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Sudden death in athletes.....steroid related?
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good article, I just saw another good one today.
Steroids Could Harm Heart's Pumping Ability
Rather than enlarged hearts in weight lifters, study finds problems contracting, relaxing
By Ed Edelson
(HealthDay News) -- Long-term use of anabolic steroids weakens the heart more than had been thought, a new study of weight lifters shows.
The study provides what might be the first clear evidence that these muscle-building drugs, used widely by bodybuilders and athletes, can damage heart function, said Dr. Aaron L. Baggish, an assistant in medicine at Massachusetts General Hospital, and lead author of a report on the study published online April 27 in Circulation: Heart Failure.
"There have been mixed assumptions but very little direct scientific study of what happens to the heart when it is exposed to an anabolic steroid, and none of what happens with chronic use," Baggish said.
Anabolic steroids, which mimic the muscle-building effects of the male hormone testosterone, have been used by athletes in various sports. Among professional baseball players, Mark McGwire recently acknowledged using them off and on for nearly a decade, including 1998, when he hit 73 home runs to set a new major league single-season record. New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez has acknowledged using the drugs, and allegations have linked other big-name players, including Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens, with their use.
For the study, Baggish and his colleagues at Harvard Medical School and McLean Hospital enlisted 19 male weight lifters, including 12 who reported taking, on average, about 675 milligrams of steroids a week for nine years and nine who said they never used steroids. The researchers used Doppler echocardiography, which uses ultrasound to generate moving pictures of the heart's size and function, to study the function of the each weight lifter's left ventricle, which is the blood-pumping chamber.
"The common myth is that steroids make the heart grow massively large," Baggish said. "We didn't see that."
What they did see was that the hearts of the steroid users did not contract as vigorously and relax as efficiently as those of the nonusers.
The ejection fraction of the steroids users -- which is the volume of blood expelled with each beat -- was below normal in 10 of the users but only one of the nonusers. A healthy left ventricle has an ejection fraction of 55 to 70 percent but only two steroid users met that standard, the study found. Also, the measure of relaxation efficiency, which reflects the rate at which blood refills the left ventricle, was reduced by almost half in the steroid users.
"The number of persons in the study was small, and this needs to be studied in larger trials, but the data from this pilot study suggest that steroid use predisposes people to heart failure," Baggish said.
Heart failure, progressive loss of the ability to pump blood, is a leading cause of cardiac deaths.
However, it's not clear from the study how long steroids must be used to cause such heart damage, Baggish said. "Several small studies of shorter duration find damage only with heart relaxation, not contraction," he said. "As use continues, toxicity develops."
And he noted that there have been, "numerous case reports of horrific vascular events from short-term use."
Baggish said he hopes to repeat the study with a larger group of participants to confirm the findings. Meanwhile, he said, "when you add up all of the organ systems that steroids do damage to, and the heart is just one important organ, the logical recommendation is that steroid use is a no-no, for cosmetic or athletic purposes."
The U.S. National Institute on Drug Abuse has more on the dangers of steroids.
SOURCES: Aaron L. Baggish, M.D., assistant in medicine, and associate director, Cardiovascular Performance Program, Massachusetts General Hospital, Boston; April 27, 2010, Circulation: Heart Failure, online
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note they dont say which steroids.... they lump them all together. doubt test only light cycles have these effects, whereas deca has been shown to be rougher on the cardiovascular system.
if its sudden death then who cares lol. as long as i dont rott in pain
makes me worry sometimes, but then there are guys like Greg Valentino who should be dead, but is doing well.
I may not live past 60 or 70 and i dont care. as long as i live like a king, eat want to eat, feel and look great.
Last edited by R1rider; 05-29-2010 at 04:25 AM.
I had a dude at my gym who is a monster at 53 and recently had a heart attack. Obviously this dude has been juicing for years. Kindve draws light on this study. This Guy is still juicing so I guess he doesn't fear heart attacks or is in denial of what could be the cause
Last edited by MightyMouse9999; 05-29-2010 at 07:39 AM.
Or he was just 53 and had an unfortunate heart attack. There are regular people that have heart attacks all the time. But yeah, Im sure roids didnt help his case.
Originally Posted by MightyMouse9999
Fuck it. Who wants to live to be a old miserable cripple drooling all over yourself anyways?
good point. It still can't be worse than being an obese couch potato who ate himself into diabetes and smokes/drinks. Who is going to live forever anyway? Get blood work and monitor your Blood Pressure. I'd say bodybuilders are more in tune with what's going on with their bodies, if they listen to their bodies and don't get greedy or let their ego run their cycles.
Originally Posted by MrRage
IMO i think that everything you do has consequences! For ex. i use aas but i do not smoke or drink, i have never used any other drugs in my life. never even tried pot. pick your poison people. You can smoke/drink get fat. or do crack and other various pills. everyone has something. Everyone has different opinions on what risks are worth it to them. Besides no one can really know the real dangers of long term use of steroids because as far as i know no studies have been done.
pro wrestler Eddie Gurerro died at 36 from a heart attack. lots of guys who were wrestlers from the wwe or whatever they are called now
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Originally Posted by R1rider
he also had a SEVERE cocaine addiction.
Yeah its simple ppl, living kills us , each moment spent is a moment closer to death... Eating food is bad for you and kills you, breathing air kills you, doing drugs kills you , it is just one big ass cluster fuck of death.. We were born to die and when your number is up it gets punched, so live it like every moment is your last , fuck the studies I say, I was born to die and I am gonna ride this bitch how I want all the way to the end whenever where ever that may be .... Just My 2 pennies eh..
Well the answer is YES and NO,
Most sudden cardiac deaths in athletes at a young age are due to about 3 common causalities, HOCM, hypertrophic obstructive cardiomyopathy, which is a congenital thickening of the muscle typically found towards the outflow of the left ventricle, however Ive seen many towards the apex but significantly a minority.
This is an abnormal muscle bundle, again, you are born with it, that causes this unliked approach to sychronistic electrical stimulation of the heart.
Which, depending on the event and stimuli, can cause the heart to go into sudden cardiac dysrhythmia and therefore you have a quivering muscle with no cardiac forward flow, instead of a uniform squeeze of the main pump of your heart.
This thickening is and would be of course and is directly exacerbated by steroid use. Although this is a fair rare event so there would not be studies done to really prove it to the layperson.
But I have seen tons of HOCM patients and we try to poision their hearrt to prevent some of the bad stuff from happening. Thinking of giving a steroid would only be done if we were the heirs of their fortune or they left us the keys to the kingdom in their will.
This phenomenon no doubt kills bodybuilders with sudden cardiac death. As the heart muscle thickens, both b/c most AAS users are morons and dont take care of their blood pressure and that causes this electrical phenomenon, but also coupling with the fact they while on cycle, they rapidly change their lipid profile causing unstable plaques that can rip open and further destabilize the arterial passageway.
This is why most powerlifters die at triple the normal rate in the ages of 40+
Their cardiovascular system simply is worn out. I can go on and on about why, but the mere fact that the studies bear out the fact that they die needlessly bears its own interpretation.
Now as far as young athletes', I provide screening for HOCM, as well as Long QT syndrome and Bruggada's for 99$ for local athletes, more of a community service than a moneymaker.
Even a simple ecg can rule out long qt and brugaddas, well at least for the first variant.
But yeah, if you arent screened, then you maybe the one out of 1000 or 5000 or 10000 who drops dead b/c of unknown heart maladies.
If you really want to know. I can run the screening for about 1000$
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Originally Posted by jjtattoofreak
Originally Posted by Johnnny
So as a side not, in your eductated opinion, what is the best way to manage your lipid profile and blood pressure?
I know a lot of people come from a lot of angles on this subject. For example. RJH90210 recently left the board because of an argument/debate on blood pressure. He claimed to help a bunch of people (non AAS users) with there high BP problem with all natural remedies. then Trev came in and said he was stupid and high BP was nothing to fuck with. And basically if you have a problem, fuck the natty stuff, get some damn meds before you die. That was the basis of the argument.
I was just curious what your thoughts on this was. If someone is currently healthy but is taking AAS, what is the best way to try and manage these 2 things?
Damn Straight Bro....
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