[luco]

Im planning on doing a winstrol only cycle, already been taking glucosamine for 3 weeks prior to starting the cycle n will continue to, and will be taking milk thistle also. Just needed advice on the effect on testosterone, will taking normal retail testosterone pills from places such as GNC and Holland and barrat be effective? Thanks

[Pumpingyork]

how long for??

btw this is a bad idea lol

[Whysoserious]

You can run a winny only cycle if you wish to but restrict it too max 6-8weeks or the winny will dry ya joints out. Dont bother buying test replacement stuff from holland and barrett if you wanna run test buy test prop to run with it

cod liver oil or fish oil a must if running purely winny

what dosage and how often were ya gunna run the stuff

[luco]

Im gonna run it for 5 weeks max, planning to drink at least 4 litres of water a day for the joints, and il be taking 20mg a day, so are you saying buying from the retail shops wouldent be effective?

[MassMonster86]

Unless your pre contest there is no point.

you will be a dry achy son of a bitch ...

clen or anavar with test FTW!!

dont waste your money OR time!

btw the glucosomine will do nothing and takes way longer than 3 weeks to even get any affects from it.

[luco]

iv already got the stuff, the aches and pains from the joints should go away after the 5 week period right?

[Pumpingyork]

Turn this into a proper cycle mate

Test e, Winny and Deca to keep them joints strong, Run the winny for the last 4 weeks, then run Clean for 4 weeks, 2 weeks into PCT.

that will cut u up

[Whysoserious]

the holland and barrett stuff will help but there test booster are a waste of time. If ya wanna boost ya test buy a proper test. Not a rip off imitation that probs wont work.

you would be better stacking the winny with some test prop and if ya can abit npp too

the aches and pains will go away, i have ran a few winny only cycles and few with prop and npp. Given a week or two after finishing everything back to normal.

[Trevdog]

20 mgs. of winstrol a day is less than a third of what you should use if you are going to do winstrol only, which I wouldn't recommend. If you must use winstrol alone, don't even think about less than 50 mgs. per day, and you really should add real testosterone.

[lcgator]

I agree. I doubt you'd notice much of anything from that dose. But this cycle should shut you down nice and good.

[var4me]

Have you done winny before? Its hell on the hair if your prone.

[Pumpingyork]

III. Thou shalt not use an orals only cycle.

The words of god himself!

[Kane_Red_Machine]

Originally Posted by luco

im 18, Im 5ft 11, and 140 pounds, iv been training for around a year with creatine and protein and not getting great gains. Iv started to consider dianabol to get started at 20mg a day for around 3 weeks? thereafter id rather take protien to keep up my gains, and would dianabol help to cut also? any suggestions on if what im planning to do is correct? also been looking at winstrol and turinabol and im really confused about what to take!

Guys, read.

No gear for you Luca. grow natural. anyway, winstroll should never bring big gains for no-one kid. rigth?

[Pumpingyork]

where did u find that?? hahahaha

[MassMonster86]

When the un-knowledgeable come on the board looking for advice... They rarely take it and are merely looking to see if anyone agrees to what THEY have to say.

They are basically waiting for someone to say.. "this and this at this dose is ok.. etc"

...now on to the fact that he is 18, we should say absolutely not!!!

[bigospreys7]

if your only 18, then you really dont need to cycle, and even if you were old enough to i would never recomend an oral only cycle! your balls will shrivil like fuck and the gain you get wont be worth it. you should just concentrate on eating properly, and get a good training regime, because at your age your test should be through the roof! be smart dont waste it! you will be able to make amazing gains without AAS.

[Whysoserious]

your 18 take nothing good post red machine

[Biggin]

I agree, no gear for Luca right now.

[Trevdog]

Concur, no gear. I can virtually guarantee that the problem is an inadequate diet, although there is a good chance that the training isn't up to snuff either.

[casanovaaa]

You don't want to close you growth plates at 18. You still have 6-8 years of growing.

[ythrashin]

Originally Posted by casanovaaa

You don't want to close you growth plates at 18. You still have 6-8 years of growing.

Negitive ghost rider... Some close at 16+ and all are usually closed by 18-21 years old.It depends on the individual...
Where did you get your info??