Caber/HCG

[AustinTX]

Originally Posted by newbie23

good point-but in that case HCG would only be effective if he planned on staying on it indefineatley-he is trying to get back to normal-so HCG would do nothing to help him.

correct me if i am wrong but i am pretty sure HCG is suppressive? this is why we stop HCG before pct.

yeah, I was being overly semantic, can prami cause ADD and OCD at the same time?

I was speaking in the something is wrong so we're bypassing part of the HPTA to boost test; not a lot of use for a 24 yo who hopefully won't need to be on TRT. Hopefully he'll get his natural production to increase through another round of PCT, during which you want natural LH to pick up so don't want to short circuit with HCG...

[newbie23]

Originally Posted by AustinTX

yeah, I was being overly semantic, can prami cause ADD and OCD at the same time?

lol-yea maybe

[jadioj]

Macro or anyone else knowledgeable.

Can you lay out how I go on an AI and then follow up with Clomid as you said?

Is there a difference amongst the AIs so EXE, Ana or letro?

Lastly, I did take Gaspari Novedex XT, is that an OTC AI? I feel like that may have screwed me after the prohormones too.

[newbie23]

the pro hormones screwed you up-cause you waited too long for PCT

[ythrashin]

Originally Posted by newbie23

good point-but in that case HCG would only be effective if he planned on staying on it indefineatley-he is trying to get back to normal-so HCG would do nothing to help him.

correct me if i am wrong but i am pretty sure HCG is suppressive? this is why we stop HCG before pct.

HCG is suppressive to your HPTA.

While running HCG your body will stop producing or lower LH production. So when you stop running HCG your testosterone levels will take a nose dive... why? Because your body will have to recover just like after running a AAS cycle. Your body has to start producing LH on its own again.

This same process happens when you take AAS but slightly differently.... Your body detects that testosterone is to high then tells your body to stop producing LH....

When you take only HCG your Testosterone levels will spike for a short period of time then your body will realize that your test is to high then will cut down on LH production....

So if you cycle just HCG you need a PCT after...

On the other hand there may be a time when it could be used for TRT... Say if your body couldn't produce enough LH on its own but the Testes/leydig cells were fully functional...

But if your LH levels are high/normal and your Testes/leydig cells are fucked it wont do shit....or could do more damage to leydig cells...

You need to talk to a experienced endo or HRT/TRT doc.

[macro]

Originally Posted by newbie23

the pro hormones screwed you up-cause you waited too long for PCT

actually many people do run PCT, quite aggravating the issue (since they run tamox- as the PH whores love it-- of course they base such love on false assumptions... though that is a digression that is way too long to discuss in this thread.

clomiphene and pramipexole or cabergoline is among the best options for such HPGA restoral.

strong androgens and progestins (quite often the same things) tend to cause lasting PRL and PROG issues.

a little thread on pramipexole, more oriented towards gynecomastia though much is just as related to hpga

Pramipexole and prolactin suppression: prevention vs. treatment dosing - AFboard

[jadioj]

I dont get the AI recommendation. Everything I have read said they kill libido. I dont get why it negatively affects libido, is it only if estrogen gets really low?

[jadioj]

bump

[macro]

Originally Posted by jadioj

I dont get the AI recommendation. Everything I have read said they kill libido. I dont get why it negatively affects libido, is it only if estrogen gets really low?

too low is where issues begin