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    Masteron, anavar, or deca for this cycle?
    Hi guys,

    This will be my 4th cycle. The first two were testE and dbol. Third one was testE, deca, dbol.
    I am 26, 5'10", float around 200lbs. I am planning to run testE again but still can't decide if or what to add. I have read rave reviews for pinns Anavar and I am considering that, but I have also been reading on mast.
    The reason I am considering deca again is because I know my gear from last cycle was way underdoZed. But I don't think I want to be on for 16-20 weeks again. Preferrably will do 12 week cycle.

    This cycle will include a lot of cardio (running and swimming). So I am looking for strength and sustainable gains.

    Test will be ran at 600mg/wk if ran with another compound or 750mg/wk if I run it alone. Also will run dbol 50mg/day for the first 4/5 weeks.

    Im looking for opinions so tell me what you think.

    (Didn't include pct here but ill probably run aromasin throughout and clomid again)

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    Kick start it with some anavar for 4 weeks and then run some mast the last 8!

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    Buy u would have to drop the dbol in the front. Var is great for cardio

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    Yup I would drop the dbol and add Var and Mast...but if you are in love with dbol then just add Mast..

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    I haven't found a reasonable dosage for the first time using mast. I know if has to be pinned EOD, but what dosage would you all that have used it recommend? Also, what is the reasoning behind having to drop the dbol if running var.... liver health?

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    Ya I would be worried about my liver...people do much dumber shit tho...
    As for mast 300-500mg/week is where most run it... I just started a strength/cut cycle of test@250, mast@350 weekly.

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    Is that typical to run it at a higher dose than test? And do you run a short ester test like prop since you are having to pin more frequently anyways?

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    i dont understand your goals - bulk or cut?
    your all over the place mast or deca? much diff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Tors View Post
    i dont understand your goals - bulk or cut?
    your all over the place mast or deca? much diff.
    Yeah sorry for that. I never really try to "bulk" because I think that implies non quality gains. The main reason I was considering deca again is because I don't feel I really got to experience its effects last time. Im more interested in its joint benefits than the bulking benefits as I like to squat and dead lift heavy on cycle and know a lot of people use it for that purpose. But I have been doing a lot of running and swimming as well sincey last cycle and will continue to in this one. So I could go either way. Maybe what I'm really trying to ask is which compound would benefit most when lifting heavy but also doing quite a bit of cardio?

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    quality gains are going to come from a clean diet. make sure ur cals are up

    do the var and mast

    deca isnt goint to protect u tendons joints all that much. all aas weakens tendons
    hgh or ghrp is want u want for that.

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    No point of running mast if your not under 10% bf. RUnning anavar is nice if you were more cutting and looking for lean gains. Deca can be used for lean gains depending on how clean your diet is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Furiously Skinny View Post
    Is that typical to run it at a higher dose than test? And do you run a short ester test like prop since you are having to pin more frequently anyways?
    Nah it's not typical but I bloat up really easy from test even with an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and I'm gyno sensitive so I thought this would be a perfect cut cycle for me...my test is a prop/phenyl/enan blend and my mast is a prop/enan blend...I've been pinning E3D (only 1week in) but I'm thinking bout pinning EOD

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    Ok I think I have it narrowed down to these 2 cycles:
    Option 1: 12 weeks
    Test E @ 750mg/wk
    Mast @ 300mg/wk
    I would pin EOD 250 testE and 100 mast.
    Possibly dbol 50mg/day to get it going?
    (Just because I have it on hand.)

    Option 2:12 weeks
    TestE @ 750mg/wk
    Anavar last 6 weeks @ 50mg/day

    Or should I combine them?

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    dont do dbol and deca if ur plans are to do a lot of cardio.... they like thicken ur blood or some shit, idk if im wrong someone will correct me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Furiously Skinny View Post
    Ok I think I have it narrowed down to these 2 cycles:
    Option 1: 12 weeks
    Test E @ 750mg/wk
    Mast @ 300mg/wk
    I would pin EOD 250 testE and 100 mast.
    Possibly dbol 50mg/day to get it going?
    (Just because I have it on hand.)

    Option 2:12 weeks
    TestE @ 750mg/wk
    Anavar last 6 weeks @ 50mg/day

    Or should I combine them?
    Whats your Bf% And if you want to stay lean as possible then run TBol over dbol and drop the mast if your not at least 10% or under and add the anavar

    12 weeks 750mg/week
    4week tbol 50mg ed
    last 6 weeks anavar 50mg ed

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    No its not under 10%. The scale says 14 but from pictures I would estimate 14-16%. So looks like Ill go the var route.
    I don't think I am going to do tbol but would you suggest getting some prop to kickstart? Here is what I am looking at

    TestE @750mg/wk 12 weeks
    Anavar @50mg/day last 6 weeks
    Aromisin (dose as needed) ed.
    PCT: Clomid 50,50,30,30
    Last edited by Furiously Skinny; 07-23-2012 at 02:02 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SonOfZeu$ View Post
    No point of running mast if your not under 10% bf. RUnning anavar is nice if you were more cutting and looking for lean gains. Deca can be used for lean gains depending on how clean your diet is.
    Na bf% isnt a concern with Mast. Its dht derived so you will see solid lean gains, no water retention, and hardness (provided diet and training are in check).

    Your right u can using anything to cut get lean gains but why bother its kinda harsh being that Deca is a 19-nor. I reserve these compounds for bulking just my choice ur not wrong. I c it this way its kinda like using a sledge hammer to hang a picture. Its gunna fucking work but you might have a hole in your wall when your done LOL
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    I think Mast is great to run in any cycle. Some lean gains, some strength, hardens you up, and makes you feel phenominal...never ran Tren but I like to think Mast is like the happy version of Tren, psychologically speaking.
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    So Tren is only for us dark, twisted, sick fucks ?!? .... So be it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hrnyfckr View Post
    So Tren is only for us dark, twisted, sick fucks ?!? .... So be it!
    Tren<3 haha, tren mast and prop sounds like a great cycle if your under 10%, at least i would only run mast if i was under 10% to get the full benefit of it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hrnyfckr View Post
    So Tren is only for us dark, twisted, sick fucks ?!? .... So be it!
    Tren<3 haha, tren mast and prop sounds like a great cycle if your under 10%, at least i would only run mast if i was under 10% to get the full benefit of it

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    im running a cycle i just started,

    Test cyp-750mg/week
    Deca-600mg/week
    Masteron Eth-400mg/week
    plus my ancillaries

    and my BF% is like 18-19%,the masteron will help free up more test,lower shbg,increase libido,hardness if lower bf and make you feel better,now it will not build mass,but it will synergize the other compunds and make them work more efficiently....i wont ever run another cycle without Masteron in there!!! i love it!!.....plus if you are thinking of using it for 8 weeks like you mentioned above and its of the eth ester,you better use prop cause it takes 5-6 weeks to work,and you will get most of your gains from week 6-12,you could run you anavar for the last 8 weeks and be safe

    the test/masteron/anavar would be sweet

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    Quote Originally Posted by Furiously Skinny View Post
    I haven't found a reasonable dosage for the first time using mast. I know if has to be pinned EOD, but what dosage would you all that have used it recommend? Also, what is the reasoning behind having to drop the dbol if running var.... liver health?
    you can get mast e it usually comes in 200mg/ml

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hrnyfckr View Post
    So Tren is only for us dark, twisted, sick fucks ?!? .... So be it!

    no way my next cycle is going to be tren 600, test 300, mast 400. My friend calls tren the elixir of the gods, says hold a vial out when zues pisses its surely tren thats coming out hahaha

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