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 What are the pro's doing?
Lets say that I had a flawless diet, a perfect training regimen, and I was in line to be the next Worlds Strongest Man.
How much gear would I be using?
Would I cycle?
If I did cycle what would the off-cycle look like?
I can't seem to find the info Im looking for. All I read on this site is "500mg test E weekly"
Something tells me Derek Poundstone didn't get to where he is by cycling 500 test/week.
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 Originally Posted by The Ogre
Lets say that I had a flawless diet, a perfect training regimen, and I was in line to be the next Worlds Strongest Man.
How much gear would I be using?
Would I cycle?
If I did cycle what would the off-cycle look like?
I can't seem to find the info Im looking for. All I read on this site is "500mg test E weekly"
Something tells me Derek Poundstone didn't get to where he is by cycling 500 test/week.
Its called taking it easy. And warming yourself up to the intensity you could/will be enduring. You crawl before you walk, unless you were one of those miracle babies who jumped right out of the vagina doing cartwheels and somersaults LOL
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Originally Posted by The Ogre
Lets say that I had a flawless diet, a perfect training regimen, and I was in line to be the next Worlds Strongest Man.
How much gear would I be using?
Would I cycle?
If I did cycle what would the off-cycle look like?
I can't seem to find the info Im looking for. All I read on this site is "500mg test E weekly"
Something tells me Derek Poundstone didn't get to where he is by cycling 500 test/week.
you have a better chance of winning the lottery than you do of finding out the REAL cycle info from a top level strongman , powerlifter , or bodybuilder. they arent going to give out their secrets.
NOT ONLY IS STUPIDITY INCURABLE BUT ITS ALSO CONTAGIOUS OVER THE INTERNET.
VAR ONLY CYCLES ARE ONLY FOR PEOPLE WITH A VAGINA.
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Originally Posted by DADAWG
you have a better chance of winning the lottery than you do of finding out the REAL cycle info from a top level strongman , powerlifter , or bodybuilder. they arent going to give out their secrets.
they will if you hire them as your coach, at least some of them will. But its kind of a waste of your money if you are paying to be trained by a top level athelete and you can't get 350 lbs over your head.
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Originally Posted by trtgiant
they will if you hire them as your coach, at least some of them will. But its kind of a waste of your money if you are paying to be trained by a top level athelete and you can't get 350 lbs over your head.
G'luck with that.
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What are the pro's doing?
Sleeping 3 times a day, pinning something 10 times a day, and complaining about limp dick-itis from being on a 500 week cycle until they retire to TRT? Of course, it would be bad to get a boner on stage wearing those European man thongs and being surrounded by other scantily clad dudes, so maybe that is desirable.
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Originally Posted by gorillaglue
What are the pro's doing?
Sleeping 3 times a day, pinning something 10 times a day, and complaining about limp dick-itis from being on a 500 week cycle until they retire to TRT? Of course, it would be bad to get a boner on stage wearing those European man thongs and being surrounded by other scantily clad dudes, so maybe that is desirable.
HEEEELLLLLLS YEAH!!!!!!
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This is a million dollar question. Rumors leak out here and there but it's hard to say. I don't think well ever truly know what their cycles look like. I do know that I don't make enough in a year to afford what they do and when u work a 40+ hour week it's really hard to get to that point.
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I think we'll all eagerly await the answer on this thread... the waiting is killing me.
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Inside The World of Professional Bodybuilding
"When my guys tell you it costs more than $25,000 to get ready for a big contest, do you think they’re talking about pasta?"
—Wayne Demilia, President of the International Federation of Body Builders (IFBB)
As quoted from the New York Times May 13, 2001
The Drug Cycle of an IFBB Professional Bodybuilder
As the following drug cycle commenced, our interviewee was 14 weeks out from the world’s most prestigious bodybuilding event, the Mr. Olympia. Upon beginning this cycle he weighed a whopping 280 pounds. Due to the possibility that he could be identified, his contest weight and his placement at the event will not be published. Below is his cycle as it was given to me (please see the drug guide at the end of the article for a brief explanation of the drugs used).
Week 14
400 mg/wk Testosterone [specific ester name not given]
200 mg/wk methenolone enanthate
25 mg/day methandrostenolone
Total weekly androgen dose: 775 mg
Week 13
400 mg/wk Testosterone [specific ester name not given]
200 mg/wk methenolone enanthate
25 mg/day methandrostenolone
0.70 mg/day tiratricol
3 IU growth hormone M, W, F
Total weekly androgen dose: 775 mg
Week 12
300 mg/wk Testosterone [specific ester name not given]
300 mg/wk methenolone enanthate
25 mg/day methandrostenolone
0.70 mg/day tiratricol
3 IU growth hormone M, W, F
Total weekly androgen dose: 775 mg
Week 11
300 mg/wk Testosterone [specific ester name not given]
300 mg/wk methenolone enanthate
25 mg/day methandrostenolone
0.70 mg/day tiratricol
3 IU growth hormone administered M, W, F
Total weekly androgen dose: 775 mg
Week 10
200 mg/wk Testosterone [specific ester name not given]
400 mg/wk methenolone enanthate
25 mg/day methandrostenolone
0.70 mg/day tiratricol
3 IU growth hormone administered M, W, F
Total weekly androgen dose: 775 mg
Week 9
152 mg/wk trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate
200 mg/wk nandrolone decanoate
200 mg/wk methenolone enanthate
200 mg/wk dromostanolone
1.05 mg/day tiratricol
3 IU growth hormone, change to daily injections here until Mr. Olympia
Total weekly androgen dose: 752 mg
Week 8
152 mg/wk trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate
200 mg/wk nandrolone decanoate
200 mg/wk dromostanolone
200 mg/wk methenolone enanthate
3 IU/day growth hormone
1.05 mg/day tiratricol
Total weekly androgen dose: 752 mg
Week 7
152 mg/wk trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate
200 mg/wk nandrolone decanoate
200 mg/wk dromostanolone
200 mg/wk methenolone enanthate
4 IU/day growth hormone
1.05 mg/day tiratricol
Begin alternating daily dose of 30 mcg clenbuterol and 100 mg ephedrine (i.e. one day C, next day E)
Total weekly androgen dose: 752 mg
Week 6
100 mg Testosterone suspension administered twice per week
100 mg injectable stanzozolol administered three times per week
228 mg/wk trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate
200 mg/wk dromostanolone
5 IU/day growth hormone
1.05 mg/day tiratricol
Alternating daily dose of 30 mcg clenbuterol or 100 mg ephedrine (i.e. one day C, next day E)
25 mg/day oxandrolone
Local injections with formyldienolone begin here until Mr. Olympia (upper chest, biceps, and side delts)
Total weekly androgen dose: 1,103 mg*
Week 5
50 mg nandrolone phenpropionate administered twice per week
100 mg Testosterone suspension administered twice per week
100 mg injectable stanzozolol administered three times per week
228 mg/wk trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate
200 mg/wk dromostanolone
5 IU/day growth hormone
1.05 mg/day tiratricol
Alternating daily dose of 30 mcg clenbuterol or 100 mg ephedrine (i.e. one day C, next day E)
25 mg/day oxandrolone
Local injections with formyldienolone (upper chest, biceps, side delts)
Total weekly androgen dose: 1,203 mg*
Week 4
100 mg nandrolone phenpropionate administered three times per week
200 mg/wk dromostanolone
100 mg Testosterone suspension administered three times per week
100 mg injectable stanozolol administered three times per week
1.05 mg/day tiratricol
Alternating daily dose of 30 mcg clenbuterol or 100 mg ephedrine (i.e. one day C, next day E)
25 mg/day oxandrolone
5 IU/day growth hormone
Local injections with formyldienolone (upper chest, biceps, side delts)
500 mg/day testolactone
500 mg/day tolbutamide
100 mg/day mesterolone
Total weekly androgen dose: 1,975 mg*
Week 3
100 mg nandrolone phenpropionate administered three times per week
200 mg/wk dromostanolone
100 mg Testosterone suspension administered three times per week
100 mg injectable stanozolol administered three times per week
1.05 mg/day tiratricol
Alternating daily dose of 30 mcg clenbuterol and 100 mg ephedrine (i.e. one day C, next day E)
25 mg/day oxandrolone
5 IU/day growth hormone
Local injections with formyldienolone (upper chest, biceps, side delts)
500 mg/day testolactone
500 mg/day tolbutamide
100 mg/day mesterolone
Total weekly androgen dose: 1,975 mg*
Week 2
50 mg nandrolone phenpropionate administered twice per week
100 mg/day mesterolone
1.05 mg/day tiratricol
100 mg injectable stanozolol administered three times per week
100 mg/day Testosterone suspension
600 mg/day testolactone
500 mg/day tolbutamide
750 mg/day aminoglutethimide
Alternating daily dose of 30 mcg clenbuterol or 100 mg ephedrine (i.e. one day C, next day E)
25 mg/day oxandrolone
5 IU/day growth hormone (GH stops this week)
Local injections with formyldienolone (upper chest, biceps, side delts)
Total weekly androgen dose: 1,975 mg*
Week Preceding the Mr. Olympia
50 mg nandrolone phenpropionate administered twice this week
100 mg/day mesterolone
100 mg injectable stanozolol Monday, Wednesday, and Friday
100 mg Testosterone suspension Saturday, Tuesday, Thursday
600 mg/day testolactone
500 mg/day tolbutamide
25 mg/day oxandrolone
Alternating daily dose of 30 mcg clenbuterol or 100 mg ephedrine (i.e. one day C, next day E)
750 mg/day aminoglutethimide
Local injections with formyldienolone (upper chest, biceps, side delts)
Total weekly androgen dose: 1,575 mg*
Total androgen dose for 14 week cycle: 15,937 mg*
*Androgen totals do not include site injections of formyldienolone or oral administration of testolactone.
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Let's take a look at the steroid use timeline.
1960's: The common vogue during this time period was amazingly simplistic and EXTREMELY conservative. Guys like Scott, Howorth, Ortiz, Draper, etc....would literally debate over whether they should up the dosage of D-BOL from 3 to 4 pills per day!! It was only in the latter part of the 60's that deca was added to the D-bol. Typically during this era the bodybuilders would stay on maybe 4 months out of the year and take the remaining 8 months off.
1970's: The D-Bol and deca was still the preferred stack in the early part of the 70's and in fact most bodybuilders would use this stack up to a show only dropping the D-Bol 3 days before the contest. As the decade progressed other stacks were experimented with such as Anadrol/Anavar....deca/Winstrol...and Arnold's personal favorite: primobolan Acetate and D-Bol. Towards the end of the decade thyroid drugs were just starting to be experimented with for that ultra-ripped look. Typically during this era in bodybuilding the bodybuilders would stay on for maybe 6 months out of the year max and have at least 6 months clean.
1980's: Ah...the good ole days. Any steroid you wanted could be obtained for ridiculously low prices...for example 100 D-Bol $8.00, 2ml of deca $7.00. In the very early part of the decade, bodybuilders were still conservative in their doses and often stayed off for extended periods of time, but by the mid 80's bodybuilders NEVER came off and developed very sophisticated stacks. Here is an example of a typical off-season stack for an 80's bodybuilder:
test: 400MG PER WEEK
deca: 400MG PER WEEK
PARABOLAN: 3 AMPS PER WEEK
D-BOL: 10 TABS PER DAY
ANADROL: 2 TABS PER DAY
NOVLADEX: 1 TAB PER DAY
CYTOMEL: 50MCG PER DAY
Pre contest would change slightly and look like this:
finaject: 30MG PER DAY
WINSTROL: 50MG PER DAY
primobolan ACETATE: 20MG PER DAY
ANAVAR: 20MG PER DAY
PROVIRON: 50MG PER DAY
NOVLADEX: 20MG PER DAY
CRESCORMIN (GH)-4IU PER DAY
THIOMUCASE (INJECTION) ONCE PER DAY FOR THE LAST 2 WEEKS
CYTOMEL: 75MG PER DAY
ALDACTONE/LASIX: LAST 4 DAYS
The 80's also saw the introduction in so called designer drugs such as the East German "BOLASTERONE" which was actually made in California...it consisted of Anadrol-50, test proprionate, methandriol, anavar and sustenon in an H2O suspension. Also as the decade came to a close, some bodybuilders started to experiment with insulin and insulin mimickers.
The 1990's-present: Well guys pretty much use what they can get their hands on in LARGE doses with an array of anti-estrogens. Typically an offseason stack would last for 16 weeks and then have a 3-4 week break period. It would look like this:
PHASE 1:
1-2 GRAMS OF test PER WEEK
1-2 GRAMS OF deca PER WEEK
50-100MG OF D-BOL PER DAY
OR
150MG OF ANADROL PER DAY
1 ARIMIDEX PER DAY
3 TESLAC
4IU OF GH PER DAY OR MORE
15-20 IU OF SHORT ACTING INSULIN AFTER TRAINING
PHASE 2:
50-100MG OF WINSTROL PER DAY
30-50MG OF HALOTESTIN PER DAY
100MG OF test PROPRIONATE PER DAY
40MG OF FINAPLEX PER DAY
1-2 ANADROL PER DAY
1 ARIMIDEX PER DAY
6 TESLAC PER DAY
2 NOVLADEX PER DAY
4 CYTOMEL PER DAY
As you can see by looking at the above course, it is divided into long acting and short acting phases.
Pre contest varies a lot and everyone uses as much GH as they can afford with as much CLENBUTEROL as they can tolerate along with a boatload of anti-estrogens. Most guys would prefer PARABOLAN AND ANAVAR...but must use what they can readily get. From the mid 1990's on, Diuretic use has become a science since a increasingly larger number of Pro shows are testing for them, so they vary a great deal.
Well there you have it for what it's worth, a brief history of steroid use in bodybuilding over the last 40 years. If nothing else, reading this information should give you a new found respect for guys like Arnold, Mentzer and Sergio. They used small amounts relatively speaking by the standards of the 80's and 90's yet built amazingly rugged and dense physiques. They had sub-par nutritional practices as well and nothing but dumbbells and barbells at their disposal. Just thinking of what Sergio Olivia might look like if he followed the practices of 90's bodybuilders is enough to send chills up mine spine. I'm thinking a 5'9'' 280lbs. freak with 23 inch arms and 30 inch waist 60 inch chest, 35 inch quads and 22 inch calves all in completely rock hard shredded condition. Until next time...Peace
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these are just things i found doing a quick google search. i dont think you're gonna find jay cutler's cycle leading up to the Olympia but you can be sure it's pretty heavy.
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Originally Posted by snigg
Inside The World of Professional Bodybuilding
"When my guys tell you it costs more than $25,000 to get ready for a big contest, do you think they’re talking about pasta?"
—Wayne Demilia, President of the International Federation of Body Builders (IFBB)
As quoted from the New York Times May 13, 2001
The Drug Cycle of an IFBB Professional Bodybuilder
As the following drug cycle commenced, our interviewee was 14 weeks out from the world’s most prestigious bodybuilding event, the Mr. Olympia. Upon beginning this cycle he weighed a whopping 280 pounds. Due to the possibility that he could be identified, his contest weight and his placement at the event will not be published. Below is his cycle as it was given to me (please see the drug guide at the end of the article for a brief explanation of the drugs used).
Week 14
400 mg/wk Testosterone [specific ester name not given]
200 mg/wk methenolone enanthate
25 mg/day methandrostenolone
Total weekly androgen dose: 775 mg
Week 13
400 mg/wk Testosterone [specific ester name not given]
200 mg/wk methenolone enanthate
25 mg/day methandrostenolone
0.70 mg/day tiratricol
3 IU growth hormone M, W, F
Total weekly androgen dose: 775 mg
Week 12
300 mg/wk Testosterone [specific ester name not given]
300 mg/wk methenolone enanthate
25 mg/day methandrostenolone
0.70 mg/day tiratricol
3 IU growth hormone M, W, F
Total weekly androgen dose: 775 mg
Week 11
300 mg/wk Testosterone [specific ester name not given]
300 mg/wk methenolone enanthate
25 mg/day methandrostenolone
0.70 mg/day tiratricol
3 IU growth hormone administered M, W, F
Total weekly androgen dose: 775 mg
Week 10
200 mg/wk Testosterone [specific ester name not given]
400 mg/wk methenolone enanthate
25 mg/day methandrostenolone
0.70 mg/day tiratricol
3 IU growth hormone administered M, W, F
Total weekly androgen dose: 775 mg
Week 9
152 mg/wk trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate
200 mg/wk nandrolone decanoate
200 mg/wk methenolone enanthate
200 mg/wk dromostanolone
1.05 mg/day tiratricol
3 IU growth hormone, change to daily injections here until Mr. Olympia
Total weekly androgen dose: 752 mg
Week 8
152 mg/wk trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate
200 mg/wk nandrolone decanoate
200 mg/wk dromostanolone
200 mg/wk methenolone enanthate
3 IU/day growth hormone
1.05 mg/day tiratricol
Total weekly androgen dose: 752 mg
Week 7
152 mg/wk trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate
200 mg/wk nandrolone decanoate
200 mg/wk dromostanolone
200 mg/wk methenolone enanthate
4 IU/day growth hormone
1.05 mg/day tiratricol
Begin alternating daily dose of 30 mcg clenbuterol and 100 mg ephedrine (i.e. one day C, next day E)
Total weekly androgen dose: 752 mg
Week 6
100 mg Testosterone suspension administered twice per week
100 mg injectable stanzozolol administered three times per week
228 mg/wk trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate
200 mg/wk dromostanolone
5 IU/day growth hormone
1.05 mg/day tiratricol
Alternating daily dose of 30 mcg clenbuterol or 100 mg ephedrine (i.e. one day C, next day E)
25 mg/day oxandrolone
Local injections with formyldienolone begin here until Mr. Olympia (upper chest, biceps, and side delts)
Total weekly androgen dose: 1,103 mg*
Week 5
50 mg nandrolone phenpropionate administered twice per week
100 mg Testosterone suspension administered twice per week
100 mg injectable stanzozolol administered three times per week
228 mg/wk trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate
200 mg/wk dromostanolone
5 IU/day growth hormone
1.05 mg/day tiratricol
Alternating daily dose of 30 mcg clenbuterol or 100 mg ephedrine (i.e. one day C, next day E)
25 mg/day oxandrolone
Local injections with formyldienolone (upper chest, biceps, side delts)
Total weekly androgen dose: 1,203 mg*
Week 4
100 mg nandrolone phenpropionate administered three times per week
200 mg/wk dromostanolone
100 mg Testosterone suspension administered three times per week
100 mg injectable stanozolol administered three times per week
1.05 mg/day tiratricol
Alternating daily dose of 30 mcg clenbuterol or 100 mg ephedrine (i.e. one day C, next day E)
25 mg/day oxandrolone
5 IU/day growth hormone
Local injections with formyldienolone (upper chest, biceps, side delts)
500 mg/day testolactone
500 mg/day tolbutamide
100 mg/day mesterolone
Total weekly androgen dose: 1,975 mg*
Week 3
100 mg nandrolone phenpropionate administered three times per week
200 mg/wk dromostanolone
100 mg Testosterone suspension administered three times per week
100 mg injectable stanozolol administered three times per week
1.05 mg/day tiratricol
Alternating daily dose of 30 mcg clenbuterol and 100 mg ephedrine (i.e. one day C, next day E)
25 mg/day oxandrolone
5 IU/day growth hormone
Local injections with formyldienolone (upper chest, biceps, side delts)
500 mg/day testolactone
500 mg/day tolbutamide
100 mg/day mesterolone
Total weekly androgen dose: 1,975 mg*
Week 2
50 mg nandrolone phenpropionate administered twice per week
100 mg/day mesterolone
1.05 mg/day tiratricol
100 mg injectable stanozolol administered three times per week
100 mg/day Testosterone suspension
600 mg/day testolactone
500 mg/day tolbutamide
750 mg/day aminoglutethimide
Alternating daily dose of 30 mcg clenbuterol or 100 mg ephedrine (i.e. one day C, next day E)
25 mg/day oxandrolone
5 IU/day growth hormone (GH stops this week)
Local injections with formyldienolone (upper chest, biceps, side delts)
Total weekly androgen dose: 1,975 mg*
Week Preceding the Mr. Olympia
50 mg nandrolone phenpropionate administered twice this week
100 mg/day mesterolone
100 mg injectable stanozolol Monday, Wednesday, and Friday
100 mg Testosterone suspension Saturday, Tuesday, Thursday
600 mg/day testolactone
500 mg/day tolbutamide
25 mg/day oxandrolone
Alternating daily dose of 30 mcg clenbuterol or 100 mg ephedrine (i.e. one day C, next day E)
750 mg/day aminoglutethimide
Local injections with formyldienolone (upper chest, biceps, side delts)
Total weekly androgen dose: 1,575 mg*
Total androgen dose for 14 week cycle: 15,937 mg*
*Androgen totals do not include site injections of formyldienolone or oral administration of testolactone.
well this might give you an idea im sure this is all out dated and does not resemble anything that cuttler or other top guys are doing today.
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Originally Posted by numba1scrapper
I agree with Sniggs second post, A long time ago I also wondered this, to the point where it was driving me crazy.. I didnt find Jay Cutler or Ronnie Colemans cycle but I did find 1 of Hidetada Yamagishis cycles after I did much research about him after he was arrested.
I dont remember the cycle to be honest but I remember it was like 5-6 compounds which is nuts, at retarded doses.. I remember two of the compounds being test and Anadrol.. I believe the test was dosed at 1,800mg per week and the Anadrol was like 300-400mg a day or some rediculous shit like that.
GODDAMN THATS A BIG JAP!!!! lol
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Originally Posted by numba1scrapper
I agree with Sniggs second post, A long time ago I also wondered this, to the point where it was driving me crazy.. I didnt find Jay Cutler or Ronnie Colemans cycle but I did find 1 of Hidetada Yamagishis cycles after I did much research about him after he was arrested.
I dont remember the cycle to be honest but I remember it was like 5-6 compounds which is nuts, at retarded doses.. I remember two of the compounds being test and Anadrol.. I believe the test was dosed at 1,800mg per week and the Anadrol was like 300-400mg a day or some rediculous shit like that.
I'm assuming for AAS issues? Anyone know how pro's get out of shit like that to begin with?
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Who gives a shit what they do?
1. 99.9% of you will never be able to attain the physiques those guys have. Those guys can look like that because they have great genetics and use a shit ton of drugs.
2. Even if you did, you would be relying mainly on the drugs, as you can see by that ridiculous cycle above (if its a real cycle) just like most of these guys.
3. Have you seen 99.9% of pro BBers 10 years after they retire? They look like shit, or are much much smaller than they ever were. Again, a physique built on drugs. Some might have a decent build afterwards, but they are much smaller, or look like shit.
A physique built on drugs is what most recreational AAS users unfortunately have. That is why we see so much yo-yoing with guys we know who juice. They rely on the drugs, instead of training and diet, and afterwards, they are weak or look like shit, or both.
The key for all of you should be to:
1. Grow the most you can naturally (for most of you this means >200lbs).
2. Focus on your diet and training always
3. AAS should be used as a tool... not a crutch, once you've truly reached a plateau
4. Maintain a solid physique during and after PCT until your natty test is recovered (the only true way to measure if you're doing things right)
5. Stop worrying about what everyone else is doing and focus on yourself.
Most will never follow this and will end up back where they started or worse.
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KEEP IT HEAVY IN THE GYM.
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Originally Posted by RJH90210
Who gives a shit what they do?
1. 99.9% of you will never be able to attain the physiques those guys have. Those guys can look like that because they have great genetics and use a shit ton of drugs.
2. Even if you did, you would be relying mainly on the drugs, as you can see by that ridiculous cycle above (if its a real cycle) just like most of these guys.
3. Have you seen 99.9% of pro BBers 10 years after they retire? They look like shit, or are much much smaller than they ever were. Again, a physique built on drugs. Some might have a decent build afterwards, but they are much smaller, or look like shit.
A physique built on drugs is what most recreational AAS users unfortunately have. That is why we see so much yo-yoing with guys we know who juice. They rely on the drugs, instead of training and diet, and afterwards, they are weak or look like shit, or both.
The key for all of you should be to:
1. Grow the most you can naturally (for most of you this means >200lbs).
2. Focus on your diet and training always
3. AAS should be used as a tool... not a crutch, once you've truly reached a plateau
4. Maintain a solid physique during and after PCT until your natty test is recovered (the only true way to measure if you're doing things right)
5. Stop worrying about what everyone else is doing and focus on yourself.
Most will never follow this and will end up back where they started or worse.
i agree with you there bro...
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i agree with RJ too,
sounds like th OP wants a shortcut. Of course all you read on this site is 50mg/wk test only because BEGINNERS come here and we dont want them starting off on cycles like the one snigg posted above. They will look at jay cutler, then that cycle, and if they can afford it, go straight into something like that because they will figure"if it worked for him, itll work for me."
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$25,000.00 to get ready for the big contest????
Thats it?????
Shit!!!!.... I spent twice that amount on my FILTHY ASS, LOWLIFE, GUTTERWORE, EX-CUNT, FIANCEE'S ENGAGEMENT STONE!!!!!
...... BUT IT DID WIN ME THE MR. "O-CHUMP-IA TITLE!!!!! WHAT A WHORE! LOL
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Originally Posted by CHIP WADOWSKI
Shit!!!!.... I spent twice that amount on my FILTHY ASS, LOWLIFE, GUTTERWORE, EX-CUNT, FIANCEE'S ENGAGEMENT STONE!!!!!
WHAT A WHORE! LOL
whoa, it's like you know my soon to be ex wife. I mean, you described her to a "T". If this is true, you owe me royalties for the D cups I bought lol
Now, as to not highjack the thread. RJH is right. Nuff said.
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Originally Posted by scotimusprime
i agree with RJ too,
sounds like th OP wants a shortcut. Of course all you read on this site is 50mg/wk test only because BEGINNERS come here and we dont want them starting off on cycles like the one snigg posted above. They will look at jay cutler, then that cycle, and if they can afford it, go straight into something like that because they will figure"if it worked for him, itll work for me."
what the fuck do you know...
Youre all like 300 pounds and just cause I said I was 160 lbs you automatically think I dont know about dietiing!?
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Originally Posted by rjh90210
Why!!!!!!!!!!..... Fuck the MotherF****n, Cock****in, piece of sh*t, god d**n link!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ahhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I dont Fuc**n need any Fuc**n Anger god d**n Fuc**n Management classes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'M PERFECTLY FUC**N WELL GOD D**N BALANCED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Excuse me, miss.... May i please have extra ketchup and mustard on the side.... Thank you so very much and have a wonderful day!! ;-))
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