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    NPP VS. Straight Deca?
    What are the thoughts on this? I hear from guys that Deca is the way to go and NPP gave them nothing. Then I hear NPP gives great gains much faster and allows for a fast escape if needed. I realize it's different strokes for different folks, but what is the general consensus?

    The scenario is this: I'm 50 and in pretty damn good shape thanks to testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), so I don't have to worry about coming off or post cycle therapy (pct). I'm not looking for monster gains, but a good 4-5 lbs of muscle mass, with the least sides, especially bloat would be nice. (Not to mention possible Deca dick obviously)

    I'm honestly a little bit of a pussy when it comes to new compounds, due to a severe reaction I had unrelated to this. It's a mental thing I guess, but still makes me cautious. I researched the hell outta Tren and decided it's to big a risk at my age so I'm going NPP or Deca.

    What are your opinions whether good, bad or ugly?
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    imo its the same compound just with different esters

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    Quote Originally Posted by brother bundy View Post
    imo its the same compound just with different esters
    Correct... it is. That's why I get confused by some that see great results with Deca and none with NPP and vice versa. I know that Deca takes a lot longer and stays in the system a lot longer, so maybe that's makes the difference, I honestly don't know, but I'm a selfish prick and want it all. You know, monster gains and no sides, but we all know that probably won't happen. So as a result, I thought I would elicit some feedback from those that have possibly gone both ways.

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    Go NPP bro, much less bloat and if you do run into sides (deca dick) you can adjust dosage accordingly. With deca you'll be stuck for a couple weeks before you can control any sides.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2rude4u View Post
    What are the thoughts on this? I hear from guys that Deca is the way to go and NPP gave them nothing. Then I hear NPP gives great gains much faster and allows for a fast escape if needed. I realize it's different strokes for different folks, but what is the general consensus?

    The scenario is this: I'm 50 and in pretty damn good shape thanks to testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), so I don't have to worry about coming off or post cycle therapy (pct). I'm not looking for monster gains, but a good 4-5 lbs of muscle mass, with the least sides, especially bloat would be nice. (Not to mention possible Deca dick obviously)

    I'm honestly a little bit of a pussy when it comes to new compounds, due to a severe reaction I had unrelated to this. It's a mental thing I guess, but still makes me cautious. I researched the hell outta Tren and decided it's to big a risk at my age so I'm going NPP or Deca.

    What are your opinions whether good, bad or ugly?
    seems to me NPP would be a better option for you ... many say NPP has less bloat .. gains come faster cuz of shorter ester.. and if you do happen to not like it , deca dik , w/e the case ... you can stop pinnning and be clear of it in a couple days ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2rude4u View Post
    Correct... it is. That's why I get confused by some that see great results with Deca and none with NPP and vice versa. I know that Deca takes a lot longer and stays in the system a lot longer, so maybe that's makes the difference, I honestly don't know, but I'm a selfish prick and want it all. You know, monster gains and no sides, but we all know that probably won't happen. So as a result, I thought I would elicit some feedback from those that have possibly gone both ways.
    I believe in matching esters so longs with longs shorts with shorts..I know plenty who ran deca with test had no sides and great results.My next cycle after this one will be deca test dbol I dont really care if it hangs around long sure it makes recovery harder but fuck it Im not getting drug tested most who get drug tested will go with npp.Dont have fear of sides it wont kill u

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    Quote Originally Posted by brother bundy View Post
    I believe in matching esters so longs with longs shorts with shorts..I know plenty who ran deca with test had no sides and great results.My next cycle after this one will be deca test dbol I dont really care if it hangs around long sure it makes recovery harder but fuck it Im not getting drug tested most who get drug tested will go with npp.Dont have fear of sides it wont kill u
    I have to disagree bro... if I can't get my my regular from the old lady it may kill me! Lol...

    Seriouly thou... at my age I can still hang with the toughest of the young fucks, but it comes at an expense. I get anxiety easily and some things just seem to agressively exaserbate it. Like I said it's mental, but at the same time I do realize that I cannot recoup as quickly as I used to.

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    with what your asking for why not try Anavar (var) ? your testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) doc may even prescribe it

    no bloat, clean slow and steady pretty keepable lean gains, with real Anavar (var) 4-5 lb conservative goal

    or primo

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    Quote Originally Posted by clsmth700 View Post
    with what your asking for why not try Anavar (var) ? your testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) doc may even prescribe it

    no bloat, clean slow and steady pretty keepable lean gains, with real Anavar (var) 4-5 lb conservative goal

    or primo
    thats a good suggestion imo... primo and/or Anavar (var)
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2rude4u View Post
    I have to disagree bro... if I can't get my my regular from the old lady it may kill me! Lol...

    Seriouly thou... at my age I can still hang with the toughest of the young fucks, but it comes at an expense. I get anxiety easily and some things just seem to agressively exaserbate it. Like I said it's mental, but at the same time I do realize that I cannot recoup as quickly as I used to.
    I dont have these problems...good luck

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    Run some npp, if you dont like it or the sides it will leave your system alot faster. Just match the esters like mentioned above, and you should be good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hothead View Post
    Run some npp, if you dont like it or the sides it will leave your system alot faster. Just match the esters like mentioned above, and you should be good.
    Are you saying test cyp & NPP do not go together?

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    Deca is better, don't ask me why.

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    my last cycle was test p 400 10wks npp 300 8weeks and i saw nice lean gains on it while running a restricted calorie diet. Also it lubed my elbow and kneed joints really well as i noticed my usual pain come back shortly after stopping the npp.

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    Npp

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    NPP is commonly referred to as a "kickstarter" because of it's short ester. Start with NPP, this will kickstart your cycle. You aren't going to have problems with "deca Dick" while on test. Even if you do, cabergoline will take care of it (also known as anti-p). Because NPP has such a short ester, you will have to pin ed, or eod. Once you know you are happy with the NPP progress, then switch to deca-dura. Then you will only have to pin once a week like your test cyp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tripwire3400 View Post
    NPP is commonly referred to as a "kickstarter" because of it's short ester. Start with NPP, this will kickstart your cycle. You aren't going to have problems with "deca Dick" while on test. Even if you do, cabergoline will take care of it (also known as anti-p). Because NPP has such a short ester, you will have to pin ed, or eod. Once you know you are happy with the NPP progress, then switch to deca-dura. Then you will only have to pin once a week like your test cyp.
    That actually sounds like a damn good idea. How would you suggest I roll into the deca to eliminate any down time? I would have run NPP & deca concurrently for some amount of time right?

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    Same shit. You'll bloat on either. Go with NPP cause of the ester length.

    Stacks perfectly with TPP.

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    I have run both and am on Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) like you. Less bloat with NPP, quicker ramp up to it taking effect, and I felt like it had less of an impact on my cardio than deca does. In sufficient doses I'd much prefer NPP. The problem for me is cost. A solid cycle with deca is relatively cheap. If you want to run between 400 - 500 mg of NPP each week it's going to at least double your cost. Having run deca multiple times, NPP and tren once, my favorite going forward will be NPP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by THE-DET-OAK View Post
    Deca is better, don't ask me why.
    Why? Lol

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    NPP for sure, use it 8-10 weeks minimum , and you dont need to wait for 3 weeks to start PCT

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    Ill be running a dbol Sustanon (sust) and npp cycle for 12 weeks. Does this look good for the does i inject. M/W/F?

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    I would go WITH NPP... it reacts much quicker.. ALSO clears the system quicker... you HAVE ALOT more control with NPP.. opposed to using DECA. THEN again it can ALL come down to... do you want to inject less? Thats when something like DECA has its benefits. NPP has less water retention THAN something like DECA does.

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