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    I'm planning my first cycle like the one described in the "First Cycle and post cycle therapy (pct)" tread but do not have access to Aromasin, only Arimidex.

    This is the cycle posted in the Sticky:

    Sunday 10mg Aromasin
    Monday 10mg Aromasin/500iu HCG
    Tuesday 10mg Aromasin/250mg enanthate
    Wednesday 10mg Aromasin
    Thursday 10mg Aromasin
    Friday 10mg Aromasin/500iu HCG
    Saturday 10mg Aromasin/250mg enanthate

    I will follow the post cycle therapy (pct) in the First Time sticky also, accept for the Aromasin. So I wonder,
    I have read that some people only use 0.25mg Arimidex every other day and others have used 1mg every day, both with good result they say.

    How should I dose the Arimidex and do I run the Arimidex all through the cycle and to the end of the post cycle therapy (pct), or only throught out the cycle?

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    This has been a very informative read, thanks heavyiron. I do have a question about the study though. Did I read that correctly when it said the 600mg group gained 17+lbs of lean mass without working out? Obviously I'm pretty knew to all of this but that just strikes me as kind of odd.

    Also do you know of any follow up information on the subjects involved in the study? I'm curious as to how much they retained.

    Thanks again.

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    can any one point me in the right way of a good gym in indiana i am lookin for training buddys that can help me get fit and locate some gear. please let me know

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonRogmalm View Post
    I'm planning my first cycle like the one described in the "First Cycle and post cycle therapy (pct)" tread but do not have access to Aromasin, only Arimidex.

    This is the cycle posted in the Sticky:

    Sunday 10mg Aromasin
    Monday 10mg Aromasin/500iu HCG
    Tuesday 10mg Aromasin/250mg enanthate
    Wednesday 10mg Aromasin
    Thursday 10mg Aromasin
    Friday 10mg Aromasin/500iu HCG
    Saturday 10mg Aromasin/250mg enanthate

    I will follow the post cycle therapy (pct) in the First Time sticky also, accept for the Aromasin. So I wonder,
    I have read that some people only use 0.25mg Arimidex every other day and others have used 1mg every day, both with good result they say.

    How should I dose the Arimidex and do I run the Arimidex all through the cycle and to the end of the post cycle therapy (pct), or only throught out the cycle?
    I like to start Arimidex at 0.5mg every other day to start.
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    Anyone had some experience with going back on cycle after an extended break? I've had about a 2 year break from using any gear (I've been moving around a lot so never really had a chance to be settled and consistent enough to safely go back on).

    Wondering if I should just start again from scratch with basic enanthate + dbol + aromasin or do people reckon I'm okay to go back in more strongly than that and maybe run some equipoise in there and some winstrol towards the end of the cycle?

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    after cycle
    How long after you are done pinning do you need to use aromisin?

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    anyone? i ran a 12 week cycle that ended last week. when can i stop taking the aromisin?

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    Quote Originally Posted by heavyiron View Post
    Testosterone cycle design



    Almost weekly someone posts on the Chemical Enhancement forum asking about first cycle advice. The most common questions are; “what steroid should I take?” “How long should I take it?” and “What will the effects be?” There are literally dozens of steroids available and that makes it difficult for a first time user to choose. The following information will attempt to provide enough information for a first time user to make an educated decision about anabolic androgenic steroid use.

    Testosterone is one of the most effective, safe and available steroids today, therefore I believe Testosterone is the best first cycle choice. The following text outlines the benefits and risks of Testosterone administration based on a clinical human trial of 61 healthy men in 2001. The purpose of the trial was to determine the dose dependency of testosterone’s effects on fat-free mass and muscle performance. In this trial 61 men, 18-35years old were randomized into 5 groups receiving weekly injections of 25, 50, 125, 300, 600 mg of Testosterone Enanthate for 20 weeks. They had previous weight-lifting experience and normal T levels. Their nutritional intake was standardized and they did not undertake any strength training during the trial. The only two groups that reported significant muscle building benefits were the 300 and 600 mg groups so any dose lower than 300mg will not be considered in this essay. 12 men participated in the 300 mg group and 13 men in the 600 mg group.
    600mg of Testosterone a week for 20 weeks resulted in the following benefits. Increased fat free mass, muscle strength, muscle power, muscle volume, hemoglobin and IGF-1.

    The same 600 mg administration resulted in 2 side effects. HDL cholesterol was negatively correlated and 2 men developed acne.

    The normal range for total T in men is 241-827 ng/dl according to Labcorp and 260-1000 ng/dl according to Quest Laboratories. The normal range for IGF-1 is 81-225 according to Labcorp. Total T and IGF-1 levels were taken after 16 weeks and resulted in the following;

    Total Testosterone
    300 mg group-1,345 ng/dl a 691 ng increase from baseline
    600 mg group-2,370 ng/dl a 1,737 ng increase from baseline
    IGF-1
    300 mg group-388 ng/dl a 74 ng increase from baseline
    600 mg group-304 ng/dl a 77 ng increase from baseline

    Body composition was measured after 20 weeks.

    Fat Free Mass by underwater weighing
    300 mg group-5.2kg (11.4lbs) increase
    600 mg group-7.9kg (17.38lbs) increase
    Fat Mass by underwater weighing
    300 mg group-.5kg (1.1lbs) decrease
    600 mg group-1.1kg (2.42lbs) decrease
    Thigh Muscle Volume
    300 mg group-84 cubic centimeter increase
    600 mg group-126 cubic centimeter increase
    Quadriceps Muscle Volume
    300 mg group-43 cubic centimeter increase
    600 mg group-68 cubic centimeter increase
    Leg Press Strength
    300 mg group-72.2kg (158.8lbs) increase
    600 mg group-76.5kg (168.3lbs) increase
    Leg Power
    300 mg group-38.6 watt increase
    600 mg group-48.1 watt increase
    Hemoglobin
    300 mg group-6.1 gram per liter increase
    600 mg group-14.2 gram per liter increase
    Plasma HDL Cholesterol
    300 mg group-5.7 mg/dl decrease
    600 mg group-8.4 mg/dl decrease
    Acne
    300 mg group-7 of the 12 men developed acne
    600 mg group-2 of the 13 men developed acne

    There were no significant changes in PSA or liver enzymes at any dose up to 600mg. However, long-term effects of androgen administration on the prostate, cardiovascular risk, and behavior are unknown. The study demonstrated that there is a dose dependant relationship with testosterone administration. In other words the more testosterone administered the greater the muscle building effects and potential for side effects.

    Given the results of the study and based on years of personal experience I believe the first time user can safely use between 300-600 mg of testosterone enanthate or cypionate per week for 8-12 weeks. Because it is desirable to have even blood androgen levels I advise at least 2 equal injections per week. The following graph demonstrates that testosterone cypionate peaks within 1-2 days after injection and falls off to almost baseline by day 10. Therefore waiting 7 days between injections of cypionate would cause wide fluctuations in blood androgen levels.

    Pharmacokinetics of Testosterone cypionate Injection


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    Source: Schulte-Beerbuhl, 1980
    Figure. Pharmacokinetics of 200mg Testosterone cypionate injection. Source: Comparison of Testosterone, dihydrotestosterone, luteinizing hormone, and follicle-stimulating hormone in serum after injection of Testosterone enanthate or Testosterone cypionate. Schulte-Beerbuhl M, Nieschlag E. Fertility and Sterility 33 (1980) 201-3.

    If a first time user wanted to use 600 mg of cypionate or enanthate per week he would inject 300 mg on Tuesday and another 300 mg on Saturday each week for 10 weeks. When injecting long heavy esters like cypionate with this frequency I tend to have less acne then 1 injection per week.

    There are a number of esters which provide varying release times. Acetate or propionate esters extend the release time of testosterone a couple of days. In contrast, a deconate ester prolongs the release of testosterone about 3 weeks. Testosterone enanthate and cypionate are almost identical esters. The use of an ester allows for a less frequent injection schedule than using a water based testosterone like suspension which has no ester at all and is rapidly in and out of your system after injection. The published release times are not exact and are many times based on a single injection not many multiple injections which can delay the release of the hormone. Other factors affect release times of esters such as scar tissue and the muscle group injected. Only a blood test can confirm when the active hormone has cleared your system.

    Esters not only effect release times but also the potency of the Testosterone as esters make up part of the steroid weight. This must be taken into account when calculating dosages. The longer the release time the less free hormone. For example propionate is about 15% more potent mg. for mg. then enanthate so 500mg of propionate would equal about 575 mg. of enanthate. The following chart illustrates the free base equivalents for several compounds.

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    Although it was not indicated in the trial, during or after the steroid cycle some men are prone to gynecomastia which is the formation of female like breast tissue. This is due to excessive estrogen as the body tries to balance out the sex hormones. A selective estrogen receptor modulator or S.E.R.M. such as Tamoxifen can be used effectively to combat gynecamastia in an emergency as it competes for the estrogen receptor which in turn inhibits estrogens effects. It is highly recommended that a S.E.R.M. be available during treatment of Testosterone. 10-40mg daily is an effective dose however dosage is dependant on how much testosterone is administered as well as the individual himself.

    The decision to use steroids should not be taken lightly and should be the last consideration after implementing a solid nutritional, training and recovery plan. It is advised to get blood work when using these medications.

    Testosterone dose-response relationships in healthy young men



    Ancillaries during the cycle



    Aromatase Inhibitor


    I briefly wrote about using Tamoxifen above for emergency gynecomastia treatment however I am convinced that there is a better strategy for controlling estrogen during a steroid cycle. Rather than waiting for the side effects of estrogen to present an aromatase inhibitor like Arimidex or Aromasin should be used on cycle to control Estrogen and keep free testosterone levels high. 0.5mg-1mg Arimidex daily OR 10-25mg Aromasin daily. Start with the lower dose and then see how that controls water retention, blood pressure and libido and make adjustments as needed. A blood test would be the most ideal way to determine the dosage of the Aromatase inhibitor (AI). Free T needs to be in the high range and estradiol between 10-25 pg/ml.


    Human Chorionic Gonadotropin



    Testosterone-Induced gonadotropin suppression tends to cause atrophy of the testes and decreases intratesticular testosterone. In other words, when a male administers testosterone his testes shrink because they are suppressed. A simple way to restore ITT levels and maintain the mass of the testes is to administer Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) during testosterone treatment. During a study it was determined that Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is dose dependant and that approximately 300iu Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) taken every other day restored ITT levels. This is 1,050iu Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) weekly. I recommend 500iu twice weekly while on testosterone treatment. On a very heavy cycle a third dose of 500iu could be added but that is typically not needed. Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) will not only keep ITT levels and the mass of the testes normal but will also aid in keeping the male fertile.


    Sample cycle with ancillaries


    Sunday 10mg Aromasin
    Monday 10mg Aromasin/500iu HCG
    Tuesday 10mg Aromasin/300mg Enanthate
    Wednesday 10mg Aromasin
    Thursday 10mg Aromasin
    Friday 10mg Aromasin/500iu HCG
    Saturday 10mg Aromasin/300mg Enanthate


    For all you guys who want to add multiple compounds to your first course I advise against it because if you have side effects then you will not know which compound is causing the sides. I have gotton a ton of PM's over the years and there is always some reason that I am given for using multiple compounds on the first run but there really is no need. However my cycle sample above may not be for everyone so I am offering an alternative to the flat cycle design. If you want to run a first cycle with a little more horespower than you may want to consider a modified pyramiding cycle. I have done over 20 pyramid courses and must say they are my favorite way to run aas. The human body is always fighting for homeostasis so the concept is to increase dose before gains plateau. Based on the 2009 myostatin study we can design a cycle that is effective for 10 weeks using this strategy. The following first cycle is for men that want a little more performance with added risk while only using Testosterone. The first 5 weeks a standard dose is administered to evaluate how your body responds and to determine if sides are manageable. If sides are manageable then increase the dose.

    Sample first course #2


    Week 1-5 600mg Testosterone weekly
    Week 6-8 800mg Testosterone weekly
    Week 9-10 1 gram Testosterone weekly

    10 mg Aromasin daily with the goal of keeping Estradiol between 10pg/ml-25pg/ml. Only blood work can confirm if you are in this range.

    500iu Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) twice weekly.


    Post Cycle therapy


    I strongly believe that an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) should be used as long as there is an aromatizing compound being administered. In this case Testosterone and Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) aromatize therefore using an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) until these meds clear and a few weeks longer is what I am recommending. There is some evidence that adding Nolva to an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) does not increase the effectiveness of estro control therefore Nolva has no real advantage alongside an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) unless one is experiencing gyno. Additionally Nolva has been shown to reduce IGF-1 and GH levels when used alone. This is not a big deal on cycle as testosterone increases IGF-1 in a dose dependant relationship. However off cycle this is a problem. PCT is a fragile time and lower IGF-1 and GH levels is not desirable. I am recommending an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) that is specific to men that can be used on cycle and during post cycle therapy (pct). It is my conclusion that Aromasin is the obvious choice.

    I recommend the following PCT protocol for esters like Cypionate and Enanthate;

    Day 1-16 : 2500iu Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) every other day. (You may use less Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) if your testes are normal in size AND you have been using Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) on cycle, i.e. 1,000iu Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) etd.)

    100/100/100/50 Clomid (50mg taken twice per day weeks 1-3 after aas ester clears)

    20mg/20mg/20mg/10mg Aromasin (20mg daily for 3 weeks, 10mg daily in week 4)

    3g Vit C every day split in 3 doses

    10g creatine daily

    The Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is administered BEFORE the ester clears to increase the mass of the testes and bring back ITT levels. This will allow the testes to sustain output of testosterone sooner.

    Clomid is universally accepted as THE testosterone recovery tool. It blocks estrogen from the HPTA and stimulates the production of GNRH then initiates the production of LH, which in turn signals the testis (if not atrophied) to produce testosterone.

    Aromasin or a similar aromatase inhibitor is for testosterone recovery and it is used to keep the testosterone/estrogen balance in favor of testosterone. It is also helps to keep any additionally occurring estrogen from Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) low to none.

    Cortisol is catabolic. It is the enemy of all anabolism and must be kept in check. While it is blocked when under the influence of AAS, it is free to attach to the Anabolic Receptors (AR) once the steroids leave. Due to this blockage Cortisol tends to accumulate and increase when on. A low level is desirable however since it is important for other vital functions such as control of inflammation. Balance is the key. Vitimin C keeps the exercise induced rise of Cortisol in check.

    The use of Creatine has shown to increase ATP metabolism and cellular water storage among many other things. This is beneficial because it provides for heightened nutrient storage and a slight increase in anabolism as well as workout stamina.

    References


    Testosterone dose-response relationships in healthy young men;

    Pharmacokinetics and Dose Finding of a Potent Aromatase Inhibitor, Aromasin (Exemestane), in Young Males

    Low-Dose Human Chorionic Gonadotropin Maintains Intratesticular Testosterone in Normal Men with Testosterone-Induced Gonadotropin Suppression

    Use of clomiphene citrate to reverse premature andropause secondary to steroid abuse.

    special thanks to those men and women who have influnced my thinking over the years in regards to aas use.


    ~heavyiron
    very well said!

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    This thread is absolutely beautiful! Very, VERY, well written and laid out...thank you! What if you wanted to add something like EQ to the mix...just add and keep everything else the same? I am going to be ordering all I need for my next cycle in June, HCG, Aromasin, Clomid, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heavyiron View Post
    Yup, Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) on cycle and while the enanthate is clearing (about 10 days past the cycle)

    Clomid starts about 10 days after your last inject of Enanthate.
    Please Heavyiron i still dont undersand the dosage of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) in post cycle therapy (pct) , i guess it's the expression every other day i don't understand as my english is not that good so sorry about that.

    You have mentioned :

    Day 1-16 : 2500iu Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) every other day. (You may use less Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) if your testes are normal in size AND you have been using Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) on cycle, i.e. 1,000iu Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) etd.)

    do you mean i have to inject 2500iu every day or 500iu every day ?

    sorry if you think it's a stupid question but i cant hide i don't understand . i'am about to complete my first cycle .

    i will continue with Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) for 10 days tell me what should be the proper dosage of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) after last injection of enanthate ? Because if you see in the first post you told Week 1-16 and you also told me i have to use Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) for about 10 days

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    i am curious on a cyp cycle can i skip all the other stuff and just dose with trip?

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    people this is my 1st proper 10week cycle is it good enough

    Sus250/lixus labs, 1000mg a week
    Rip blend250/lixus labs, 1000mg a week

    These 2 injections will take place every sunday once a week.....

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    I plan to run a PCT of 50/50/50/50 clomid, 40/40/20/20 nolva, 250iu 2x/wk Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), creatine alkaline, and vit. C. From all I have read it is a pretty solid post cycle therapy (pct). Does anyone have anything to add to this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ziltoid View Post
    Anyone had some experience with going back on cycle after an extended break? I've had about a 2 year break from using any gear (I've been moving around a lot so never really had a chance to be settled and consistent enough to safely go back on).

    Wondering if I should just start again from scratch with basic enanthate + dbol + aromasin or do people reckon I'm okay to go back in more strongly than that and maybe run some equipoise in there and some winstrol towards the end of the cycle?
    I took an 8 year break one time and about a 6 year break another time. I resumed with Testosterone only and had great results brother.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moeme View Post
    How long after you are done pinning do you need to use aromisin?
    Quote Originally Posted by moeme View Post
    anyone? i ran a 12 week cycle that ended last week. when can i stop taking the aromisin?
    You may or may not need it if you use a SERM. Only blood work can tell post SERM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lifting Weights View Post
    very well said!
    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleAddiction View Post
    This thread is absolutely beautiful! Very, VERY, well written and laid out...thank you! What if you wanted to add something like EQ to the mix...just add and keep everything else the same? I am going to be ordering all I need for my next cycle in June, Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), Aromasin, Clomid, etc.
    Thanks guys!

    If its a first run I would not add EQ so you can determine what is causing sides if you get them brother.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dysmorphic View Post
    i am curious on a cyp cycle can i skip all the other stuff and just dose with trip?
    trip?
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    Hi heavyiron, DaDawg and others.

    I initially wrote to you on the 29th December 2011 on this thread. I am finally about to commence my cycle. I have my diet, training and all other goodies about right now.

    I was just reading all of this thread again and suddenly realized I don't understand a couple of examples you have written. It's not you, it's me my friend. I don't always see the obvious. Anyway, here goes.

    1. When you wrote Day 1-16: 2500iu HCG eod, when does day 1 actually start in a 10 or 12 week cycle?

    2.100/100/100/50 clomid (50mg taken twice per day weeks 1-3 after aas ester clears) Does this mean day1@100mg/ day2@ 100mg/ day3@ 100mg/ day4@ 50mg clomid? And, how long for? I assume after a sus cycle this would commence on week 3 or 4?

    3. Why increase the Aromasin from 10mg to 20mg after finishing the cycle? Then week 4 back to 10mg? ( I have the 25mg tabs so will divide into 12.5mg)

    4. If I take 500iu of HCG twice per week throughout cycle, is it necessary to up the HCG at the end i.e. day 1-16?

    5. I have both clomid and nolvadex at hand. If, I was to use nolvadex instead of the clomid how would, and at what dosage re the nolvadex? (I have never used Clomid before, heard Nolvadex is better?).

    I have written my cycle below. As you will notice it is not complete as I am a little unsure on how to introduce my HCG and post cycle therapy (pct). Would it be possible to for you to fill in the gaps?

    Weeks 1 -12.

    Day 1. 1 shot sust250 @ 1ml + 12.5mg Aromasin
    Day 2. 12.5mg Aromasin
    Day 3. 12.5mg Aromasin + HCG @ 500iu (subq)
    Day 4. 12.5mg Aromasin
    Day 5. 1 shot sust250 @ 1ml + 12.5mg Aromasin
    Day 6. 12.5mg Aromasin
    Day 7. 12.5mg Aromasin + HCG @ 500iu (subq)

    Weeks 13, 14, 15

    Aromasin - daily @ 25mg + 500iu HCG twice per week.

    Weeks 16 Im stuck on this part.

    I know the answers are there, but after reading and more reading...I'm a little confused (Again).

    Thanking you all once again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heavyiron View Post
    trip?
    triptorelin: greatwhitepeptides.com/gnrh-triptorelin-100-mcgs.html
    Last edited by dysmorphic; 03-19-2012 at 08:15 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dysmorphic View Post
    triptorelin: greatwhitepeptides.com/gnrh-triptorelin-100-mcgs.html
    I personally prefer a SERM for post cycle therapy brother.
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    Great info.. Thx

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    Hi everyone!
    I am Nathan. Some about me 200 lb, 6 Ft, 37 yo, 15% bf lifting for a while, training 5 days a week,never been on a cycle before. So far i have been stacking up supplements test boosters, amino, vitamines, proteines, creatine, glutamine, prework stuff....... pretty costly. I belive time has come to try my first real cycle.
    Here is the cycle that I want to do. I decided to do this cycle after some research I have been doing. My goal for this cycle is to gain as much as I can good, lean muscle.
    Please if anyone has ideas and decent comments I would appreciate them. With this cycle i will try my best with diet and cardio wich I am pretty good with I still do 4 km after weights( not lately because I am trying to bulk up).


    1-3 week Test prop 100mg EOD ( for a quick start)

    3-13 week Test e 500mg/week (divided in two shots Mon/Thu). In 13 week the second Test E shot ( the last shot of the cycle) will be Sunday

    1-10 week Eq( Boldenone Udecylenate) 400mg/week (divided in two shots Mon/Thu), from week 4 Boldenone and Test E combined in the same syringe

    10-12 week Eq( Boldenone Udecylenate) 600mg/week (divided in two shots Mon/Thu), In 12 week the second Test / Eq shot of the week will be on Sunday

    4-13 week 500IU EW the day after Test / Eq shot (250IU+250IU- Tue/Fri)

    14-15 week HCG-500IU ED with the last shot one week before onset of post cycle therapy (pct) in order to avoid inhibition of the Nolvadex/Clomid therapy

    1-13 week run Arimidex 0.25mg EOD to avoid water retention/bloating as much as I can


    16 week post cycle therapy (pct) starts

    Day 1 - Clomid 200mg + Nolvadex 60mg

    Following 10 days - Clomid 100mg + Nolvadex 40mg

    Following 10 days - Clomid 50mg + Nolvadex 20mg

    Thanks

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    good info bro...thx

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    such a good read very helpful. been printing out all the good post and making a nice note book to help me out. =)

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    Quote Originally Posted by nathan33 View Post
    Hi everyone!
    I am Nathan. Some about me 200 lb, 6 Ft, 37 yo, 15% bf lifting for a while, training 5 days a week,never been on a cycle before. So far i have been stacking up supplements test boosters, amino, vitamines, proteines, creatine, glutamine, prework stuff....... pretty costly. I belive time has come to try my first real cycle.
    Here is the cycle that I want to do. I decided to do this cycle after some research I have been doing. My goal for this cycle is to gain as much as I can good, lean muscle.
    Please if anyone has ideas and decent comments I would appreciate them. With this cycle i will try my best with diet and cardio wich I am pretty good with I still do 4 km after weights( not lately because I am trying to bulk up).


    1-3 week Test prop 100mg EOD ( for a quick start)

    3-13 week Test e 500mg/week (divided in two shots Mon/Thu). In 13 week the second Test E shot ( the last shot of the cycle) will be Sunday

    1-10 week Eq( Boldenone Udecylenate) 400mg/week (divided in two shots Mon/Thu), from week 4 Boldenone and Test E combined in the same syringe

    10-12 week Eq( Boldenone Udecylenate) 600mg/week (divided in two shots Mon/Thu), In 12 week the second Test / Eq shot of the week will be on Sunday

    4-13 week 500IU EW the day after Test / Eq shot (250IU+250IU- Tue/Fri)

    14-15 week HCG-500IU ED with the last shot one week before onset of post cycle therapy (pct) in order to avoid inhibition of the Nolvadex/Clomid therapy

    1-13 week run Arimidex 0.25mg EOD to avoid water retention/bloating as much as I can


    16 week post cycle therapy (pct) starts

    Day 1 - Clomid 200mg + Nolvadex 60mg

    Following 10 days - Clomid 100mg + Nolvadex 40mg

    Following 10 days - Clomid 50mg + Nolvadex 20mg

    Thanks

    Just make it more simple bro
    Weeks 1-12 Test E 500mg (250mg mon/ 250mg thurs)
    Weeks 1-12 EQ 500mg ( 250/250)
    Weeks 1-15 Arimidex .25mg Every Other Day

    post cycle therapy (pct)
    Weeks 15-18 Clomid 50mg per day
    Weeks 15-18 Nolvadex 20mg per day

    You can do HCG after last shot of Testosterone up until post cycle therapy (pct). You can also do higher dose clomid first few days of post cycle therapy (pct).
    Last edited by josh223; 04-12-2012 at 09:48 PM.

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