea that depression is associated with Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) withdrawal and that suicide is a consequence of that depression (whether such post Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) use depression is solely caused by Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) withdrawal is hardly a proven fact). This association is noted as proof that these suicides were caused by Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) use. However, researchers have also suggested that, in adolescents, suicide might also be considered as part of the constellation of risky and problem behaviors that appear in adolescence (e.g., Woods et al., 1997), which also includes drug use. This may represent a case of unwarranted application of results from adults to explain suicidal behavior in adolescents.
Can or should these cases inform policy on adult use of AAS? As noted above, research from adolescents cannot indiscriminately be applied to adults, or vice-versa. Hence, although these cases serve to indict Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) use by teenagers, it is already well established that use of any drug by adolescents is a risky proposition and is associated with an increased risk of suicide. This has little to do with the question of Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) use or withdrawal as a cause of suicide among adult Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) users.
AAS and Suicide in Adults.
Although frequently mentioned in popular periodicals during the past several months, the peer-reviewed literature associating between Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) withdrawal with suicide is fairly limited. A literature search of the Psycinfo data base (6-30-05), using the terms "suicide" and "Anabolic-androgenic steroids" in the title or abstract of studies with humans published in peer-reviewed journals yielded 4 papers, including one oft-cited letter to the editor (Brower, et al., 1989).
Brower noted "The most frequently described adverse psychiatric effects of Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) are extreme mood swings ranging from mania to depression, suicidal thoughts and behaviors, marked aggression… Mania…violent aggression and delusions are most likely to occur during a course of Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) use, whereas depressive episodes and suicide attempts are most likely to occur…during Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) withdrawal" (italics added; testimony of Kirk Brower to Congress, 3/17/2005). This accurately notes that these are rare effects and, in those rare instances when they appear, they do so at specific times in the Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) use/withdrawal process. Of course, when congressmen, distraught family members, and a society at war with drugs see the terms "frequently" and "most likely" they frequently are likely to read them as suggesting that mania, aggression, depression and suicide are probable during Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) use/withdrawal. Recent experimental research found that 3.2% (1 of 31) of men in whom subnormal androgen levels were induced (an experimental analog for acute Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) withdrawal) exhibited major depression (Schmidt et al., 2004). The authors note that "Few subjects…developed negative mood symptoms during an otherwise dramatic albeit brief…withdrawal and replacement of testosterone. (p. 1001)", "Baseline level of symptomatology appeared to differentiate the men’s responses to hormone withdrawal and replacement (p. 1002)" and "Our data fail to support a uniform adverse effect on mood of induced hypogonadism in healthy young men (p. 1003)". This study deserves further examination, but space precludes that effort here. Suffice to say, in randomly assigned (note this means that these men did not choose for their own personal reasons to use a drug) healthy young men (aged 23 - 46 years), an experimental analog to Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) withdrawal caused negative mood symptoms in few participants, and baseline individual differences appeared to influence the response of those affected. Experimental studies with Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) consistently tend to report similar findings – individuals administered AAS, as opposed to those who freely choose to abuse them – tend to exhibit fewer psychological effects (see Darkes, n.d.).
In the case of suicide, 3.9% of a sample of 77 those classified as Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) users reported attempting suicide during withdrawal (Malone, Dimeff, Lombardo, & Sample, 1995) and 1 of 24 Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) users interviewed in a substance use treatment facility (not a representative sample of Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) users but abusers and abusers of other substances as well) had attempted suicide during withdrawal (Kanayama, Cohane, Weiss, & Pope, 2003). Nonetheless, some researchers have characterized suicide attempts during Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) withdrawal as "…more common than most people suspect" (Pope quoted by Longman, 2003). Lifetime prevalence estimates for Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) use in males are somewhere in the one million range (e.g., Cowart & Yesalis, 1998) and the rates reported in the above studies (in one case; Kanayama et al., 2003, with abusers in treatment, not typical users), this outcome hardly seems common at all. It is certainly devastating when it happens, but it is not common – in fact, these reports suggest it is statistically rare. Of course, even if the percentage of Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) users attempting suicide during withdrawal were higher, case study methodology cannot show a causal relationship and note that these researchers do fall short of attributing the deaths to AAS. Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) use may be one of many risk factors, but it is unclear which of those many characteristics might play a part in individuals’ choices to use Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) or their suicidal behavior.
For example, one hypothesis suggests that Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) use is motivated by muscle dysmorphia (Cafri et al., 2005; Pope et al., 2000). Such body image disturbances are also associated with poor self-esteem and other factors associated with suicide. Hence, some users might bring with them arrange of possible predispositions to psychopathology and suicide prior to any Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) use. And, if users do not manage withdrawal effectively (which is difficult given the status of these drugs), they may lose prized muscle, also leading to depression, hopelessness and increased risk for suicide in those with such concerns. Hence, Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) withdrawal may involve depression and potential suicide which are secondary to Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) use, related to many other factors that are involved in the decision to use Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) and the subsequent effects – such that the causes are not so clear.
The existing research on suicide in Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) users relies on case studies (e.g., Brower et al., 1989; Kanayama et al., 2003; Thiblin et al., 1999) that examine the characteristics of completed suicides, much as was done briefly above in the recent cases. However it has been noted that "Case studies are commonly used to describe the association of abuse of Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) with the most unexpected, severe and dramatic disease conditions. Such reports must be interpreted with caution. They are characterized by describing a possible relationship between Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) administration and the disease condition and, since evidence is lacking, may exaggerate the problem (Hartgens & Kuiper, 2004, p. 517)." That is, although they are the best available method for looking at the characteristics associated with rare events and can suggest associations among events occurring together, such as suicide, depression, alcohol use, etc.; they are likely to suggest that a problem is worse than it is. The testimony to congress and many reports (e.g., Brower et al., 1989a; 1989b; Malone & Dimeff, 1992) on Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) withdrawal and suicide reflect such information; they alert us to important signs and suggest when precautions should be taken, but they seemingly overstate the problem and are not proof that a causal relationship exists. In fact, few published studies on the effects of Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) in general meet scientific standards for such an inference (Hartgens & Kuiper, 2004).
A look at one such study (Thiblin et al., 1999) illustrates the approach. Eight suicides (from 1988-1997) were identified as Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) users based on anthropomorphic examination (e.g., muscle mass, testicular atrophy) and partners/parents of the deceased provided historical information (we will not discuss the potential biases involved in such an approach, but they obviously exist). Most cases exhibited at least one of the established correlates of suicide risk (e.g., history of other substance abuse, psychological problems, or suicide by family member/close peer). One case had ceased Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) use 6 months (3 months is considered the typical window; e.g., Brower et al., 1989; Pope & Katz, 1988) prior to committing suicide and his ex-girlfriend had recently started dating another man. Although no obvious mention of the total number of suicides over that time period was made, in one geographical sub-area 150 male suicide victims aged 21-35 years were examined and three Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) user cases (2%) were identified.
Although the cases reviewed showed many signs of suicide risk and there was no non-suicidal Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) user controls, the authors concluded that "Long-term use of Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) seems to increase the risk of suicide in several ways" and that "…current mental and behavioral changes with a conceivable relation to the use of Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) led to psychosocial complications that in turn precipitated the suicides (p. 230)." This is clearly a prime example of the "exaggeration of the problem (Hartgens & Kuiper, 2004, p. 517)" that results from such studies.
Studies of attempted or completed suicides cannot determine what "caused" that suicide (other than the proximal cause of death in completed suicides); "Whether these individuals were predisposed to suicide before their steroid use or whether they developed suicidal depressions because of their steroid use is unclear (Brower, et al., 1989, p. 1075)." Nonetheless, the idea that Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) (or withdrawal) causes suicide persists and is accepted publicly as proven. The above shows that suicide is affected by many different influences, including personal factors, the familial/social environment, and media exposure (e.g., the ecological model; Ayyash-Abdo, 2002). Prospectively identifying those who will later commit suicide leads to a large number of false-positives (e.g., Murphy, 1988). Suicidal individuals share many characteristics with their non-suicidal peers; we can learn the characteristics of those who commit suicide by examining their histories, but cannot know what factors are the most likely causes of suicide without knowing the prevalence of those factors in non-suicidal people. Case studies and psychological autopsies, at best, can describe the characteristics of someone who succeeded in committing suicide and alert us to indicators of risk. And the above can be asserted to do that; Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) withdrawal may or may not cause suicide, but the possibility of suicide during withdrawal cannot be neglected – precautions are warranted.
Should the Risk of Suicide be used to Indict Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) use in Healthy Adults?
The larger literature on the psychological effects of Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) is large and spans many years; the portion of it focusing on withdrawal and suicide is more limited. Much of that larger literature is does not meet scientific standards (e.g., Darkes, n.d.; Hartgens & Kuiper, 2004). These scientific shortcomings have not tempered the sweeping statements regarding Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) as causal agents of inevitable negative outcomes made by the press and some scientists. These shortcomings do not make what is known about Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) use irrelevant by any means; parents, teachers, coaches and others have children to rear, teach or mentor and they need all the help that research can provide. Those who choose to use Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) need to be aware of the possible consequences and exercise vigilance. We cannot, however, take this research as valid evidence that deleterious effects and outcomes, including Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) use, and occur in concert with it, are inevitably caused by Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) use.
We also cannot generalize what we know about adults to adolescents and vice-versa. Adolescents are not merely younger adults – adolescence is a time of great transition. This is not a revelation - our society has long enacted laws prohibiting adolescents/young adults from using certain substances (e.g., tobacco, alcohol) and engaging in certain behaviors (e.g., driving, marrying, voting, volunteering for military service) that are legal for adults, in recognition of adolescent development. Of course, age is only a number and a given number does not mean the transition has ended – the changes do not track linearly with age. For various reasons, some adults are no better suited for certain behaviors or the use of certain substances than are adolescents (e.g., adult DUIs are quite prevalent and some Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) abusers do commit hostile or suicidal acts). But such laws reflect our society’s belief that, at a certain point in development, individuals become competent to make choices and handle consequences. For instance, the best known, yet legal, of these "forbidden" substances, alcohol, has shown strong associations with both aggression (e.g., Hoaken & Stewart, 2003) and suicide (Wichstrom, 2000), yet is legal for adults to use with penalties in place for illegal behavior. In addition, with alcohol, we clearly draw a line between use and abuse. It is unclear whether this is a matter of tradition, constituency, or power, but such conundrums deserve further consideration.
Consider also that several studies suggest that Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) use is associated with the use of multiple drugs among adolescents (e.g., DuRant, Escobedo, & Heath, 1995; DuRant, Rickert, Ashworth, Newman, & Slavens, 1993), while Malone et al. (1995) suggest that "Concurrent use of psychoactive drugs other than Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) does not appear to be common in intensively training weight lifters and bodybuilders (p. 25)". This suggests what should already have been surmised; Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) use is a different phenomenon in adults and adolescents and the ultimate motivation for using Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) in these groups differs greatly. This is especially relevant in light of the recent explorations of therapeutic uses of androgens (e.g., androgen replacement therapy; Bhasin & Bremner, 1997; male contraception; O’Connor, Archer, & Wu, 2004l AIDS wasting; Volkow, 2005).
Suicide is a devastating and tragic event and the more that is known about the individual characteristics that signal increased risk for suicide, especially in adolescents, the better equipped we will be to intervene in time to save innocent lives like those mentioned herein. Suicide is an event where false-positive identification carries with it little harm at the personal level (certainly much less than the act, especially if handled correctly to avoid any stigma), but great benefit in some cases. Efforts to educate adolescents, families, physicians and others to the warning signs, be they drug use or other risky behaviors or psychopathologies, should be applauded. Efforts to ascribe such events to a single cause can distract attention from other important indicators that need to be noted. Ascribing blame can be comforting at times of devastation when one desperately needs to make sense of events and "do something". But, from a scientific perspective, such efforts must be looked at skeptically and dispassionately. In this scientists must strive to remain ethically neutral and objective. They must attempt to ensure that they communicate clearly, not adjusting their message for a public seeking confirming statements and value judgments. Science has limitations, as do it research methods. Scientists do their best service when they remember this when reporting on their work to the public.
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Great article and great psychological investigative reasoning in this article. Through out the years I have been dumbfounded by people and their ability to blame everything from Rock&Roll to the use of soda for the cause of depression and ultimately suicide. Yet the lack of understanding or willingness to accept the fact that maybe the reason that a loved one killed themselves was because of a deeper issue and something just tipped them over the edge. Suicide is a very deep amd personal dicision that realistically is not made lightly by individuals who have beem studied who have attempted suicide and failed. It is a dicision that they come to after much thought and fighting with in themselves and see no other recourse or avenue to take in in their life.
Many peoe after a suicide say "We should have payed more attention" and they r right. Suicide cases at least successful suicide cases have many of the same tell tale signs. Withdrawn behaviour, depression and medication, lack of medication use. To blame AAS is like blaming Ozzy for suicides of youngkids who indetebly already had issues. Now can the use of any drug hurt, I think manybofbus know thia to bw true but in these cases there where issues already. Someone with a healthy brain will rarely and I mean rearly come to tgos point. Thats why my own dicision to use testosterone was weighed heavily because of my PTSD. You cant blame AAS use for these actions but you can blame the users of AAS in this particular issue for their action.
Lets keep doing what we are doing like I have said before. Many kids who want to use AAS have deep embeded issues, and the more we keep beating on the drum, letting them know that this is not the amswer to their issues, the more respect will be garnered for us who do take AAS as responsible and educated individuals.
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