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    Exclamation AndroMass v3 is here -- Muscle, Strength & Power


    Ology members,

    The 3rd generation of AndroMass is here -- AndroMass v3

    Increasing muscle mass is nearly impossible without sufficient androgen levels. (1-8) AndroMass v3 delivers the strongest legal androgens found in the human body -- which pushes blood levels past the “androgen threshold” for new muscle growth and strength. (8-20)

    Our first AndroMass v3 tester, Kalen D, gained 23lbs of lean mass in only 8 weeks -- with nearly zero side-effects. See the interview here -



    Kalen D. - AndroMass - YouTube
    Download the full case report here.



    How is AndroMass so effective?

    • Highly Dosed - Contains the highest dose of androgens found in any natural androgen product
    • Highly Anabolic - Super DHEA is 15x more effective than regular DHEA for building muscle (12-21)
    • Highly Absorbable - Bypasses the liver and increases blood androgen levels for nearly 24hrs



    What are the active ingredients?

    The androgens in AndroMass include -

    Super-4-DHEA - Easily converts to 4-androstenediol and androstenedione at high levels. (11-14) These anabolic hormones have moderate estrogenic activity, supporting dramatic size gains in dense lean muscle. (21,22)

    Super-Ra-DHEA & Super-Rb-DHEA - These natural saturated androgens easily convert to dihydrotestosterone (DHT), which enhances strength and aggression while blocking the development of estrogenic side-effects, such as gynecomastia (gyno). (11,24,25)
    Together, these androgens mimic the power of true injectable testosterone -- with a bioequivalence of 400mg/week injectable testosterone enanthate (2700ng/dL*) -- so you can make serious gains without breaking the law. (11-23)

    *From a baseline of 500ng/dl total androgen activity level.



    AndroMass = More Permanent Gains

    Results from AndroMass are generally slower and higher quality compared to methylated oral steroids -- making the gains easier to maintain, and longer lasting.

    Methylated compounds such as superdrol, epistane, halodrol, dimethazine, etc., cause a rapid uptake of ionic fluid in the first 3-5 days leading to the rapid onset of muscular pumps, strength and weight gain. However, this fluid retention is rapidly lost after the cycle and gains are difficult to keep. (21)

    The best results from AndroMass are often seen after 3-4 weeks when the development of new myoblasts (muscle fibers) begin to take shape. (26-31) The development of muscle fibers and increased number of nuclei is a long-term benefit that is more easily maintained for many months or years. (26,27) Users of AndroMass report nearly 75% retention of gains, even 8 weeks after discontinuing their cycle. (43)



    The results from AndroMass are dramatic and noticeable when complemented with heavy lifting and a high protein diet.

    AndroMass will produce noticeable effects quickly.

    Effects after 1-2 weeks –

    • More physical power
    • Increased self-confidence
    • Enhanced muscle fullness & tightness


    ... And then after 3-4 weeks –

    • 8-12lb body weight increase
    • Increased muscle girth & size
    • 20-30% increase in strength



    AndroMass = Less Side-Effects

    AndroMass was painstakingly optimized to bring maximum results with minimal side-effects -- it’s unlike anything on the market.

    Side-effects from AndroMass are mild, temporary, and usually completely unnoticed by users. Some men may even notice improved general health while supplementing with AndroMass, since low androgen (testosterone) levels can lead to diabetes, obesity, heart disease, and depression. (32-34)




    AndroMass = Easy Recovery

    A rapid and complete recovery of natural testosterone production, ensures the maximum gain retention.

    Users of methylated orals and injectable steroids often struggle from a prolonged recovery, due to the highly suppressive nature of these types of steroids. (35-36) Recovery from these compounds can take months, or even years. (35-38) This makes it extremely difficult to maintain gains, sex-life, and mental health.

    AndroMass has one MAJOR advantage over the alternative -

    24hr Release - Mimics the body’s natural rhythm (LH & FSH secretion)
    The single daily dose of AndroMass rises and falls within a 24 hour period. This ensures levels fall back to “pre-dose” levels every 24 hours, allowing natural testosterone production to be stimulated. This prevents testicular shrinkage, shutdown and prolonged recovery. (39,40)

    Since AndroMass contains only androgens naturally produced by the body, they are easily metabolized and cleared from the body -- This allows users of AndroMass to fully recover in 30 days or less.


    AndroMass = Superior Delivery

    AndroMass utilizes the new Liqua-Vade 24HR Delivery technology -

    • Highly Bioavailable- Fat soluble androgens absorb up to 98% and bypass the liver
    • Highly Reliable - Maximum absorption is not dependant on food intake
    • Highly Convenient - Only ONE daily dose required for 24hr timed release of androgens


    We accomplished ultra-high bioavailability by utilizing fat soluble “fatty ester” hormones which are absorbed by the “fat uptake” (lymphatic) system, seen here -





    AndroMass = Cost Effective

    When priced against the nearest competition, AndroMass is at least 200-1000% more cost effective. (41)

    In fact, we encourage you to compare for yourself. Plus, consider the things you DON’T need with AndroMass -

    • Liver, kidney, or blood pressure support
    • Little blue pills to keep "things working"
    • Harsh "research grade" post cycle therapy (pct) drugs
    • Needles & sterilization



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    Remember, AndroMass gives you -

    • Proven Safety - Extensive in-house blood data confirms exceptional safety profile (42)
    • Proven Effectiveness - Average 13lb lean mass, and 25% strength increase in only 8 weeks (43)
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    11. Conversion of androsterone ester to dihydrotestosterone (DHT) -- with 10 hour pharmacokinetics
    Draws performed by AnyLabTestNow, 714 SW Washington St, Portland, OR 97205 , July 2011.
    Analysis performed by S.E.D. Medical Laboratories.
    (Contact Primordial Performance for full report)

    12. In vivo conversion of dehydroisoandrosterone to plasma androstenedione and testosterone in man.
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    14. METABOLISM OF ANDROST-4-ENE-3,17-DIONE-4-14C BY RABBIT SKELETAL MUSCLE SUPERNATANT FRACTION. ISOLATION OF 3BETA-HYDROXYANDROST-4-EN-17-ONE-14C AND TESTOSTERONE-14C.
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    15. Direct agonist/antagonist functions of dehydroepiandrosterone.
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    J Androl. 2002 Nov-Dec;23(6):919-21.

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    Hum Reprod Update. 2008 Jan-Feb;14(1):73-82. Epub 2007 Dec 4.

    18. Determination of androgen bioactivity in human serum samples using a recombinant cell based in vitro bioassay.
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    22. Delta-4-androstene-3,17-dione binds androgen receptor, promotes myogenesis in vitro, and increases serum testosterone levels, fat-free mass, and muscle strength in hypogonadal men.
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    Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A. 2010 Aug 24;107(34):15111-6. Epub 2010 Aug 16.

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    31. Stimulation of both estrogen and androgen receptors maintains skeletal muscle mass in gonadectomized male mice but mainly via different pathways.
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    J Mol Endocrinol. 2010 Jul;45(1):45-57. Epub 2010 Apr 30.

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    van den Beld AW, et al.
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    Hall SA, et al.
    J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2008 Oct;93(10):3870-7. Epub 2008 Jul 29.

    34. Hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis disruptions in older men are differentially linked to age and modifiable risk factors: the European Male Aging Study.
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    39. Low-Dose Human Chorionic Gonadotropin Maintains Intratesticular Testosterone in Normal Men with Testosterone-Induced Gonadotropin Suppression
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    41. Based on comparison to "natural androgen" based supplements, including 4-DHEA, 1-DHEA, androsterone, and epiandrosterone products.

    42. Based on in-house blood data and case studies. Download white papers here - AndroMass

    43. Based on in-house case studies. See "Research" tab here - AndroMass

    44. Exposure assessment of prepubertal children to steroid endocrine disruptors. 2. Determination of steroid hormones in milk, egg, and meat samples.
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    45. REVERSAL OF THE 3-BETA-HYDROXYSTEROID DEHYDROGENASE-ISOMERASE REACTIONS. CONVERSION OF ANDROST-4-ENE-3,17-DIONE-4-14C TO 3-BETA-HYDROXYANDROST-4-EN-17-ONE-14C AND 3-BETA-HYDROXYANDROST-5EN-17-ONE-14C.
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    Welcome back pro-hormones circa 2003!

    4ad ester gels
    3-alpha 5aa

    -Matt

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    I need this stuff to log, I wonder if any deals will come our way

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    I tried a pm PP to ask about some stuff, so i may just have to call as i am not sure my pm even works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by colo719 View Post
    I tried a pm PP to ask about some stuff, so i may just have to call as i am not sure my pm even works.
    LOgs are floating around but not many since its only been our for weeks....

    I just sold Kalen D. ----(our AndroMass beta tester whom gained 20+ lbs in 8 weeks) some AndroHard to try now since he is cutting.

    Yes -- he actually loved the products and PAYS for them --- no freebies.

    This stff is your BEST bet if overly toxic methyls are not of interest to you, OR you do NOT wish to break the law ---- then these Andro products are 100% WORTH IT.

    -Matt

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    Quote Originally Posted by colo719 View Post
    I tried a pm PP to ask about some stuff, so i may just have to call as i am not sure my pm even works.
    Colo ---

    Always feel free to email me anytime!

    matt.porter@primordialperformance.com

    -Matt

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    Also --

    I understand that our first round of Beta-Testers were heavily scrutinized due to lack of muscle foundation and general impressiveness...

    We wanted to find normal Joe Schmoes to be candidates to relate to the common person looking to get bigger....

    However for round 2 of testers -- I will be selecting people that simply have better genetics or whom are hard workers that have a nice NATURAL foundations.

    Lean guys, muscle roundness, good structure to work with, etc etc....things people WANT TO SEE to motivate them....

    Of course just like our first round of testers --- nothing is tweaked, super imposed or altered...if the tester only gains 4 lbs in 8 weeks....so be it -- we will publicize it.

    -Matt

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattPorter View Post
    Colo ---

    Always feel free to email me anytime!

    matt.porter@primordialperformance.com

    -Matt
    ^^^you can also reach us at our home forum and PM Matt or any rep for assistance. Reps do have some nice deals for the AndroSeries products!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattPorter View Post
    Also --

    I understand that our first round of Beta-Testers were heavily scrutinized due to lack of muscle foundation and general impressiveness...

    We wanted to find normal Joe Schmoes to be candidates to relate to the common person looking to get bigger....

    However for round 2 of testers -- I will be selecting people that simply have better genetics or whom are hard workers that have a nice NATURAL foundations.

    Lean guys, muscle roundness, good structure to work with, etc etc....things people WANT TO SEE to motivate them....

    Of course just like our first round of testers --- nothing is tweaked, super imposed or altered...if the tester only gains 4 lbs in 8 weeks....so be it -- we will publicize it.

    -Matt
    ...and that is how it should be. Look forward to their feedback!

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    What did Durst think of this product? He ran it, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by essays View Post
    What did Durst think of this product? He ran it, right?
    Pretty sure his log is in the PH section

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattPorter View Post
    Also --

    I understand that our first round of Beta-Testers were heavily scrutinized due to lack of muscle foundation and general impressiveness...

    We wanted to find normal Joe Schmoes to be candidates to relate to the common person looking to get bigger....

    However for round 2 of testers -- I will be selecting people that simply have better genetics or whom are hard workers that have a nice NATURAL foundations.

    Lean guys, muscle roundness, good structure to work with, etc etc....things people WANT TO SEE to motivate them....

    Of course just like our first round of testers --- nothing is tweaked, super imposed or altered...if the tester only gains 4 lbs in 8 weeks....so be it -- we will publicize it.

    -Matt
    Ahh yes will this be for all AS products and when can we expect to see the results?

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    Quote Originally Posted by essays View Post
    What did Durst think of this product? He ran it, right?
    Here is a post by him on his cycle

    Quote Originally Posted by DuRsT View Post
    I logged my experience with Mass V2 and Hard V3 on the forum although the whole story isn't there.

    I ended up stopping the cycle a month into it as I didn't feel like I was getting any results. I ran Mass and Hard at full dose for a month straight and had not seen any real gains from it regarding strength, recomp, size, or recovery.

    I shit you not, 3 days after I finished up my first bottles I along with my wife noticed physical changes in muscle size especially in my arms. I never picked up any great strength increases or anything, but I felt strong if that makes any sense. I feel pretty confident that if I had run it another month as I had planned I would have definitely seen some progress.

    Now I have a bottle of AM and AH just sitting around, not really sure what to do with them now lol

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    V3 is stronger than V2

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryansm View Post
    V3 is stronger than V2
    Yep, and the same price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy View Post
    Yep, and the same price.
    Even lower if you PM a rep

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryansm View Post
    Even lower if you PM a rep
    Very good point

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    Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy View Post
    Very good point
    Bump! Reps still have coupons for AndroSeries products!

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    As well as some of our popular post cycle therapy (pct) products

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryansm View Post
    As well as some of our popular PCT products
    Including the TRS v2 Stack

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    Very informative thread. Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by robinthomson View Post
    Very informative thread. Thanks
    Thank you for checking it out bud

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryansm View Post
    Thank you for checking it out bud
    Yep, and hit us up for a coupon!

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    Guys, im looing to buy AndroMass (first time doing a PH) do we have any discount? let me know.

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