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- Rep Power
Need advice for experienced users - first timer (depo test vs anapolon vs dbol)
Ok.. first my profile...
Gender: Male (last time I looked)
Weight: 58kg (yup, that little)
Body fat: 5% (yes, that low)
Gym Time: 2.5 years (first year mostly learning as a noob, 1.5 years following strict programs and doing pretty well strenghth wise -- but little mass gained as you can tell by stats)
I am basically a very hard-gainer, always have been a skinny runt throughout my life. But I decided about two and half years ago that I would finnaly do something to change that, to spite the fact that some say I will never change my genetic makeup and will simply not put on the weight I want.
Right, so after gyming my ass off, at least properly for 1 year now and having been on every damn suplement/mass gainer etc that the pharmacies sell, I have simply not seen the gains I want and have decided its time for drastic measures.
I decided to go see a doc and have my blood tested, everything came back 100%, liver, test, fsh, thyriod, yada yada yada.
So I had a long convo with the doc and I expressed my total unhappiness with my body and he eventually caved and explained that since my blood work is perfectly normal and the fact that my BMI is very very low (unhealthly underweight), he would be able to provide me legally with Depo-Test steriod injections.
It was not easy, he tried to talk me out of it due to side effects etc and the fact that my wife and I were trying for a baby. So he told me, "I'll give you one injection now, go home and see how it goes and how you feel but chat to your wife about the potencial hazzards and then only decide and come back if you want to go-ahead).
Anyway, went home, next day ass was sore, (but I expected that), spoke with the wife, she wasnt happy until she was at least preggers, so we decided I'll wait till after she falls preggers... anyway, later in the week my testies shrank and climbed up and that freaked me out a bit too. I'm not sure as it was about 5 months ago he gave me the jab but I think it was 200mg.
So now its been 5 months and my wife is now 20weeks preggers and I'm now looking into roids again...
Having read up a bit I see all the info about PCT, estrogen inhibitors etc etc, now the doc never mentioned anything to me about this, just that he would put me on a 3 month cycle of test and that I would need to be off for 3 months before "considering" another 3 month course.
The following concerns me:
1. The fact that only one jab and my testies felt all weird a few days after?
2. The doc did not say I needed any estro inhibitors and other recovery type drugs?
Now onto the next two:
A huge guy at my gym who I have become friendly with has offered to get me Dbol or Anapolon (whichever I prefer) and at reasonable prices (well the anapolon is a bit expensive but I dont mind).
I know most users would flame me if I say I am considering trying just Dbol for a first timer's cycle (perhaps 4-6weeks).
So my questions:
1. Given that I'm a little freaked out about injecting myself and I'm a first timer, is it really that bad a thing to start my first ever roid cycle using orals only and on a very light dose, just to see how the body (and mind) react?
2. If I do go back to the doc and get him to give me a 3 month course of Depo, if used at 200mg a week, do I really have to take all those other "recovery" drugs like nova etc (and would I have to ask him to provide it, not sure where I would get them).
3. If I just did the D-Bol or Ana for a short cycle and low dose, again, do I have to take all the recovery juice or would a long off cycle suffice.
I am very much aware that I am a total noob, and long before I decide on doing ANYTHING my aim is to equip myself with alot more knowledge, and thus the reason I'm starting this thread.
Your help if much appreciated!
In the beginning you spoke about all the hard work you did with little gains. You also mentioned that your genetics are working against you. But you never mentioned anything about how hard you worked on your diet. How is your diet? You wont make the gains you want on test if your diet isnt right.
Second, i think it was psychological that your "nuts felt weird"after one pin? Stay away from orals for first cycle. Do a test only cycle, and if you can get it from the doc, then go for it. But only after your diet is in check.
- Rep Power
Thanks for the reply, diets wise I have tried many different things, ensured that I was taking in more calories than my current mass needed (using food and sups to achieve it), tried going crazy using mass building shakes, home made shakes etc. Tried changing the frequency of meals from 3 per day to 6 smaller ones per day, etc etc. I explained that all to the doc too, who said "look, you clearly have a very fast motabolism and you are classified as an ectomorph, so really your body is going to burn off most of that, even the extra calories are mostly discarded" though he too was a little puzzled that I wasnt picking up anything (well I do pick the odd 1-2kg up in a week and then drop it off again a week later). I seem to have a pretty odd body lol. But I am extremly busy (as in "hyper")... I never sit still for 2sec, even as I type this my leg is constantly moving, twitching etc, so I do tend to expend a lot of energy all the time even "at rest".
I have just read the sticky regarding why oral-only is a no no, so I'm guessing thats out then.
So back to depo-test it is...
My question then is, given my stats/profile, what would a recommended dose (again, I'm a first timer) be per week, do I split the dose to twice weekly instead of once, what other juice should I take to ensure my nads are ok and I dont form any man boobs :P How long should I cycle on, how long off, and then after off, how long to post cycle therapy (pct) and what exactly is recommended for the post cycle therapy (pct)
- Rep Power
I am curious why you are asking here instead of talking to the MD. Usually people recommend a 500mg/wk test cycle for the first time around. Personally, I think PCT is important, but a couple people don't do it and don't have issues. I would definitely talk to your doctor and say you are concerned about it. After all, you can go back and see him and have a SERM prescribed. What do you hope to gain here?
Originally Posted by blueneon
- Rep Power
The reason being that I'm sure the doc want's to give it to me at 200mg/week, as far as I can tell that is too little to gain anything worth noticing. Obviously being a doc he is giving it to me purely to assist in a little bit of weight gain, he is not giving it as a "bodybuilding roid". But he will be giving me the 3 month course to take home and I would be injecting myself. So, this means I could take whatever dose, albeit that I would no doubt have to shorten the cycle if I increased the doses.
Originally Posted by ardbeg
What do I hope to gain? We I'd be happy if I could put on and keep 5Kg at this stage (more would be better, but I'd settle for that).
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