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    Perpetual (year round) cycle
    We run Test cycles at say 12-14 weeks but I know some of the biggggg guys run year round. How do they do it?

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    keep pinning? I have gotten away from 12/14 week cycles in favor of 20week then on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) so technicaly I guess I could be considered on all year round.

    I don't consider testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) as being on any thing though! I met people taht do all year on actuall cycles. It dose work I wouldn't even want to think about what coming off some day would be like. I think it would be a nightmare.

    I would like to here from fellow members that do this I know we have a few! I won't spout names lets see if they come forward! I am intrested in how they do it as well.

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    Dude I'm already on a lifetime supply of paxil/xanax/viagra. Might as well add testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) to it

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    I pulled it off once. 52 week cycle. It wasn't my finest hour...

    Pros: low doses (300 mg per week test e) gave good gains without many sides. Growth was pretty consistent. If growth stalled, I added 50mgs per week. Never went over 500mg.

    Cons: the nightmare of coming off was always in the back of your mind. It plays hell on the mind. Then the nightmare comes true. 20 weeks of sexual issues. 8 weeks no boner. 4 weeks of half boners. Billions of cialis and Viagra pills. A couple of Ill fated penis pump accidents. Muscle falling off like lemmings off a damn cliff.

    Results were hard to evaluate. Some points during the year, I was cutting. Some points, I was bulking. No single mindset.

    Overall: it was worth it. The average cost per day was MUCH lower and I didn't have to worry about PCT constantly. Life was good...for a year. Then horrible for half of a year.

    You be the judge. Godspeed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by joliver View Post
    I pulled it off once. 52 week cycle. It wasn't my finest hour...

    Pros: low doses (300 mg per week test e) gave good gains without many sides. Growth was pretty consistent. If growth stalled, I added 50mgs per week. Never went over 500mg.

    Cons: the nightmare of coming off was always in the back of your mind. It plays hell on the mind. Then the nightmare comes true. 20 weeks of sexual issues. 8 weeks no boner. 4 weeks of half boners. Billions of cialis and Viagra pills. A couple of Ill fated penis pump accidents. Muscle falling off like lemmings off a damn cliff.

    Results were hard to evaluate. Some points during the year, I was cutting. Some points, I was bulking. No single mindset.

    Overall: it was worth it. The average cost per day was MUCH lower and I didn't have to worry about PCT constantly. Life was good...for a year. Then horrible for half of a year.

    You be the judge. Godspeed!
    After that half year of hell did you get your test levels checked?

    You might as well have just stayed on a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose after that

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    Did you use HCG at all during that year?

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    Quote Originally Posted by joliver View Post
    I pulled it off once. 52 week cycle. It wasn't my finest hour...

    Pros: low doses (300 mg per week test e) gave good gains without many sides. Growth was pretty consistent. If growth stalled, I added 50mgs per week. Never went over 500mg.

    Cons: the nightmare of coming off was always in the back of your mind. It plays hell on the mind. Then the nightmare comes true. 20 weeks of sexual issues. 8 weeks no boner. 4 weeks of half boners. Billions of cialis and Viagra pills. A couple of Ill fated penis pump accidents. Muscle falling off like lemmings off a damn cliff.

    Results were hard to evaluate. Some points during the year, I was cutting. Some points, I was bulking. No single mindset.

    Overall: it was worth it. The average cost per day was MUCH lower and I didn't have to worry about PCT constantly. Life was good...for a year. Then horrible for half of a year.

    You be the judge. Godspeed!
    what's the point if it's such a low dose? you could've ruined your endogenous test for 300mg?! if you're going to ruin yourself go out like a badass. but good job recovering from that, I don't know if I would be able to.

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    If you plan to compete or are already on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), then by all means, stay on. If you're just wanting to stay on for the hell of it, that's ignorant.
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    Blood work should dictate everything.

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    like mike said. i was 380 test levels before this cycle. one month after post cycle therapy (pct) i will get bloods that will determine whether i go to trt.

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    I'm on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) at 210mg E5D, but that's just to keep the levels normal, not to elevate them (ok, they're SLIGHTLY elevated, but nothing like an actual cycle). Because I spent so long at low T levels, I am actually putting on quite a bit of mass at that low dose. It all depends on your hopes, wishes, dreams... and hormone levels.

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    Hi spongy ur avatar is cool!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jadakiss View Post
    Hi spongy ur avatar is cool!
    haha thanks! it was given to me by Tnemo, so the credit is all his!

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    you could blast and cruise. not sure how recovery would be i guess..the longer your on..the harder its going to be. but then again..read chasout's Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) exit strategy thread..he was on for 2 years and managed to recover well using his pct (which i am also trying out now).

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    Quote Originally Posted by joliver View Post
    I pulled it off once. 52 week cycle. It wasn't my finest hour...

    Pros: low doses (300 mg per week test e) gave good gains without many sides. Growth was pretty consistent. If growth stalled, I added 50mgs per week. Never went over 500mg.

    Cons: the nightmare of coming off was always in the back of your mind. It plays hell on the mind. Then the nightmare comes true. 20 weeks of sexual issues. 8 weeks no boner. 4 weeks of half boners. Billions of cialis and Viagra pills. A couple of Ill fated penis pump accidents. Muscle falling off like lemmings off a damn cliff.

    Results were hard to evaluate. Some points during the year, I was cutting. Some points, I was bulking. No single mindset.

    Overall: it was worth it. The average cost per day was MUCH lower and I didn't have to worry about PCT constantly. Life was good...for a year. Then horrible for half of a year.

    You be the judge. Godspeed!
    This is ridiculous. You should have seen and endocrinologist or your gp at the least and had blood work.
    Doesn't sound worth it to me.

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    It was pretty stupid. But you know how it is...20 weeker plus divorce (3 months) then i ended up taking my professional engineering license test...didnt want to crash for that.

    It was never the plan to run a full year...it just turned out that way.

    But as a scientist, i always push the envelope, see the results. Adjust accordingly. The best experiments are performed on one's self--Bruce Banner, for example...

    Hey guys, i am not advocating it. But it is a method of running cheap juice. Plus, i shattered all of my PRs during the year. It was a good year.

    It may be one of those do as i say, not as i do scenarios....Dont do it.

    Did have my levels tested. After the year, i did come back. My test levels were roughly 500 or so after 6 months.

    Somebody has to be the test subject. Male birth control is a mixture of androgens and progesterone. It is in FDA trials. Some bright people must believe that it is possible to be on long term and still be capable of coming back.

    I dont care who you are, you have thought about it. If you havent imagined what it would be like to be metahuman for a year, try reading a superman comic.

    Remember, intelligent kids always touch the stove....experiential intelligence is hard fought but well worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shovel View Post
    If you plan to compete or are already on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), then by all means, stay on. If you're just wanting to stay on for the hell of it, that's ignorant.
    Agree with this 100 percent. Think of your health first.

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    I don't think it would be worth the risk personally. Unless your a pro, there's no point.

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    I'm just going to be real right now so take it how you want to and I'm not advocating anything.

    I have stayed on for a full year, did a 6 week pct, took two more weeks for blood work, then back on for 20 weeks.

    The majority of that was Test only, switching between E/C and Sustanon. I did use some tbol for a little while, some tren ace for a little while. Most of this was 750mg to 1g. When I added something, I reduced test to 750, then when it was just test it was 1g.

    I ran Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) pretty much the entire time. There were a couple times I ran out so I would blast to correct atrophy then back to low dose. I also ran an Aromatase inhibitor (AI).

    The important thing to note was I did have continuous blood work done, and I mean a lot, basically every 4-8 weeks, unless there was an issue. I had an estro problem one time with it too high, then over corrected and crashed it. I had labs 4 times in like a 5-6 week period.

    So let's look at the results. This started off great, I love test only cycles and that was really my intent, but with so much time on, I was piling up so much gear and I wanted to try the tbol so I did and it was decent. Then at a later time I added 300-350 tren ace and hardened up pretty good.

    So like any cycle, I was making good steady gains for a good 15-17 weeks, then it just leveled off. Adding tbol and tren both helped a little. I did drop to 250mg test for 2 weeks about 2 maybe 3 times.

    My bloodwork was actually surprisingly good. I eventually had elevated bp. I was able to get that down with supplements. My lipids were getting messed up, I was at a time where I didn't want to take any real bp or cholesterol meds so I worked on both with supps. My hemoglobin and hematocrit were slowly getting higher but honestly it want that high, when I got back on for 20 weeks, it was a test/deca and I could no longer control my bp or blood counts, all of which were getting very high.

    So not any real health problems, felt great the majority of the time, but I went thru a lot of lethargy. The gains for being on that long were not what I expected at all. It was like I made some gains, then was stuck at the same weight for a long time. Maybe if I had a better diet I could have kept gaining, training and strength was really good but I got to a point where I did not gain at all and this was the majority of the time. Adding tbol and tren made me harden up but nothing drastic and we know tren gives dramatic results.

    Now while I did basically just maintain, I was maintaining a good size and was pretty solid, vascular, people really were always asking what I was on but I honestly believe I would have progressed much better by breaking that into 3-4 cycles. I don't believe in receptors being saturated and all that and my blood work and check ups showed I was healthy. When it was just test, I really had good blood work but slowly lipids were getting worse even with supplements. I also ended up with more acne than ive ever had, not cystic but any is bad.

    When it came time for pct, I was tired of being on I blasted a good amount of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), used Torem and aromisin. I really didn't feel like I crashed that hard. I had a few rough days, libido was shitty, I could function but did not want to at all, and my woman is hot (yes it's conceited but true), and when you have a hot woman dressed up in little outfits trying to give it up, and all I wanted her to do was move out of the way of the tv. Lol. But that didn't last long.

    Overall it was very stupid, it was a waste of time and money. I could have made better gains cycling, I'm lucky it didn't cause any health issues, or maybe it did. Since that time, I now have a harder time controlling hemoglobin/hematocrit while on cycle.

    I also did drop a good 10 lbs almost instantly and I don't think it was all water, I looked really flat. So overall it wasn't a bad experience but when looking at it realistically it was stupid and a waste of time. Luckily about 2-3 weeks after pct total test was back in the 600 range. Pct was not that bad considering, but it had it's low points. Mentally I started to feel weak, weak because I had been on a gram of gear all year and while I looked good, I have been bigger on a normal cycle and I felt like I was depending on gear to train and I felt like I should have been much bigger for the amount of time I was on. Really I would have to continuously increase doses and add compounds if I would have wanted to keep making gains.

    I did not compete, and didn't have any clear set goals, just gear up and train hard, but I came to a point where I obviously didn't have the right diet to make better gains but I was getting very strong, or maybe just strong with gear.

    Since then I've pretty much only ran low doses. I recently finished a cycle of low doses for me with a good dose of primo and I made almost as good of gains on that. I have always been lucky and recover pretty easily after cycles, but what I proved to myself is you can rely on gear and look pretty good but eventually it will cause health issues with bp, lipids, blood counts, and spiral from there. I also realized that AAS are only a tool and there is simply no way around training and diet for real changes. Yes gear aids those very well, but if those aren't in place AAS won't do much.

    I have been around for 9-10 years or so with this, I actually get labs and take all the precautions I can and basically wanted to experiment. As the years go by, if you are trying to get bigger, you will see that gains become harder to come by. Even staying on a gram all year, your body seems to become use to that and you need to increase doses or change something. IMO it's not worth it, not what I expected it to be, I mean I did feel and look good but I expected more. Now that may just be saying I have shit genetics, or that your body tries to reach homeostasis and will compensate.

    There is a reason it's called cycling. I know some guys who stay on year after year, some are big, some really don't even look like they lift, most of them run test at 500-750 and then just add compounds in and out.

    I love to be on cycle but it wasn't all that. Do the work and you will get the real results. I'm sure there are some guys who would become freaky big running that much but I couldn't keep up with the dietary needs.
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