Important Contest Guys!! ..Big Prizes

[Livingsteel]

We need everyones educated opinions on the following topics and questions. Please think about your response and post your opinion here. There will be 2 prizes awarded for the best responses on each board !! Amounts will be 300$ gift certificate for first place and 150$ gift certificate for second prize courtesy of axiolabs !

The questions that need to be answered are:
Why are steroids illegal.
I would like to see arguments for why steroids should not be illegal and how it would be better for us if they were not illegal.
They could be regulated, taxed, restricted by age limits but not illegal.

So what are your opinions on what the governments motivation is for making steroids illegal if they are not addictive, healthy and used by people that are focussed.
Why is the government wrong about ther position.

Please post your educated well thought out responses!!!!

[Biggin]

1. Steroids are not illegal, only illegal without a prescription.
2. I feel steroids should remain illegal due to the fact that surrounds abuse and uneducated people using them. Hell, read around on all these forums, U will see what I mean! Besides if they were made legal, UGL'S such as Axio and Syntrop will be out of business, period! Axio and Syntrop cannot compete with Pharmaceutical Kingpins such as Pfizer, UpJohn, Watson. These will be the first to shut all UGL'S down. Besides, We the bodyduilding community have a bad rep as is, this will only add fuel to the FIRE!!
3. The Governments motivation for making steroids illegal is due to abuse and possibly death, due to uneducated users that will suffer serious sides with the possibility of Death!

[italianstallion]

Why are steroids illegal.

Steroids are illegal because they have ill affects on to peoples health who use them whether you use proper post cycle or not. Also i think mainly because the government and drug companies make huge profits on their medicines which would include test for TRT and such. Same reason why oxycotin is illegal because people miss use it for recreational purposes just like steroids out of vanity instead of legit health reasons.

I would like to see arguments for why steroids should not be illegal and how it would be better for us if they were not illegal.

It would help out if uses them for personal consumption was how marijuana is now where you can have so much for personal use its just a misdemeanor slap on the wrist and a fine. This is because i mean there should be lower punishment for something that is personal use.

They could be regulated, taxed, restricted by age limits but not illegal.

They are regulated under doctors prescriptions and i guarantee they are defiently taxed along with that considering the doctors bills to to get to see if you need it and prescription prices just to buy it. This ties in again to where your using it for yourself a 21 year old age would be fine. If people want to drink at 15 they will fine a way if they instead want to use steroids they will.

So what are your opinions on what the governments motivation is for making steroids illegal if they are not addictive, healthy and used by people that are focused.

I just think all these old geezers who make the decisions don't know squat about steroids nor do they care. I bigger, stronger faster they were interviewing congressman Henry Waxman who held the trials about the steroids in baseball and he had so little knowledge about steroids he didn't even know if they were illegal. He actually didn't even know what the drinking age was and here he is holding trials on steroids. In the interview they were talking about how bush allotted $20million to steroid awareness and the guy has absolutely no idea where any of that money went. So for the main part i just believe its just people who really have no idea on the situation yet they hold high positions and say its bad because everyone else thinks it is.

[newbie23]

i cant say it better than italian said so i wont try-but everytime a good product comes out -regardless of what it is-the government restricts its use-and makes and killing on it-afterall we are not the leaders in the automotive business anymore-but we sure are in health care.

i the law should be the same as UK-able to possess a certain amount-this might keep it out of the wrong hands.

[hurdlestud7]

LS......Deadline??

[MethTest]

Originally Posted by hurdlestud7

LS......Deadline??

Something tells me your writing a paper on this subject hudlestud!

[HUNG4RY4N]

Why are steroids illegal?
American culture is unique in many aspects; one aspect in which America is unlike any other country is its radical worship of sports. The sports industry in the U.S.A. is unlike any other, the amount of money trading hands in the sports industry is simply incomprehensible. It doesn't matter if you buy a candy bar, a beer, or a new truck; some sports team or athlete was most likely the face of the product's add campaign. Since sports are so sacred to America, the ultimate evil is cheating; and among all the ultimately evil ways to cheat, steroids are the most disgusting and most lowly thought of way. The average American thinks, that the elite athletes are elite athletes due to natural talent, it doesn't cross their mind that in elite level sports the majority of the athletes must use performance enhancing drugs just to keep up with the higher and higher demands made by coaches, fans, and chemically enhanced competition. After we see how important sports are to America, we can understand how an unknowledgeable congressman like Henry Waxman can wholeheartedly start a war against steroids, to keep his beloved sports clean and pure. The other aspects of why steroids are illegal without a prescription, such as potential abuse and the health risk associated with uneducated abuse, have far less weight in terms of why steroids have been made illegal. Sports get media attention, so congressmen will address and try to solve sport related problems to raise their own popularity.


Why should steroids not be illegal and how would it be better for us if they were not illegal?
Steroids should not be illegal, because athletes and civilians alike will still use them if they truly wish to. The only thing that is accomplished by making steroids illegal is that thousands of people are forced to engage in illegal activities and thus the illegality of AAS just creates fertile grounds for crime. If the government were to legalize steroids, their use would simply become a question of age and maturity. Of course they could still be banned by sports associations to try and keep things "fair", but they would no longer be the cause for arrests and prison. Just like alcohol, steroids could still be used responsibly and knowledgably, or irresponsibly and dangerously; but this solely depends on the individual using the compounds. The entirety of the population should not be shackled and punished because of the failure of a few. Hundreds of people die because of drunk driving, and drinking related illnesses every day. Is alcohol illegal?

~Hungarian

[cyto33]

Anabolic-androgenic steroids (AAS) are legal but with out a prescription for treatment they become illegal just like so many others.

These drugs can be legally prescribed to treat conditions resulting from steroid hormone deficiency, such as delayed puberty, as well as diseases that result in loss of lean muscle mass, such as cancer and AIDS.

How Are AAS Abused?

Some people, both athletes and non-athletes, abuse AAS in an attempt to enhance performance and/or improve physical appearance. AAS are taken orally or injected, typically in cycles rather than continuously. “Cycling” refers to a pattern of use in which steroids are taken for periods of weeks or months, after which use is stopped for a period of time and then restarted. In addition, users often combine several different types of steroids in an attempt to maximize their effectiveness, a practice referred to as “stacking.”

How Do AAS Affect the Brain?

The immediate effects of AAS in the brain are mediated by their binding to androgen (male sex hormone) and oestrogen (female sex hormone) receptors on the surface of a cell. This AAS–receptor complex can then shuttle into the cell nucleus to influence patterns of gene expression. Because of this, the acute effects of AAS in the brain are substantially different from those of other drugs of abuse. The most important difference is that AAS are not euphorigenic, meaning they do not trigger rapid increases in the neurotransmitter dopamine, which is responsible for the “high” that often drives substance abuse behaviours. However, long-term use of AAS can eventually have an impact on some of the same brain pathways and chemicals—such as dopamine, serotonin, and opioid systems—that are affected by other drugs of abuse. Considering the combined effect of their complex direct and indirect actions, it is not surprising that AAS can affect mood and behaviour in significant ways.

AAS and Mental Health

Preclinical, clinical, and anecdotal reports suggest that steroids may contribute to psychiatric dysfunction. Research shows that abuse of anabolic steroids may lead to aggression and other adverse effects.1 For example, although many users report feeling good about themselves while on anabolic steroids, extreme mood swings can also occur, including manic-like symptoms that could lead to violence.2 Researchers have also observed that users may suffer from paranoid jealousy, extreme irritability, delusions, and impaired judgment stemming from feelings of invincibility.

Addictive Potential

Animal studies have shown that AAS are reinforcing—that is, animals will self-administer AAS when given the opportunity, just as they do with other addictive drugs. This property is more difficult to demonstrate in humans, but the potential for AAS abusers to become addicted is consistent with their continued abuse despite physical problems and negative effects on social relations.5 Also, steroid abusers typically spend large amounts of time and money obtaining the drug: this is another indication of addiction. Individuals who abuse steroids can experience withdrawal symptoms when they stop taking AAS—these include mood swings, fatigue, and restlessness, loss of appetite, insomnia, reduced sex drive, and steroid cravings, all of which may contribute to continued abuse. One of the most dangerous withdrawal symptoms is depression— when persistent, it can sometimes lead to suicide attempts.
Research also indicates that some users might turn to other drugs to alleviate some of the negative effects of AAS. For example, a study of 227 men admitted in 1999 to a private treatment center for dependence on heroin or other opioids found that 9.3 percent had abused AAS before trying any other illicit drug. Of these, 86 percent first used opioids to counteract insomnia and irritability resulting from the steroids.
What Other Adverse Effects Do AAS Have on Health?
Steroid abuse can lead to serious, even irreversible health problems. Some of the most dangerous among these include liver damage; jaundice (yellowish pigmentation of skin, tissues, and body fluids); fluid retention; high blood pressure; increases in LDL (“bad” cholesterol); and decreases in HDL (“good” cholesterol). Other reported effects include renal failure, severe acne, and trembling. In addition, there are some gender- and age-specific adverse effects:
 For men—shrinking of the testicles, reduced sperm count, infertility, baldness, development of breasts, increased risk for prostate cancer
 For women—growth of facial hair, male-pattern baldness, changes in or cessation of the menstrual cycle, enlargement of the clitoris, deepened voice
 For adolescents—stunted growth due to premature skeletal maturation and accelerated puberty changes; risk of not reaching expected height if AAS is taken before the typical adolescent growth spurt
In addition, people who inject AAS run the added risk of contracting or transmitting HIV/AIDS or hepatitis, which causes serious damage to the liver.

What Treatment Options Exist?

There has been very little research on treatment for AAS abuse. Current knowledge derives largely from the experiences of a small number of physicians who have worked with patients undergoing steroid withdrawal. They have learned that, in general, supportive therapy combined with education about possible withdrawal symptoms is sufficient in some cases. Sometimes, medications can be used to restore the balance of the hormonal system after its disruption by steroid abuse. If symptoms are severe or prolonged, symptomatic medications or hospitalization may be needed.
How Widespread Is AAS Abuse?

Monitoring the Future Survey*

Monitoring the Future is an annual survey used to assess drug use among the Nation’s 8th-, 10th-, and 12th-grade students. While steroid use remained stable among all grades from 2007 to 2008, there has been a significant reduction since 2001 for nearly all prevalence periods (i.e., lifetime,** past-year, and past-month use) among all grades surveyed. The exception was past-month use among 12th-graders, which has remained stable. Males consistently report higher rates of use than females: for example, in 2008, 2.5 percent of 12th-grade males, versus 0.6 percent of 12th-grade females, reported past-year use.
Anabolic Steroid Use by Students
2008 Monitoring the Future Survey
8th Grade 10th Grade 12th Grade
Lifetime** 1.4% 1.4% 2.2%
Past Year 0.9% 0.9% 1.5%
Past Month 0.5% 0.5% 1.0%



As far as the government being wrong in having these regulated, I can’t say they are.
I think they should be attainable from a doctor for more then just ailments. That way steroids would be monitored from a doctor’s point of view and treatment would be set into place for any unseen misfortunes.
I think the only way though that you should be allowed to get steroids from a doctor for body building, is if you can prove that you are educated on the use and potential problem that my occur during and after a cycle.

[hurdlestud7]

Originally Posted by MethTest

Something tells me your writing a paper on this subject hudlestud!

actually the 17 year old fat chick with the 4.0 and pimply face is writing it for me . All it took was a large meal from Mcdonalds, a DIET coke and a twilight poster.

[newbie23]

Originally Posted by hurdlestud7

actually the 17 year old fat chick with the 4.0 and pimply face is writing it for me . All it took was a large meal from Mcdonalds, a DIET coke and a twilight poster.

lol-i love the diet coke part!!!!

[TheMilkMan]

I will be posting something as soon as I get the chance... It was Bill that I proposed in a for a project in a politics class a while back. I think everyone will like it...

[var4me]

Originally Posted by Biggin

1. Steroids are not illegal, only illegal without a prescription.
2. I feel steroids should remain illegal due to the fact that surrounds abuse and uneducated people using them. Hell, read around on all these forums, U will see what I mean! Besides if they were made legal, UGL'S such as Axio and Syntrop will be out of business, period! Axio and Syntrop cannot compete with Pharmaceutical Kingpins such as Pfizer, UpJohn, Watson. These will be the first to shut all UGL'S down. Besides, We the bodyduilding community have a bad rep as is, this will only add fuel to the FIRE!!
3. The Governments motivation for making steroids illegal is due to abuse and possibly death, due to uneducated users that will suffer serious sides with the possibility of Death!

Short, sweet and to the point.

Italianstalian - Why are steroids illegal.

Steroids are illegal because they have ill affects on to peoples health who use them whether you use proper post cycle or not. Also i think mainly because the government and drug companies make huge profits on their medicines which would include test for TRT and such. Same reason why oxycotin is illegal because people miss use it for recreational purposes just like steroids out of vanity instead of legit health reasons.

I would like to see arguments for why steroids should not be illegal and how it would be better for us if they were not illegal.

It would help out if uses them for personal consumption was how marijuana is now where you can have so much for personal use its just a misdemeanor slap on the wrist and a fine. This is because i mean there should be lower punishment for something that is personal use.

They could be regulated, taxed, restricted by age limits but not illegal.

They are regulated under doctors prescriptions and i guarantee they are defiently taxed along with that considering the doctors bills to to get to see if you need it and prescription prices just to buy it. This ties in again to where your using it for yourself a 21 year old age would be fine. If people want to drink at 15 they will fine a way if they instead want to use steroids they will.

So what are your opinions on what the governments motivation is for making steroids illegal if they are not addictive, healthy and used by people that are focused.

I just think all these old geezers who make the decisions don't know squat about steroids nor do they care. I bigger, stronger faster they were interviewing congressman Henry Waxman who held the trials about the steroids in baseball and he had so little knowledge about steroids he didn't even know if they were illegal. He actually didn't even know what the drinking age was and here he is holding trials on steroids. In the interview they were talking about how bush allotted $20million to steroid awareness and the guy has absolutely no idea where any of that money went. So for the main part i just believe its just people who really have no idea on the situation yet they hold high positions and say its bad because everyone else thinks it is.

Very well said. I think the first 2 responses are winners.

[BilboBaggins]

When I ask myself as to why steroids are illegal.... There are some obvious reason, abuse, underage use, health issues concerning steroid use. But in all reality when they decided to make them a controlled substance was there much thought put into it? It was an uneducated, uniformed or should I say misinformed decision.

Do I think they should be illegal? Its gray area, I do think they should be controlled to a certain extent. But where to draw the line?

I guess my stand would be as long as you are doing them as safely to your knowledge as possible, conforming to proper pct from the trial and error of others or your own personal experience. Getting blood work done regularly and taking all other precautions possible. They can remain illegal as long as I do not get caught.

Another way one could look at it as well is from a healthcare workers perspective. All these people that are sick from whatever natural disease, virus or accident are now waiting in line longer because some 17 year uneducated kid slammed a gram of test into his veins.

Conclusion, yes they should be illegal. And I have to say I agree with the government stand point, although misinformed decision.

[1badmofo]

Why are steroids illegal?
One reason steroids are illegal is that the U.S. Federal Government likes to have decisions made by professional politicians rather than subject matter experts. Over-regulation is the FG's typical knee jerk reaction to a few anectdotal cases such as Lyle Alzado blaming his brain tumor on steroids. Also, I believe steroids are illegal due to the public misconceptions like "roid rage" etc, shrunken penises etc. Even many MD's are poorly educated on diet and steroids. Don't believe me, check out a medical school curriculum. I recommend people watch the documentary "Bigger, Stronger, Faster" to see many myths debunked.

Why steroids should not be illegal
Steroids have legitimate medical uses and not should not be illegal, or at least should be decriminalized. The are not physically addictive and the side effects are less than many of the most commonly prescribed drugs and even some OTC's. I find it ironic that people can walk into a Dr's office and get Botulism Toxins injected into their face and this is socially acceptable, but steroids are so frowned upon.

How it would be better for us if they were not illegal
-We would have better access to clean Human Grade products, without the risk of UGLs (the goods UGL's are few compared to the many that are crap)
-We would have much better medical supervision and proper testing
-They could be regulated
-Taxed
-Restricted by age limits

Summary
It is fine to destroy your body with alcohol and cigarettes, but responsible and moderate use of AAS is illegal.
Almost anything you can think of, including vehicles, ciggarettes, alcohol, aspirin, doctors, falls, allergies etc, kill more people than steroids.
Think about countries where steroids are legal, or even the US prior to 1990, is there really an epidemic of monstrous roid heads raging or dying?
Anti-aging clinics are proof that steroids can improve quality of life if used properly.
It's time for this modern era "Prohibition" to end!

[Livingsteel]

this will be on for a bit guys, at least a week, so really give these replies some thoughts!!!

[BilboBaggins]

Originally Posted by Livingsteel

this will be on for a bit guys, at least a week, so really give these replies some thoughts!!!

How exactly are we being graded on this? Essay style? writing style?

[Livingsteel]

Originally Posted by BilboBaggins

How exactly are we being graded on this? Essay style? writing style?

Content...

[fleverglades]

Originally Posted by cyto33

Anabolic-androgenic steroids (AAS) are legal but with out a prescription for treatment they become illegal just like so many others.

These drugs can be legally prescribed to treat conditions resulting from steroid hormone deficiency, such as delayed puberty, as well as diseases that result in loss of lean muscle mass, such as cancer and AIDS.

How Are AAS Abused?

Some people, both athletes and non-athletes, abuse AAS in an attempt to enhance performance and/or improve physical appearance. AAS are taken orally or injected, typically in cycles rather than continuously. “Cycling” refers to a pattern of use in which steroids are taken for periods of weeks or months, after which use is stopped for a period of time and then restarted. In addition, users often combine several different types of steroids in an attempt to maximize their effectiveness, a practice referred to as “stacking.”

How Do AAS Affect the Brain?

The immediate effects of AAS in the brain are mediated by their binding to androgen (male sex hormone) and oestrogen (female sex hormone) receptors on the surface of a cell. This AAS–receptor complex can then shuttle into the cell nucleus to influence patterns of gene expression. Because of this, the acute effects of AAS in the brain are substantially different from those of other drugs of abuse. The most important difference is that AAS are not euphorigenic, meaning they do not trigger rapid increases in the neurotransmitter dopamine, which is responsible for the “high” that often drives substance abuse behaviours. However, long-term use of AAS can eventually have an impact on some of the same brain pathways and chemicals—such as dopamine, serotonin, and opioid systems—that are affected by other drugs of abuse. Considering the combined effect of their complex direct and indirect actions, it is not surprising that AAS can affect mood and behaviour in significant ways.

AAS and Mental Health

Preclinical, clinical, and anecdotal reports suggest that steroids may contribute to psychiatric dysfunction. Research shows that abuse of anabolic steroids may lead to aggression and other adverse effects.1 For example, although many users report feeling good about themselves while on anabolic steroids, extreme mood swings can also occur, including manic-like symptoms that could lead to violence.2 Researchers have also observed that users may suffer from paranoid jealousy, extreme irritability, delusions, and impaired judgment stemming from feelings of invincibility.

Addictive Potential

Animal studies have shown that AAS are reinforcing—that is, animals will self-administer AAS when given the opportunity, just as they do with other addictive drugs. This property is more difficult to demonstrate in humans, but the potential for AAS abusers to become addicted is consistent with their continued abuse despite physical problems and negative effects on social relations.5 Also, steroid abusers typically spend large amounts of time and money obtaining the drug: this is another indication of addiction. Individuals who abuse steroids can experience withdrawal symptoms when they stop taking AAS—these include mood swings, fatigue, and restlessness, loss of appetite, insomnia, reduced sex drive, and steroid cravings, all of which may contribute to continued abuse. One of the most dangerous withdrawal symptoms is depression— when persistent, it can sometimes lead to suicide attempts.
Research also indicates that some users might turn to other drugs to alleviate some of the negative effects of AAS. For example, a study of 227 men admitted in 1999 to a private treatment center for dependence on heroin or other opioids found that 9.3 percent had abused AAS before trying any other illicit drug. Of these, 86 percent first used opioids to counteract insomnia and irritability resulting from the steroids.
What Other Adverse Effects Do AAS Have on Health?
Steroid abuse can lead to serious, even irreversible health problems. Some of the most dangerous among these include liver damage; jaundice (yellowish pigmentation of skin, tissues, and body fluids); fluid retention; high blood pressure; increases in LDL (“bad” cholesterol); and decreases in HDL (“good” cholesterol). Other reported effects include renal failure, severe acne, and trembling. In addition, there are some gender- and age-specific adverse effects:
 For men—shrinking of the testicles, reduced sperm count, infertility, baldness, development of breasts, increased risk for prostate cancer
 For women—growth of facial hair, male-pattern baldness, changes in or cessation of the menstrual cycle, enlargement of the clitoris, deepened voice
 For adolescents—stunted growth due to premature skeletal maturation and accelerated puberty changes; risk of not reaching expected height if AAS is taken before the typical adolescent growth spurt
In addition, people who inject AAS run the added risk of contracting or transmitting HIV/AIDS or hepatitis, which causes serious damage to the liver.

What Treatment Options Exist?

There has been very little research on treatment for AAS abuse. Current knowledge derives largely from the experiences of a small number of physicians who have worked with patients undergoing steroid withdrawal. They have learned that, in general, supportive therapy combined with education about possible withdrawal symptoms is sufficient in some cases. Sometimes, medications can be used to restore the balance of the hormonal system after its disruption by steroid abuse. If symptoms are severe or prolonged, symptomatic medications or hospitalization may be needed.
How Widespread Is AAS Abuse?

Monitoring the Future Survey*

Monitoring the Future is an annual survey used to assess drug use among the Nation’s 8th-, 10th-, and 12th-grade students. While steroid use remained stable among all grades from 2007 to 2008, there has been a significant reduction since 2001 for nearly all prevalence periods (i.e., lifetime,** past-year, and past-month use) among all grades surveyed. The exception was past-month use among 12th-graders, which has remained stable. Males consistently report higher rates of use than females: for example, in 2008, 2.5 percent of 12th-grade males, versus 0.6 percent of 12th-grade females, reported past-year use.
Anabolic Steroid Use by Students
2008 Monitoring the Future Survey
8th Grade 10th Grade 12th Grade
Lifetime** 1.4% 1.4% 2.2%
Past Year 0.9% 0.9% 1.5%
Past Month 0.5% 0.5% 1.0%



As far as the government being wrong in having these regulated, I can’t say they are.
I think they should be attainable from a doctor for more then just ailments. That way steroids would be monitored from a doctor’s point of view and treatment would be set into place for any unseen misfortunes.
I think the only way though that you should be allowed to get steroids from a doctor for body building, is if you can prove that you are educated on the use and potential problem that my occur during and after a cycle.

Very nice use of "cut and paste". Well thought out.

[fleverglades]

Hey Biggin - you bastared - I saw this question, and as I was reading it, I was thinking "bullshit" - steroids should be illegal and I was thinking about why. I was so excited because I thought all of you guys would jump on the "legalize steroids" bandwagon and I was gonna have the most insightful post with the opposite view. Of course, first fucking post after was you with the same thoughts.

And I was just teasing Cyto33.

[Easto]

Why are steroids illegal.

They are misunderstood and if legal would be misused. The dangers of AAS are there. If they are abused they are dangerous. If used by intelligent individuals who understand how to safely use them they have a very low danger level. The problem is steroids are taboo.

why steroids should not be illegal and how it would be better for us if they were not illegal.
For the bodybuilder and professional athlete it would be great if they were legal. You get the added edge from AAS without breaking the law. I find it hard to justify AAS being legal however. But I also think it is ridiculous for them to be illegal and if caught in some countries you could end up in jail. This is probably why some countries treat AAS as a lesser controlled substance (ie, Canada vs USA). In some countried they are thrown into the same group as "drugs". You can argue that AAS are not addictive, but I think its more of a mental addiction. The extra boost, the increased feeling of well-being, the results are all something to be missed when off.

Possibly what would be interesting is possession and purchase of AAS is legal under doctor supervision. A doctor can make sure that they are used safely and the patient is not abusing them. Once discussed with a doctor a prescription type of form is filled out giving the patient authorization to have and use under medical supervision.

[Easto]

I gave my response without reading any of the above posts. It would have been cool to have a deadline and make all submissions private. Then after the deadline, LS could have posted each response that was PM'ed to him or Emailed.

Everyone would be forced to formulate their own opinion instead of stealing other peoples and rewording it. (not accusing anyone, I just think reading what someone else wrote could sway your opinion)

[HUNG4RY4N]

Originally Posted by fleverglades

Very nice use of "cut and paste". Well thought out.

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing.

[HUNG4RY4N]

Originally Posted by Easto

I gave my response without reading any of the above posts. It would have been cool to have a deadline and make all submissions private. Then after the deadline, LS could have posted each response that was PM'ed to him or Emailed.

Everyone would be forced to formulate their own opinion instead of stealing other peoples and rewording it. (not accusing anyone, I just think reading what someone else wrote could sway your opinion)

I wrote mine the same way, not on purpose, I was in a hurry to post it
But I agree It would have been cool to have the answers posted after the contest is over, but that would be a load of work for LS.

[cyto33]

Originally Posted by fleverglades

Hey Biggin - you bastared - I saw this question, and as I was reading it, I was thinking "bullshit" - steroids should be illegal and I was thinking about why. I was so excited because I thought all of you guys would jump on the "legalize steroids" bandwagon and I was gonna have the most insightful post with the opposite view. Of course, first fucking post after was you with the same thoughts.

And I was just teasing Cyto33.

hahahaha i did'nt see in the rule no cut and paste.
no worries bro. i don't have time at the office to type out much. it was a good read though.
i say the govs got to much control over us when we are supose to be free.

i kept checking to see how long it would take to be flamed on that.

[Livingsteel]

keep it up guys