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    I am starting a cycle soon wanted to get some input. I have searched and cannot really find any info. I have test 400 (150 cyp, 150 eth and 100 prop). I also have 200mg prop. I dont know how I should stack these - Do I front load the prop or do I back load? Also, do I pin once a week with the test 400 or Mondays and Thursdays?
    Have read that 400 hurts like a monkeys uncle but that is stuff from mex. Mine is from Eur. and have read that PIP is not as bad as long as you warm the syringe and massage the area after injection and make sure you go deep.

    I was going to use HCGenerate while on cycle
    PCT
    Adex .5mg EOD or E3D?
    Unleashed - 3 pills before bed
    Forma-stanzol - last few weeks of cycle and continue for PCT
    HCG will be 250iu twice a week starting my 3 week of cycle and run it to my PCT

    I have Letro, Nolva and Torem
    I will prob. run the Torem for PCT and maybe some Clomi

    Any input would greatly be appreciated!

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    i would run .75 ml 2x a week of the T400. if this is your first cycle.

    you could run some prop at the beginning of a low dose til the longer esters kick in. prop should be shot EOD though.

    as far as the pain, i dont care what they say-that mixture is gonna hurt, i would get some oil based B-12 to thin it out a lil.

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    I do have b12 but not sure if it oil based - red as hell - How do can tell if it is oil based? Rub on fingers?
    So run a front load of the prop at a low dose while doing the .75 T400? Can I put in same syringe or should I separate? If I separate - can I stick in the same area?
    Thanks

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    put it in the same syringe. you can always mix oil based soulitons in same syringe.

    you have 100mg prop in your t400 so this is how i would do it.

    you have to run the prop EOD, when its by itself.

    2 of the days-of the EOD schedule per week, i would pin .75 T400 and .25ml of the prop(together in same syringe). then on your EOD shedule that are not part of that 2 day t400 shot i would pin .5ml of the prop.

    so one week you will do 1 prop only shot, the next you will do 2. then repeat.

    basically just follow an EOD schedule but only pin the T400 2 x each week.

    stop the prop solo after like 4-5 weeks. then roll with just the t400.

    this is a tough schedule for a newbie, alot of pinning and prop is going to hurt your first go round. but you got the shit so i told you how to use it.
    Last edited by THE-DET-OAK; 10-21-2010 at 08:36 PM.

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    actually the math isnt right, it would be an 8th/ml of prop, to = 25mg

    the goal is to pin 100mg of the prop EOD for the first 5 weeks.
    Last edited by THE-DET-OAK; 10-21-2010 at 08:38 PM.

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    save the prop for another cycle.. just cut that test 400 with grapeseed oil or B12 as suggested, you just want to thin out that alcohol and the pain from the prop that is in the Test 400.. take .75ml 2x a week.. 600mg of Test on your first cycle should suffice just fine.. i would not recomend adding in prop until your next cycle as the frequency of pinning and pain problem is not worth the xtra test in your case, especially since your 400 already has some prop in it..

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    Thanks for the help- would it be a waist or just dump to run the 400 as a back load? Trying to get some cyp 300mg and would be only able to get 10ml so cycle thought would be
    Week 1-4 prop eod or e3d
    Week 1-10 cyp mon& thurs
    Week 11-14 test 400 mon & thurs

    Thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigNig View Post
    Thanks for the help- would it be a waist or just dump to run the 400 as a back load? Trying to get some cyp 300mg and would be only able to get 10ml so cycle thought would be
    Week 1-4 prop eod or e3d
    Week 1-10 cyp mon& thurs
    Week 11-14 test 400 mon & thurs

    Thoughts?
    what doses?

    what PCT?

    prop E3D isnt really great

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    The test 400 is 150 e, 150 cyp & 100 prop. Cool so prop eod- my PCT will be unleashed Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 250iu twice a week for 2 weeks then 500iu twice a week for last 2 weeks and liquidtorem ( not sure about does still need to research that).

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    So basically the cycle would look like this (really want to run a 12-14week cycle)
    Prop is 100mg / cyp is 300mg and test 400 is 400mg^
    Week 1-3 prop eod
    Week 1-10 - cyp mon & thurs
    Week 11- 14 test 400 split dose mon & thurs
    All test is by the same ugl and will be cutting t400 with cotton or grape seed oil if I can find sterile oil -any help?
    I will run liquidex .5mgs e3d
    I will also be taking Unleased on & during PCt
    FORMA-STANZOL on and during PCT
    PCT
    Liquid torem 120/90/60/30
    Hcg 250iu Monday and Thursday week 1-2
    Unleashed
    FORMA-STANZOL
    Hcg 500iu Monday and Thursday week 3-4
    Last edited by BigNig; 10-27-2010 at 01:39 AM.

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