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    are dbol 20mg/ed and hgh safe?
    I know one pro-bodybuilder, and he also knows me, so I wouldn't say his name. His body is incredible and huge.

    Yesterday, he said he is now rest period after the contest, but he is taking dbol 10~20mg per day, together with hgh, after the breakfast.

    his logic is this.
    - he thinks dbol 10~20mg has no side effects, like asprin. It just increases the immunity against the dbol though.
    - he checked blood every two month and taking d-bol doesn't affect on his body, even when he completely stoped using steroid.
    - hgh has nothing to do with the testicular function.

    what do you guys think?
    I know that he is a very very expert in this area, but I also know that he is not that reluctant to use heavy dose.

    He might read it, but I've just wondered how others think.
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  2. Important terms in this thread

    Dbol

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    Methandrostenolone, an oral ananbolic steroid popularly used for bulking.



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    A naturally occurring hormone responsible for female characteristics.



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    Every day.



    Post cycle therapy

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    In anabolics, the phase weeks after your cycle in which steroids have left your system and you introduce drugs like clomid and nolvadex to promote natural testosterone recovery.



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    an average person takes 20mg of dbol. BUT, i couldnt really tell you. because everyone has there own thing. theyll take it before a work out. or separate it through out the day. and at that low of a dosage... ive never seen anyone have side effect. so i would have to agree on his logic... but there are those rare cases where some people are super sensitive to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hmchoi View Post
    I know one pro-bodybuilder, and he also knows me, so I wouldn't say his name. His body is incredible and huge.

    Yesterday, he said he is now rest period after the contest, but he is taking dbol 10~20mg per day, together with hgh, after the breakfast.

    his logic is this.
    - he thinks dbol 10~20mg has no side effects, like asprin. It just increases the immunity against the dbol though.
    - he checked blood every two month and taking d-bol doesn't affect on his body, even when he completely stoped using steroid.
    - hgh has nothing to do with the testicular function.

    what do you guys think?
    I know that he is a very very expert in this area, but I also know that he is not that reluctant to use heavy dose.

    He might read it, but I've just wondered how others think.
    I know guys who take 10mg ED of Dbol....forever. I never asked him about his bloodwork but he is VERY knowledgeable and has been around for a long time. If he's doing it. He may very well be onto something. I can't say for certain though since I don't take Dbol year round.

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    10mg of dbol wont do shit so why even risk getting your body shut down? IMO 20mg wouldnt do shit either, I think the minium dose of dbol needed in the sport of bodybuilding to gain anything would be 30. Again, maybe some people have luck with 20mg but I guess to each his own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by numba1scrapper View Post
    10mg of dbol wont do shit so why even risk getting your body shut down? IMO 20mg wouldnt do shit either, I think the minium dose of dbol needed in the sport of bodybuilding to gain anything would be 30. Again, maybe some people have luck with 20mg but I guess to each his own.
    i will +1 on that sir, i saw a perfect feeling an def got some serious results on 40mg, 20 didnt do shit to me. but then again. ive seen some people take 20mg an there body just rocked with it... so eh, like you said to each there own

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    I disagree.
    I d not advocate anyone who aint hardcore...to do it.
    Is he that badass..your friend...???
    Test as trt..of course...
    An oral..Anavar maybe..

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    I am 210 lbs,6'2" and 44 years old.I personally think most things you hear or read in forums are just people retelling what they heard or read.Probably not a whole lot of personal experience when it comes to topics like liver damage.In the short version i take 50 mg of dbol every morning for 12 weeks now.My testicles did not shrink and i feel great.Now about liver issues.I get my liver values tested once a week from the very beginning.And also cholesterol.Yes,my cholesterol levels went very high.I am now taking lipitor to fix this temporary problem.As far as my liver health goes,there was absolutely no change at all.I take a multi vitamin and drink alot of water.That is all I do,with the exception of Lipitor for my high cholesterol.I recently tapered off of my dbol.After 8 weeks of post cycle therapy (pct) i started 600mg test cyp and 300mg deca.All during this time(once a week) i continued to have my liver values tested.There was no change for the worse.Just like as if i wasnt doing cycles at all.I dont drink alcohol or smoke and dont do drugs.So in conclusion not everyone has to worry about liver damage.I never heard of anyone dying from steroid use.I think as long as you are healthy and live healthy you dont need to worry about it.Just remember your post cycle therapy (pct) and you will do fine.
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    10mg of dianabol is to protect against atrophy.
    It was reported that arnold did this for long periods of time(i dont know this to be true)but this thinking is nothing new.
    But even 10mg of Methandrostenolone will cause suppression of HPTA and could cause a rise of liver values.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drewbolic View Post
    10mg of dianabol is to protect against atrophy.
    It was reported that arnold did this for long periods of time(i dont know this to be true)but this thinking is nothing new.
    But even 10mg of Methandrostenolone will cause suppression of HPTA and could cause a rise of liver values.
    Yes.
    At least the "pro" is smart enough to get regular bloodwork.
    Personally, I'm not sure I'll ever take any orals again, virtually all significant side effects can be mostly traced to oral aas. That's not to say they can't be used carefully and the "right" way however.

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    It will definitely affect hpta function...the bridging theor doesnt work...either youre "on" or youre "off"
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    Quick question if you have the knowhow to answer it.
    I am 27 years old
    6***8217; 2 ***8221; tall
    200 pounds fit Athletic.
    Very low body fat
    The question is on my Dianabol only cycle what dose and how long do you recommend? This is my first time using, and yes it is the pill form. I***8217;m not trying to get body builder huge, just gain maybe like 8 to 10 pounds more in muscle, and keep it. My diet is great and will remain so. And help would be great. Thank you

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    Quote Originally Posted by hmchoi View Post
    I know one pro-bodybuilder, and he also knows me, so I wouldn't say his name. His body is incredible and huge.

    Yesterday, he said he is now rest period after the contest, but he is taking dbol 10~20mg per day, together with hgh, after the breakfast.

    his logic is this.
    - he thinks dbol 10~20mg has no side effects, like asprin. It just increases the immunity against the dbol though.
    - he checked blood every two month and taking d-bol doesn't affect on his body, even when he completely stoped using steroid.
    - hgh has nothing to do with the testicular function.

    what do you guys think?
    I know that he is a very very expert in this area, but I also know that he is not that reluctant to use heavy dose.

    He might read it, but I've just wondered how others think.
    Dude, I was worried a little about how much to run and I decided to run 35ed and after about 2 days I bumped it to 40 then 50. Been doing 50 with no sides at all. PLus I stacked it with prop sooo. I say bump that shit up my dawg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bcr4041 View Post
    Quick question if you have the knowhow to answer it.
    I am 27 years old
    6***8217; 2 ***8221; tall
    200 pounds fit Athletic.
    Very low body fat
    The question is on my Dianabol only cycle what dose and how long do you recommend? This is my first time using, and yes it is the pill form. I***8217;m not trying to get body builder huge, just gain maybe like 8 to 10 pounds more in muscle, and keep it. My diet is great and will remain so. And help would be great. Thank you

    Quit posting your question on other peoples threads. Start your own thread

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    ive seen that twice already in other threads

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    You can use Dbol only say 20 mg ED. It is not considered a cycle, does not need post cycle therapy (pct). Dbol is an dht based compound so it does not effect your estrogen levels. I guess 20 mg ED is enough to combat the catabolic effects following your workouts.
    The only to concerns may be liver function and red blood cell count. But yeah, you can used it when you're off cycle (bridging) safely.

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    bro, you could throw down 80mgs EOD or ED and be just fine as long as you are drinking and got a liver support. I do between 40-80mgs when im on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TopGun12345 View Post
    You can use Dbol only say 20 mg ED. It is not considered a cycle, does not need post cycle therapy (pct). Dbol is an dht based compound so it does not effect your estrogen levels. I guess 20 mg ED is enough to combat the catabolic effects following your workouts.
    The only to concerns may be liver function and red blood cell count. But yeah, you can used it when you're off cycle (bridging) safely.

    Glad to read this, cause i'm new on this and like to try 20mg ED. Just add Liv52 for your liver should be ok don't you think?

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    This thread is a few years old.
    Don't use an oral unless you are also injecting testosterone.
    Go research liv52. See if you can find medical studies on it. If you can then you found something that can protect your liver. Come back and show us any links of these medical studies so we can read and then discuss.

    If you are new start off by reading all the stickies on this forum.

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    Waste of time and health using dbol ... Any dose. imho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anzel View Post
    This thread is a few years old.
    Don't use an oral unless you are also injecting testosterone.
    Go research liv52. See if you can find medical studies on it. If you can then you found something that can protect your liver. Come back and show us any links of these medical studies so we can read and then discuss.

    If you are new start off by reading all the stickies on this forum.
    Thanks for some input, i did the researches. Just need to get more information to convince my self .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Telecaster View Post
    Thanks for some input, i did the researches. Just need to get more information to convince my self .
    What are you researching? Taking dbol for very long periods of time with testosterone, or if it's okay to run it solo?
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    I did a 40mg a day kickstart a few cycles back for 5 weeks. I split the 40mg up into 4 times a day. Loved / hate for me with dbol. Loved the strength and quick size (watery) but hated the estrogen bomb that it is and how rapidly it all goes away when they kickstart is complete. Had no problems with bloodwork either. Just know your body because your adjusting your AI before, during and after

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    Quote Originally Posted by halfwit View Post
    What are you researching? Taking dbol for very long periods of time with testosterone, or if it's okay to run it solo?
    I'm new on this, just need to know if i take 10 or 20mg dbol ED is ok? am i will get a benefit of it? i know some people goes 30-50mg. My other question is, if i take 10-20mg ED am i still get the side effect include the gyno? do i need take liv52 and clomid if i take 10-20mg? I appreciate for your answer. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mightysatchmo View Post
    I did a 40mg a day kickstart a few cycles back for 5 weeks. I split the 40mg up into 4 times a day. Loved / hate for me with dbol. Loved the strength and quick size (watery) but hated the estrogen bomb that it is and how rapidly it all goes away when they kickstart is complete. Had no problems with bloodwork either. Just know your body because your adjusting your AI before, during and after
    How long you been using it bro? how do you fight the estrogen bomb? when you finish your cycle is the gyno end too?

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    IF you are not top of controlling estrogen by proactively running an AI like arimidex, and having a stronger ai on hand like letro .. then you should not have estrogen or gyno issues to deal with at all in the first place and you'll be just fine running Dbol (provided you run it with exogenous test as your base)
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