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    Is it probable that AAS damaged/did this to my heart?
    A little background first. I'm 44, 230 lb 5-09. My AAS use started with testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) in JUly '11. In January I started taking 500 mg test cyp/enth every week. Gym gains came a little faster than before. In march, I dropped back to 100 mg e5d. In late may I upped the test to 500/wk, added 400 mg masteron enth and 200 mg of tri tren. In June I fought brochitis for the whole month using several antibiotics to finally kick it. I stopped the tri tren at this time, but kept the test/mast combo going. My cardiovascular capacity had diminished to a great degree. I also experimented with some clen about this time, nevrer going above 80 mcg/day for about 2 weeks.

    I started having problems sleeping, had night sweats and felt tired al the time. I stopped all hormone inj thinking maybe that was not helping my health. Last weekend I went to ER because i was getting winded just walking up stairs or talking. The doctors ran some tests)(blood tests, ekg, ecg) and found out I was retaining water arounf my heart/lung area and started lasix, the peeing drug. In less than 12 hours I peed out 1.5 gal.I stayed the night in hosp and slept better than I had in weeks. The diagnosis was mild congestive heart failure due to a possible transient bug than damaged by heart temporarily.

    I have an appt with my primary doc tomorrow and want to see a cardiologist for a full workup and stress test. Today I feel decent, still on lasix. 10 days after I stopped the test inj I am taking nolvs 50 mg/day and Clomid 100 mg, dropping that in half this weekend.

    Can the compounds I was taking contribute to these health problems?? I have never had any heart problem in my life, or anxiety isssues like the ones that were keeping me from sleeping.
    Since going to hospital last weekend I feel better, but I always feel kinda weak, slightly shaky like my blood sugar is low. Even after I eat. I feel like I'm on a caffeine/ephedrine stack. Not sure if its related, but its how ifeel.

    Any ideas? This is quite a story, and I know I may of screwed up big time

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    Ur estrogen may have skyrocketed. I didn't see that u where running a Aromatase inhibitor (AI). Can't tell without bloodwork but just a idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mistah187 View Post
    Ur estrogen may have skyrocketed. I didn't see that u where running a Aromatase inhibitor (AI). Can't tell without bloodwork but just a idea.
    I was taking .5 mg adex eod when on test.mast,tren. Also didnt have any gyno issues at all.I have a little caber on hand but havent taken any yet. I'm curious what too much prolactin "feels" like?

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    From what I've heard..Tren can make you labor for air..it kills cardio and makes night sweats,hard to sleep.Those are the tren symptoms.

    I guess your tren was dose related.Some people cannot handle tren for the first time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duke30 View Post
    From what I've heard..Tren can make you labor for air..it kills cardio and makes night sweats,hard to sleep.Those are the tren symptoms.

    I guess your tren was dose related.Some people cannot handle tren for the first time.
    Well Tren is def a compound where it's either u can handle the sides or u cant
    as u stated the anxiety, depression, sleepness, night sweets are all bad sides of tren, some people think tren is like taking test but in reality if they take a high dose of tren start to have horrible sides!, i would say lesson learned about tren bro, maybe u shouldnt cycle again with tren!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt0071 View Post
    Well Tren is def a compound where it's either u can handle the sides or u cant
    as u stated the anxiety, depression, sleepness, night sweets are all bad sides of tren, some people think tren is like taking test but in reality if they take a high dose of tren start to have horrible sides!, i would say lesson learned about tren bro, maybe u shouldnt cycle again with tren!
    the tren was 150mg/ml and I was taking a very Conservative amount of 1/2 ml 2x/week. As soon as the water around my heart my heart was gone, I felt 80% better.
    I believe that alone led to the "tren sides". Now maybe the tren is what caused the water around my heart. Cant be for sure, but I wont be cycling tren anymore. The gains wasnt wrth the sides in my case

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    i am not knocking tren at all, cause i can cycle with tren and doesnt bother me that much, but depends what your goals are bro, u can cut or bulk ( whatever u choose) just fine with a Test Only Cycle
    as of right now i am cutting on a Test only cycle of Test C at 400mg a week, just gotta keep a strict diet and myself do 10-15 min of cardio daily after my intense workout of an hour
    Limit my carb intake, up my protein intake, and watch my sodium intake as well!

    My strength is off the roof, holding the lean muscle and sheddin the bf
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    Doubt it. COPD is not typically caused by AAS especially at low doses. The problems usually happen from bp too high for too long, liver disease, etc. If you had some underlying issue then maybe but not cause.

    Trt will not hurt you or damage you heart or worsen you condition.

    Good luck and It's nothing to play with, a good friend of mine developed this and it was almost a year before he saw a doc, he thought he had a cold or bronchitis then went to hospital.

    he never touched AAS, but was a smoker and a bit of a drinker, maybe some genetic heart issues he didn't know of but 6 months out of the hospital he dropped dead in front of a group of our friends. We did CPR for 25-30 minutes waiting on EMS, he was gone.

    So be very careful and see you doc regularly, stay off the cycles, testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) I would stay on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carverelli View Post
    In June I fought brochitis for the whole month using several antibiotics to finally kick it.
    No, (not directly) I think its an infection around the heart due the brochitis...I would guess the CT scan, stress test, EKG will proably come back normal. Hang in there brother. Try to stay relaxed you will be fine... Update us good luck!

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    It is the estrogen. switch to letro or something stranger.
    The term "sell out comes from progressives" It is propaganda to make your feel better about not having the opportunities they have taken away. I was raised to succeed. Opportunity is wealth of prosperity. Fight the power! .....LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dread Pirate Roberts View Post
    It is the estrogen. switch to letro or something stranger.

    Yes, Letrozole is quite strange.










    err....strong, i mean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carverelli View Post
    A little background first. I'm 44, 230 lb 5-09. My AAS use started with testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) in JUly '11. In January I started taking 500 mg test cyp/enth every week. Gym gains came a little faster than before. In march, I dropped back to 100 mg e5d. In late may I upped the test to 500/wk, added 400 mg masteron enth and 200 mg of tri tren. In June I fought brochitis for the whole month using several antibiotics to finally kick it. I stopped the tri tren at this time, but kept the test/mast combo going. My cardiovascular capacity had diminished to a great degree. I also experimented with some clen about this time, nevrer going above 80 mcg/day for about 2 weeks.

    I started having problems sleeping, had night sweats and felt tired al the time. I stopped all hormone inj thinking maybe that was not helping my health. Last weekend I went to ER because i was getting winded just walking up stairs or talking. The doctors ran some tests)(blood tests, ekg, ecg) and found out I was retaining water arounf my heart/lung area and started lasix, the peeing drug. In less than 12 hours I peed out 1.5 gal.I stayed the night in hosp and slept better than I had in weeks. The diagnosis was mild congestive heart failure due to a possible transient bug than damaged by heart temporarily.

    I have an appt with my primary doc tomorrow and want to see a cardiologist for a full workup and stress test. Today I feel decent, still on lasix. 10 days after I stopped the test inj I am taking nolvs 50 mg/day and Clomid 100 mg, dropping that in half this weekend.

    Can the compounds I was taking contribute to these health problems?? I have never had any heart problem in my life, or anxiety isssues like the ones that were keeping me from sleeping.
    Since going to hospital last weekend I feel better, but I always feel kinda weak, slightly shaky like my blood sugar is low. Even after I eat. I feel like I'm on a caffeine/ephedrine stack. Not sure if its related, but its how ifeel.

    Any ideas? This is quite a story, and I know I may of screwed up big time
    for in red:
    DUDE you wher eput on Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) because you needed it and had low T, stopping all injects now what you DID have is now shut down and "your running on fumes"
    I dont think that had to do with heart. but I wanted ot point that out.
    also Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) is not aas cycling.
    stick to HRT.

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    clomid and nolvadex also have sides.
    if youwhere put on Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT), then evne with clomid and nolvadex (PCT) you may not recover. you need to be put back on YOUR Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) DOSE OF TEST! and watched by a doc.
    dont do anything other then what your doc says.

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    Good luck man!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt0071 View Post
    Well Tren is def a compound where it's either u can handle the sides or u cant
    as u stated the anxiety, depression, sleepness, night sweets are all bad sides of tren, some people think tren is like taking test but in reality if they take a high dose of tren start to have horrible sides!, i would say lesson learned about tren bro, maybe u shouldnt cycle again with tren!
    agreed!

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    the diagnosis seems fairly clear "mild congestive heart failure due to possible transient bug that damaged your heart temporarily"

    The lack of sleep and other sides can definitely be attributed to tren.

    With that said, I wish you a speedy recovery. Let things normalize for a good while before considering adding compounds back etc.


    Quote Originally Posted by carverelli View Post
    A little background first. I'm 44, 230 lb 5-09. My AAS use started with testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) in JUly '11. In January I started taking 500 mg test cyp/enth every week. Gym gains came a little faster than before. In march, I dropped back to 100 mg e5d. In late may I upped the test to 500/wk, added 400 mg masteron enth and 200 mg of tri tren. In June I fought brochitis for the whole month using several antibiotics to finally kick it. I stopped the tri tren at this time, but kept the test/mast combo going. My cardiovascular capacity had diminished to a great degree. I also experimented with some clen about this time, nevrer going above 80 mcg/day for about 2 weeks.

    I started having problems sleeping, had night sweats and felt tired al the time. I stopped all hormone inj thinking maybe that was not helping my health. Last weekend I went to ER because i was getting winded just walking up stairs or talking. The doctors ran some tests)(blood tests, ekg, ecg) and found out I was retaining water arounf my heart/lung area and started lasix, the peeing drug. In less than 12 hours I peed out 1.5 gal.I stayed the night in hosp and slept better than I had in weeks. The diagnosis was mild congestive heart failure due to a possible transient bug than damaged by heart temporarily.

    I have an appt with my primary doc tomorrow and want to see a cardiologist for a full workup and stress test. Today I feel decent, still on lasix. 10 days after I stopped the test inj I am taking nolvs 50 mg/day and Clomid 100 mg, dropping that in half this weekend.

    Can the compounds I was taking contribute to these health problems?? I have never had any heart problem in my life, or anxiety isssues like the ones that were keeping me from sleeping.
    Since going to hospital last weekend I feel better, but I always feel kinda weak, slightly shaky like my blood sugar is low. Even after I eat. I feel like I'm on a caffeine/ephedrine stack. Not sure if its related, but its how ifeel.

    Any ideas? This is quite a story, and I know I may of screwed up big time

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    Just drop the tren and stay on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) doses and you should be good. Good luck and hope you get better!

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    I'm curious to know if you have heart disease of any kind in your family? Would you consider yourself at risk for any reason?

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    just curious man but did you tell the doctors about all your med use, and did they put you on the nolvadex or clomid, or you did that on your own?
    anyway, feel better man.

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    Brother I'm no doctor so the following is my opion: it was probobly caused by the bug you had. Now, about the tren. In my research (pure broscince - limited to what I have read...I'm not a doctor) tren is a young mans compound and a harsh one for even young men.
    I read resently some of cashouts philosophies one of them that comes to mind is (paraphrasing here) "you have to consider risk vs. reward".IMO (im not a dr) There are other compounds that will give you similar results (new muscles cells even running a cut) that are old man friendly. I'm part over the over 40 crowd and tren is off the table.
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    red boxes under my name
    am I in that much trouble, that I have different color boxes under my name? is it just me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by grind4it View Post
    Brother I'm no doctor so the following is my opion: it was probobly caused by the bug you had. Now, about the tren. In my research (pure broscince - limited to what I have read...I'm not a doctor) tren is a young mans compound and a harsh one for even young men.
    I read resently some of cashouts philosophies one of them that comes to mind is (paraphrasing here) "you have to consider risk vs. reward".IMO (im not a dr) There are other compounds that will give you similar results (new muscles cells even running a cut) that are old man friendly. I'm part over the over 40 crowd and tren is off the table.
    About 16 days after last test inj which was tuesday I pinned 250 mg test cyp cuz I started feeling lousy. So ya, gonna continue the testosterone replacement therapy (TRT). I'm convinced the bronchitis that lingered is causing the fluid retention around my heart. They did an echocardiogram in the hospital and found I had "reduced cardiac ejection fraction". Basically the left ventricle doesn't pump what it should, so fluid backs up

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harnold View Post
    just curious man but did you tell the doctors about all your med use, and did they put you on the nolvadex or clomid, or you did that on your own?
    anyway, feel better man.

    I told my cardiologist about my testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dosages @ 100 mg every week at my appt yesterday. Didnt go into the 500 mg/wk and the 400 mg/week of masteron or any of the tren.
    at this point it doesnt really matter what caused my problems because it needs to be fixed.

    More test in a couple weeks- an angiogram and a tee test. So far my cardio doc thinks my aortic valve is leaking. So my heart is working harder to pump the same blood. He told me valves dont fix themselves, and ill prolly need it replaced.... which means open heart surgery..yikes!!

    in 2003, I had an echocardiogram(ultrasound) done and the problem existed then, but now it lots worse. It does seem peculiar that it got to the point that I notice decreased cardio function when i was on the juice. Maybe I cou8ld have avioded this for some time, but I think eventually it would have come to this(valve replacement)

    in my opinion it possible the mast, tren and clen moved the valve deterioration at a faster pace.

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    as rick james would say " TREN IS A HELL OF A DRUG!!" haha sorry couldnt help myself .

    ive had bad asthma all my life , which made me very prone to bronchitis & pneumonia at times....the liquid retained in your lungs very well may have been from that bug that u probably didnt fully recover from.. there have been a few times i had to take some strong ass antibiotics, felt good by day 10 & then relapse even worse a week later & felt like i was drowning.. but also the liquid retention around your heart sounds like mild CHF. the other sides sound like tren. & estrogen. repectfully, whats a guy your age doing with a drug like tren?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zephyr_987 View Post
    as rick james would say " TREN IS A HELL OF A DRUG!!" haha sorry couldnt help myself .

    ive had bad asthma all my life , which made me very prone to bronchitis & pneumonia at times....the liquid retained in your lungs very well may have been from that bug that u probably didnt fully recover from.. there have been a few times i had to take some strong ass antibiotics, felt good by day 10 & then relapse even worse a week later & felt like i was drowning.. but also the liquid retention around your heart sounds like mild CHF. the other sides sound like tren. & estrogen. repectfully, whats a guy your age doing with a drug like tren?
    I was dabbling in tren, thinking maybe 150-200 mg a week would help me harden up without the sides.

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