[swoljah]

im 20 years old and stand 5'10 - 185. 8% bodyfat. i have been committed to lifting for the past 8 years and am currently an athlete at a superior junior college.

i have a short offseason in which i need to gain serious strength and size. i have always been interested in steroids and think i am ready to give it a try. my friend literally [I]gave[I] me 1100 mg of legit dbol and i have a solid amount of nolvadex on hand as well. i do not have any reliable access to test, deca, or any other injectables. i figure my good genes along with my virginity to steroids, a dbol only cycle would be enough to promote my desired gains. i have done a TON of research and ultimately feel more confused and ignorant than i did when i started.

I CANT FIND CONSISTENT INFO

so please tell me...
will i really lose all of my gains from dbol or is that strictly a wives tale?

should i take a more concentrated 4-6 week cycle or a more diluted 8-10 week cycle?

what exactly should my doses be?

how long should i stay on the PCT?

i would greatly appreciate any helpful info. i am begging for someone to clear this up. thanks.

[var4me]

You are too young and you should never do oral only cycles. At your age and apparent physical condition, I would recommend you add about 2-3K calories to the daily intake of clean food and run a DC 5 x 5 program. And dont forget to get plenty of sleep.

Take advantage of the high test levels you have naturally right now and think about using AAS when you hit 25-26. Fucking with the endocrine system is no joke.

[THE-DET-OAK]

from what i hear-dbol only will be water-and will go away after cycle. you gotta get some test. or I wouldnt do it. your kinda young to do anything. i do not suggest an oral only.

steroids can stunt your growth-keep that in mind. i never understood why someone would take something that could stunt their growth-if the are trying to grow bigger. those 2 inches i put on from 20-25yrs old-are really important to me now. 6'3 to 6'1 is the difference in dunking a B ball for me.

[1badmofo]

too young and not work the risk of jacking up your system. Dbol only cycle will suck terribly. You will get really bloated and immediately lose all of it when the cycle ends, possibly get a limp dick, shrunken balls, bitch tits etc and be worse off then before you started. IF you ever do anything it needs to be test.

[R1rider]

You are an athlete bro. If you wanna do them, go for it. Make sure you have clomid for a 3 week PCT and run the novaldex through the cycle. Do a longer cycle if you can. You said you had 1100mg? Try taking 30mg a day, in 10 mg doses. Work out hard, eat 4-5k calories, and let the dbol work. Take some liver cleanser with the dbol, it helps. Dbol alone was my first cycle and i gained 25 lbs and kept 18lbs hard from it. Now only if you could get test or deca....

[Uruk Hai]

Originally Posted by R1rider

You are an athlete bro. If you wanna do them, go for it. Make sure you have clomid for a 3 week PCT and run the novaldex through the cycle. Do a longer cycle if you can. You said you had 1100mg? Try taking 30mg a day, in 10 mg doses. Work out hard, eat 4-5k calories, and let the dbol work. Take some liver cleanser with the dbol, it helps. Dbol alone was my first cycle and i gained 25 lbs and kept 18lbs hard from it. Now only if you could get test or deca....

sorry but I call BS on 25lbs

[THE-DET-OAK]

Originally Posted by R1rider

Dbol alone was my first cycle and i gained 25 lbs and kept 18lbs hard from it.

[THE-DET-OAK]

lol u beat me to it!

[THE-DET-OAK]

Originally Posted by R1rider

run the novaldex through the cycle.

[THE-DET-OAK]

Originally Posted by R1rider

Work out hard

[MethTest]

Originally Posted by R1rider

You are an athlete bro. If you wanna do them, go for it. Make sure you have clomid for a 3 week PCT and run the novaldex through the cycle. Do a longer cycle if you can. You said you had 1100mg? Try taking 30mg a day, in 10 mg doses. Work out hard, eat 4-5k calories, and let the dbol work. Take some liver cleanser with the dbol, it helps. Dbol alone was my first cycle and i gained 25 lbs and kept 18lbs hard from it. Now only if you could get test or deca....

did you just recommend to this young guy to do an extended oral only cycle, ur a plum!

hang on your the same guy that is doing a EQ + deca only cycle.


To the original postee..... Some say the weight drops off, other well respected vet bodybuilders on this site disagree and argue that you can keep a large amount. Everyone is different and react differently, myself from experience it gave me lots of strength and size but unfortunatly most of it was water.

If you do go ahead and run this cycle dont run for any longer than 5-6 weeks max!

[Crusader]

Swoljah, you are doing a LOT of wishful thinking and after its over you will be wishing you had not done it. You have been given good advice,thats what you came here for.If you choose not to follow it and you get messed up.....the fault is yours not the steroids.

[swoljah]

thanks for yalls opinions guys.
the growth stunting is not an issue for me. im at my max height with closed growth plates.
the reason im looking to do this at my age is because this is my last year of junior college (no drug tests) and i will be switching to division 1 next year (serious drug tests).
the boost in strength and mass is something i could use desperately and may be what separates me signing with a miami university vs signing with miami of ohio (as an example). so this is something very important to me...not just a fedish or hobby of mine

Articles - SAFELY USING STEROIDS - The Use of Dianabol as a Supplement
i thought this was a very interesting article. idk im just a novice tho. what are yalls opinions on it?
not dogging anyone but i have read hardly ANY testimonials that say they lost all results on dbol...just alot of people that say you WILL lose it...has anyone personally had bad experiences with it?

again thanks for all the help

[THE-DET-OAK]

if thats the case my friend-i say go for it-but get some test!!!!!

[Teutonic]

You will regret not running some test.

[R1rider]

Get test if you can.

[R1rider]

Originally Posted by Uruk Hai

sorry but I call BS on 25lbs

everyone is different man. It worked for me

[Scarz]

ure digging a hole deeper for ureself. just let it go

[swoljah]

alright guys well ima try my hardest to get some test to go with it.

if i cant...im just gonna run the straight dbol only cycle and pray for the best. from what ive read the results on this shit are comepletely hit or miss so maybe i ll get lucky.

either way...i plan to start it up next week. maybe i ll keep a log and help out any future guy in my situation. ima keep a legit log with pics and numbers.

i have about 10 weeks of solid training before practice starts again...
even tho most of yall dont promote a dbol only cycle, can i get some theories on how i shuld run it?

right now im thinking
-as always, lift 5 days per week
-eat my ass off, extraaa water, no alcohol, watch fats and sodium
-30mgs dbol spread out during day mon-fri and take off weekends (similar to the example on the link i provided earlier)
-daily milk thistle
-no nolvadex during cycle unless gyno appears
-use nolvadex, NO, creatine, and milk thistle during pct
-monitor bp

am i missing anything? am i getting anything wrong?

[Scarz]

Originally Posted by swoljah

alright guys well ima try my hardest to get some test to go with it.

if i cant...im just gonna run the straight dbol only cycle and pray for the best. from what ive read the results on this shit are comepletely hit or miss so maybe i ll get lucky.

either way...i plan to start it up next week. maybe i ll keep a log and help out any future guy in my situation. ima keep a legit log with pics and numbers.

i have about 10 weeks of solid training before practice starts again...
even tho most of yall dont promote a dbol only cycle, can i get some theories on how i shuld run it?

right now im thinking
-as always, lift 5 days per week
-eat my ass off, extraaa water, no alcohol, watch fats and sodium
-30mgs dbol spread out during day mon-fri and take off weekends (similar to the example on the link i provided earlier)
-daily milk thistle
-no nolvadex during cycle unless gyno appears
-use nolvadex, NO, creatine, and milk thistle during pct
-monitor bp

am i missing anything? am i getting anything wrong?

listen fool, you will do more damage to your self than helping yourself. Actually you won't be helping yourself AT ALL. You will not keep ANY of the gains you make from dbol. You will only blow up like a water balloon and lose it all after you stop. even your strernth gains. if u want to blow up and keep the gains, u have a better chance at mc donalds.

[swoljah]

this is a quote from an older thread by needsize - a senior moderator

"fact", the more anabolic a drug is, the more it will help you to build actual muscle tissue, not water retention, but actual growth.

"fact", dbol is one of the most anabolic drugs out there, mg per mg, it may just be the most anabolic, definitely going by my own experience.

so combine those 2 "facts", and dbol is superior in many ways, to many other anabolic steroids. So why does the old wive's tale about dbol only cycles still persist, that you cant gain and maintain real mass with it....Off hand I can see a few reasons....One, due to another wives tale about how hard it is on the liver, dbol cycles tend to be short, in the order of around 4 weeks, while test and other injectables cycles tend to be in the 8-12 week range. So no brainer, you will gain and keep more off one of the other cycles. Not to mention, add the the mg per week in a test cycle, and compare it to the mgs per week in a dbol cycle, the dbol user is using much less.

Also add in the fact that many that run dbol only cycles due so because they dont want to inject, which tends to have the users who are much less serious about bodybuilding taking this route...those more serious about getting huge, will get over their fear of poking. So this often being the case, the user knows less about training and nutrition, so they dont gain as much pure mass from the cycle as the experienced or serious user. Most of what they gain tends to be water, which of course is pissed out when they stop they cycle, regardless of the pct you follow. Also, this less experienced user, often has difficulty telling the difference between the water gained, and the muscle mass, this is easy to do as much of that water is held within the muscle, its not bloat....I fell for this many times during my early cycles

But I can honestly attribute much of my overall mass to dbol, arnold called it the breakfast of champions for a reason, and I think he knew more about bodybuilding than your average person who has these opinions of dbol. Mg per mg, dbol is by far the best steroid I have ever used...I have been cycling pretty extensively over the years, and as my avatar shows, I've done pretty well. And I am willing to bet I wouldnt be half this advanced without the drug

Dbol only cycles can be done successfully with lots of mass retained, you just need to keep a few things in mind




i guess hes a "fool" too huh bud?

[Biggin]

[QUOTE=swoljah;2143598]this is a quote from an older thread by needsize - a senior moderator

"fact", the more anabolic a drug is, the more it will help you to build actual muscle tissue, not water retention, but actual growth.

"fact", dbol is one of the most anabolic drugs out there, mg per mg, it may just be the most anabolic, definitely going by my own experience.

so combine those 2 "facts", and dbol is superior in many ways, to many other anabolic steroids. So why does the old wive's tale about dbol only cycles still persist, that you cant gain and maintain real mass with it....Off hand I can see a few reasons....One, due to another wives tale about how hard it is on the liver, dbol cycles tend to be short, in the order of around 4 weeks, while test and other injectables cycles tend to be in the 8-12 week range. So no brainer, you will gain and keep more off one of the other cycles. Not to mention, add the the mg per week in a test cycle, and compare it to the mgs per week in a dbol cycle, the dbol user is using much less.

Also add in the fact that many that run dbol only cycles due so because they dont want to inject, which tends to have the users who are much less serious about bodybuilding taking this route...those more serious about getting huge, will get over their fear of poking. So this often being the case, the user knows less about training and nutrition, so they dont gain as much pure mass from the cycle as the experienced or serious user. Most of what they gain tends to be water, which of course is pissed out when they stop they cycle, regardless of the pct you follow. Also, this less experienced user, often has difficulty telling the difference between the water gained, and the muscle mass, this is easy to do as much of that water is held within the muscle, its not bloat....I fell for this many times during my early cycles

But I can honestly attribute much of my overall mass to dbol, arnold called it the breakfast of champions for a reason, and I think he knew more about bodybuilding than your average person who has these opinions of dbol. Mg per mg, dbol is by far the best steroid I have ever used...I have been cycling pretty extensively over the years, and as my avatar shows, I've done pretty well. And I am willing to bet I wouldnt be half this advanced without the drug

Dbol only cycles can be done successfully with lots of mass retained, you just need to keep a few things in mind




i guess hes a "fool" too huh bud?[/QUOTE

U want keep no gains from D-bol alone. It's nothing but water weight. Ur main gains will be strength gains, any weight U gain is water, and that will be gone in no time once U cease the D-bol bro!!

[amvdub]

there are a few Pro Hormones out there that can give u some nice dry gains. I wouldn't go with the D-bol only.

Male Performance :: Supplement Kingdom

https://www.tfsupplements.com/store/...uct_list&c=192

Both have some good products.

[DADAWG]

if your ready/old enough to cycle
if the dbol only cycle makes keepable gains

you still only have 1100 mg of dbol which isnt enough to run a long enough cycle.

[swoljah]

Originally Posted by amvdub

there are a few Pro Hormones out there that can give u some nice dry gains. I wouldn't go with the D-bol only.

Male Performance :: Supplement Kingdom

https://www.tfsupplements.com/store/...uct_list&c=192

Both have some good products.

thanks for the advice.
do you think any of these would give drastic results in such a short period? if so, which one? idk a whole lot about legal prohormones...i always thought the good ones were illegal by now