[dznutzx]

I have run a long cycle of a high dosage of test, about a year in duration. I added tren for a couple months at a time throughout.

I never once had to take an anti-E or AI. I never noticed any gyno related issues or symptoms. The side effects really never seemed to be applicable to me.
I have recently lowered my dose to a maintenance level, maybe less then 100mg biweekly. Not exactly being very meticulous about it.


I would say right around the same time I lowered the dose, I started using the SSRI effexor. It is only coincidence that I began taking it while lowering the test dosage. This was roughly 6-8 weeks ago.

About a week ago, unconsciously I believe, because if I did notice any itching or tenderness, it was so minimal I didn't really realize it, I happened to squeeze my right nipple. To my amazement a small droplet of fluid divulged.
In a panic I ordered nolvadex from one source and femara from another, hoping to obtain something as quickly as possible to assist me with this blasphemy. Afterward, researching, by chance, as my left breast area seemed to grow fatter and softer all around, I found that SSRI's have been known to induce gyno. I immediately discontinued the effexor. The next morning performing the ritual "squeeze", I was pleased I could not milk a drop. By the end of the day, this was still the case.
To my amazement, I really felt the left chest area was not as swollen anymore, nearly back to normal. Each side really looked even, and felt fine, with a minimal amount of fat.

I received the nolvadex that afternoon, and decided to take it anyways, hoping to expedite the reduction in size of the left tissue, which was really not noticable at the time.

It is now about 3 hours later, and I am lactating again, and I feel the left breast is swelling a little more again.


Am I nuts? Can this really be happening? Was the SSRI the provocation? Did it onset this problem? And is the nolvadex now the cause?
I had really made a habit of squeezing last week, never failing to get a drop, several times a day, and then the discontinue of the SSRI, and then no drops..then the nolvadex, and now drops.. does anyone have any answers?

[HUNG4RY4N]

Lactation is not a sign of an estrogen problem! You need pramipexole or dostinex, prami is preferred. Discontinue the nolvadex immediatley, it will just worsen your sides!!! Once again, nolvadex will just worsen this since it is not estrogen induced!

In your situation I'd take 25 mg of aromasin with 1 mg of prami. You should taper up the prami by .25 mgs to avoid sides.

Good luck bro

[Teutonic]

Never heard of SSRI induced gyno...or them interacting with a steroid to cause it...
I really wish you well...Coming down off that year long cycle could be playing into your feeling the need for the ssri....
How long since the tren ? It ll wreak havoc on the psyche...for some of us...

[dznutzx]

I have only taken the one dose of nolvadex. I am still able to squeeze out a minor amount of fluid. only a tiny drop every few hours with a very hard squeeze. I was getting much more out while taking the daily SSRI dosage, before ever touching the nolvadex.

I've read nolvadex has a 5-7 day halflife in one article, and up to 14 days in another. I pray this lactation is only the cause of the nolvadex. And all will return to normal shortly.

Anything I can do to fight the effects of this nolvadex? any vitamins or anything?

[dznutzx]

Drugs and Medications that cause Gynecomastia - Big Male Breasts
(effexor cause)

Symptoms of Low Testosterone - Testosterone Replacement | Low Testosterone
(low test cause gyno...can this gyno development be from going OFF the high test dose?)

[HUNG4RY4N]

Originally Posted by HUNG4RY4N

take 25 mg of aromasin with 1 mg of prami. You should taper up the prami by .25 mgs to avoid sides.

once lactation is halted lower the prami dose to .25 - .5 mg
just my opinion

[Scarz]

Originally Posted by HUNG4RY4N

Lactation is not a sign of an estrogen problem! You need pramipexole or dostinex, prami is preferred. Discontinue the nolvadex immediatley, it will just worsen your sides!!! Once again, nolvadex will just worsen this since it is not estrogen induced!

In your situation I'd take 25 mg of aromasin with 1 mg of prami. You should taper up the prami by .25 mgs to avoid sides.

Good luck bro

if it's not an estrogen related gyno how can an ai help?

Cabergoline is the way to go. Take 0.5mg every 4th day.

[ythrashin]

Leaking nips is a sure sign its Prolactin induced gyno. The nolvadex further increased the sides since nolva increases progestins affinity of attaching to the progesterone receptor. Tren and Deca are both progestins...

Prolactin is caused by elevated progestins, estrogen or both....

I'd run a combo of an AI and cabaser or Prami. Prami will work a bit faster then the Cabaser/dostinex...

[ythrashin]

Originally Posted by Scarz

if it's not an estrogen related gyno how can an ai help?

Cabergoline is the way to go. Take 0.5mg every 4th day.

Controlling both estrogen and attacking prolactin directly is the for sure way to lower prolactin since both estrogen and progestins can cause elevated prolactin levels.

Running caber or Prami will not lower progestin levels(since the progestin is the Tren or Deca) but attack the problem head on inhibiting your bodies ability to make prolactin.

Lowering estrogen and also removing the progestin(Tren/deca) from the equation will help lower prolactin production without Prami or Caber.

[dznutzx]

letro and prime. is on its way.
I just pray it comes in time for a full reversal.

anything I can do to minimize any growth?
I started using grape seed extract...b6...smoking too, that's supposed to lower estrogen.
ive cut out all coffee and milk, nearly starving myself so as to not provide my body with any calories it can use to grow in the chest area.

[ythrashin]

That's about all you can do I think till your Letro and Prami come in...

[Scarz]

meanwhile he can help out in the breast feeding department...

[macro]

prolactin issues are also caused by excess dopamine from androgens/progestins (since most strong androgens have Pgr binding, whether agonist or antagonist and also tend to suppress natural progesterone).

[dznutzx]

excess dopamine... then why the Prime.? All i've been reading suggests increasing dopamine levels will combat the excess prolactin. So i've since added ephedrine to the mix, as it's supposed to increase dopamine.

[macro]

Originally Posted by dznutzx

letro and prime. is on its way.
I just pray it comes in time for a full reversal.

anything I can do to minimize any growth?
I started using grape seed extract...b6...smoking too, that's supposed to lower estrogen.
ive cut out all coffee and milk, nearly starving myself so as to not provide my body with any calories it can use to grow in the chest area.

cutting kcals, adequate hydration are good. you can add nicotine tablets or gum (it will help)... high dose p5p or b6 taken through day MAY help a little, really depends....

[JMC]

Originally Posted by Scarz

meanwhile he can help out in the breast feeding department...

[hqg]

I am In a similar problem.Ive been running a test,tren,masteron combo.

i usually do low dose test in my cycles as a base since I am very sensitive to estrogen.I've been thinking the masteron could be fake and be some kind of aromatision steroid so i've been on nolvadex for a week and it didnt help at all so now I'm thinking it was progesterone from the tren that caused the gyno. So today i've decided to change my cycle ,cut the tren and continue with moderate doses of test and masteron.First time using masteron Because i was interested in its anti-E properties.So I'm guessing that masteron dosent work well as an anti-e for tren.

I'll let you guys know how it goes.Will continue small doses of nolvadex t'ill the gyno stops

Feel free to add any comments on this...This sucks

[THE-DET-OAK]

dude read the thread-if you just came off the tren-drop the nolvadex and get some prami and an AI

[hqg]

Were do I get prami and an AI ? And whats the exact name of the substance?I'm not familiar with these slangs.Are you talking about arimidex or femera(sp?)?

I would need it pretty fast cause the progesterone effects of tren should were off within 2 weeks probably. do you think I should drop the nolvadex for a few days cause I will need it if I up the test and usualy nolvadex works for test for me.?

[hqg]

by the way its tren enan so it sucks for me that it last longer

[THE-DET-OAK]

aromasin=exemestane

pramipexole

get them from RUI-lightning fast shipping-legal-banner at top of page

[Teutonic]

listen to newbie

[hqg]

I live in canada bros how fast can it be here?

[hqg]

I didnt see no prami in the RUI store?? So what about Liquid Cab 0.5mg/mL ?

I want to order everything at the same time were do I get prami?

Please let me know guys I apreciate your help. Its really effecting my mental not to be able to control gyno right away.

by the way this forum looks like it has good smart vets.I might hang out a bit here.

[macro]

liquid cabergoline is worthless.

for pramipexole and exemestane use researchstop

if you want cabergoline get tabs, either cabaser or dostinex. reccomend aurapharm for that.

as a note exemestane should be taken with a high fat meal