Losing body fat with test & deca?

[moneymanmichael]

Okay guys, I am probably opening myself up to a flood of flamers, but I have a question.

I have on hand 10-12 weeks of test & deca, but I am not wanting to increase my calories and gain a lot of fat. I want to decrease my body fat % at a rapid weight.

Is this possible with the 500mg test/400mg deca 10-12wk cycle?

If not, what SHOULD I be doing?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

[DADAWG]

diet is 99% of what decides bulk or cut , YES you can cut on test deca.

[moneymanmichael]

I eat 5-6 meals a day, fist size portions.
Each meal consist of
Egg whites, oats, & coffee
OR
either chicken breast/grilled eye of round steak with sweet potatoe & broccoli/green beans

Thats literally it. Sometimes I throw out the potatoe though, especially at night time.

I am following Kris Gethins 90 day fat loss plan on Bodybuilding.com

I just didn't know if it was kind of pointless to take test/deca with this or not, but if it will help a lot, then I am sure as hell going to do it.

[DADAWG]

I eat 5-6 meals a day, fist size portions.
Each meal consist of
Egg whites, oats, & coffee
OR
either chicken breast/grilled eye of round steak with sweet potatoe & broccoli/green beans

Thats literally it. Sometimes I throw out the potatoe though, especially at night time.

I am following Kris Gethins 90 day fat loss plan on Bodybuilding.com

I just didn't know if it was kind of pointless to take test/deca with this or not, but if it will help a lot, then I am sure as hell going to do it.

post up in the diet forum here and se if you can get the moderator 3J to review your diet plan , hes the resident diet guru.

[moneymanmichael]

Well I mean I trust Kris Gethin's diet plan, he's a pro and shows day by day how get got ripped in 90 days on this program, I just needed to know if test/deca cycle would aid in the process, and if so how much? Like will it make a HUGE difference like it would if I was using it to bulk?

[Chi23]

it will help prevent muscle loss but your diet will decide the cut

[moneymanmichael]

Okay cool, so it wont make me bloated and retain a ton of water weight? Also, you don't think i'll see any muscle gains?

[juced_porkchop]

diet is 99% of what decides bulk or cut , YES you can cut on test deca.

I was just going to say this myself also!

[juced_porkchop]

Okay cool, so it wont make me bloated and retain a ton of water weight? Also, you don't think i'll see any muscle gains?

why would that matter? that has nothing to do with fatloss.... its just water... if bloat is an issue then find somthing what wont bloat as much like: teste, Maste and an AI. or teste, trene ect.

the bloat will go away after cycle.

[juced_porkchop]

I would not think it would bloat you much with that cycle. but an AI (which I have a feeling you dont know what it is) and a PCT should ALWAYS be on hand BEFORE the start of the cycle.

also maybe you would like T3 or Albuterol for fatloss? along with cycle?
its a nice combo: Thermogenics - Ancillaries

[moneymanmichael]

I didn't say it would matter, I was just asking.

[juced_porkchop]

also do you know how to deal with deca gyno?
have you done a cycle before?

[juced_porkchop]

I didn't say it would matter, I was just asking.

yes it may bloat you up a bit. no horrible like drol or dbol, I mean I ran it and didnt really notice any bloat at 300mg ew and 500mg teste ew.
sometimes the persons genetics effects things like bloat etc. so one guy might feel very bloated and the next guy nothing at all.

[moneymanmichael]

I'm not sure what an AI is, I know what gyno is but no I don't know how to deal with it. I've done a cycle before and I don't have gyno.

[moneymanmichael]

Ok so AI stands for Aromatise Inhibitor, but what kind should I take, where do I get it, and how do I know when & if to take it?

[moneymanmichael]

There's so much contradicting information on google that I would much rather talk to an individual and find out exactly what I am suppose to be doing.

[Matt0071]

u can def cut on just a test Only cycle bro, depends on your diet and training, i added in 10 min of cardio daily after my intense workouts and been shedding the bf and keeping my strength and muscle is obviously getting more defined!
on my 5th week of test C 400mg/week
deca is awesome for joints as well
But as for an AI, i never take an AI during a test Only cycle, thats just me tho!, but if i do add in dif compounds (stack) i def run an AI

[moneymanmichael]

Ok Matt so you think it would just make more sense to use test only? like 500mg/wk for 10-12 weeks? Don't use an AI, and then just cycle off with clomid? What about HCG? Why is this shit so confusing? lol

[Matt0071]

not telling u to not run an AI bro
i have previous cycles under my belt but not only that i myself just do not run an AI during a test Only Cycle where alot of people do, to each there own, but for u i would def run an AI being your first cycle thus keep it simple : test Only Cycle
Sample

test C or E ( 3 Viles)
Arimidex ( AI)
clomid and Nolvadex for PCT ( 1 bottle of each)

3 vials of test C or E will give u a good 12 week run or more depending on the mg's u wanna run a week!

Simple bro!

It really is simple bro, the hardest part about cycling is working with your brain of being patient and giving it time to kick in, exspecially test C or E, usually takes around 4-5 weeks to kick in, but all and all, def dont run anything under a 10 week cycle for test C or E
Keep your Diet in check, watch your sodium intake and keep hydrated ( drink lots of water) to keep water retention to a minium!
Alot of people think u get bloated from drinking way to much water but in reality it's caused from lack of water!

I love drinking water, dont keep it plain, lol, i buy the lemon juice and mix that in my water, taste awesome!

[DADAWG]

Okay cool, so it wont make me bloated and retain a ton of water weight? Also, you don't think i'll see any muscle gains?

even if you bloat , the water is temporary . gaining muscle while cutting is iffy at best.

[juced_porkchop]

Ok so AI stands for Aromatise Inhibitor, but what kind should I take, where do I get it, and how do I know when & if to take it?

AI is for estorgen control and even if you end up not feeling you needed it you should ALWAYS have an AI on hand when on cycle. if you get gyno/ breast development you might only get rid of it by having a doc cut it out.

this can be avoided with an AI

also do you know what PCT is? i would say that is a must.

A SERM like nolvadex/Tamox or clomid would be a PCT.

Where do you get? I highly rec this place, I have been using them for years for research studies:

LINK To rui-products : Aromatase Inhibitors - Ancillaries

I highly rec the STANE at 12-25mg ed to eod for on cycle use.
and Clomi 2weeks after deca / 1 week after test is stopped you start for 3-5 weeks at 35-75mg ed.
stop the AI at the start or midway through PCT.

Hope that helps a bit

[juced_porkchop]

even if you bloat , the water is temporary . gaining muscle while cutting is iffy at best.

Agreed, pick bulking or cutting, but bother with both you will most likely end up with less results regardless how you cut it..

[juced_porkchop]

Ok Matt so you think it would just make more sense to use test only? like 500mg/wk for 10-12 weeks? Don't use an AI, and then just cycle off with clomid? What about HCG? Why is this shit so confusing? lol

dude AI is for estrogen and estrogen related gyno.
deca causes gyno another way and you might need something like this: Prolactin Antagonizers - Ancillaries

I really don't think you are ready to be using any steroids.

I STRONGLY suggest you do a test only cycle with an AI on hand and PCT ready. leave the deca alone. and see how you do with just a simple test cycle for 12-14 weeks at 400-600mg ew.

but I think you should take some time to research alot more before doing anything

[BigKevKris]

Since we are all on this topic....How high of a test dose do you run on a cut? I just started 750/week test E......with 12.5mg Exem ED. Think This will work OK for me...obviously in a caloric deficit.....just never run test to cut before. Usually just do it natty.

[Matt0071]

myself just running 400mg of test C, and keeping a good diet that consist of chicken/fish, alot of greens, and limiting my carbs like potato's and rice
adding 10-15 min of daily cardio after weight training is what i do as well when i cut!
seems to work wonders!
cheers bro