tren and eca?

[dacmac]

will eca be a good addition to a test/tren cycle or would it be counterproductive/overload ? first 3 weeks bloat (or fat gain) from superdrol front load has me curious, just trying to get the best bang for my buck, any feedback is appreciated.

[dacmac]

clen makes me too shakey, anyone had experience with eca while on cycle? dont need my nutirients burnt up before they hit my muscles.

[dacmac]

anyone have any input?

[Wormwood]

Dont want "your nutrients burnt up"? Are you bulking or cutting?

[dacmac]

clean bulk, ~250g protein, 125carbs, 20g fat 2800ish cal

[Wormwood]

Id just drop the ECA

[Booger1]

Id just drop the ECA

But wouldn't the addition of Ephedrine boost metabolism and thus provide additional help to somebody seeking to add some lean bulk while at the same time provide the thermogenic help needed to reduce fat? In fact, the CNS stimulation of ephedrine, along with tren should also offer some serious strength gains.

Not trying to be a jerk just curious

P.S @ dacmac: What do you mean you don't want your nutrients "burnt up"? Also, clen makes you shaky but you think you'd be cool wit a tren/Winny/ECA stack?

[glubgawd]

clean bulk, ~250g protein, 125carbs, 20g fat 2800ish cal

Really? BULK with 2800 calories? How much you weigh man? Also, you need more fat than that for sure.

Anyways, I'm gonna assume you're pretty lean to start with. tren will do amazing things for you in terms of packing on muscle with no fat gains. You really don't need the ECA. Also, tren increases heart rate in a lot of people.....you don't wanna throw ECA on top of that.

IMO - do as big a bulk as possible on tren (you'd be amazed at how little fat you'll put on) by eating a shit ton of calories. You'll gain more muscle this way. Save the ECA for a few weeks after PCT to cut a little if you need it - you'll likely put on a bit of fat during PCT just because you'll need to be eating a ton more calories still.