Deca/Test cycle questions

[Hardestadt]

Hi guys, Im 22 years old and Ive been working out solid for almost 4 years now and Id like to do a test/deca cycle to add some 15-20 pounds of mass. Im 6'0 and weight 190 pounds(I was only 155 when I started training), 12% body fat, very lean build. I was thinking of doing the following cycle:

Nandrolone Decanoate - 400 mg per week for 4 weeks

Durateston 250 mg(30mg test prop, 60mg test fenilprop , 60mg test iso and 100mg test capro)- 2 times a week for 4 weeks.


1-) What sort of gains can I expect from this cycle?

2-) For PCT, do you think nolva and clomid are enough or should I throw some clen and/or hcg as well?

[stang50]

4 weeks is not a cycle or do you mean 4 weeks for each?

[TheMilkMan]

Originally Posted by Hardestadt

Hi guys, Im 22 years old and Ive been working out solid for almost 4 years now and Id like to do a test/deca cycle to add some 15-20 pounds of mass. Im 6'0 and weight 190 pounds(I was only 155 when I started training), 12% body fat, very lean build. I was thinking of doing the following cycle:

Nandrolone Decanoate - 400 mg per week for 4 weeks

Durateston 250 mg(30mg test prop, 60mg test fenilprop , 60mg test iso and 100mg test capro)- 2 times a week for 4 weeks.


1-) What sort of gains can I expect from this cycle?

2-) For PCT, do you think nolva and clomid are enough or should I throw some clen and/or hcg as well?

Horrible cycle choice!!!!!

Not long enough to get the full effects of almost ALL of the hormone. More than one compound in a first cycle.

If you have Sust already, get more and run that for 8 weeks minimum.

My recommendation:
Some type of Test 500mg/wk for 10 weeks
Nolva or Clomid for PCT... starting 2 weeks after last Test E/C injection, 3 weeks after last Sust injection, 4 days after last Prop injection(I wouldn't recommend using Prop)

[Hardestadt]

Really, i shouldnt run more than 1 compound in my 1st cycle? But all the info I found on the web suggests that the best bulking cycle for a begginer is a deca/test one. Also, I read that a test only cycle is great for strenght but not for increasing mass and that nandrolone has very little side effects. Can anyone reccomend me a good test/deca cycle? maybe run test with deca on the first 4 weeks and than add an extra 2 weeks of deca only?

PS: btw I buy that Durateston compound that I mentioned in its final form, I cant separate its contents.

[DM@C]

See how your body reacts to one compound before stacking if this is your first cycle.

[Hardestadt]

This isnt my first cycle, its my second. 4 months ago I did an oxandrolone only cycle at 40mg per day for 8 weeks. I didnt have a single side effect and managed to keep 80% of my gains despite doing no PCT. But yea, I guess this would be my first cycle proper. I'd like to put at least a little bit of deca on my cycle as from what i read that is whats going to make me grow

[DM@C]

Eating and training is going to make you grow.

Test among other anabolics merely help you with protein synthesis, increase strength, and recover faster.

You'll be amazaed with how much you could gain with Test only.. keep in mind that your diet and training are going to be key. Good luck and keep us posted.

[DM@C]

most often deca is used for joints- if you work heavy deca is good for this in recovery

[Hardestadt]

With the advice ppl gave me here i thought of this cycle:

Week 1 to 4 - 400 mg deca, 500mg test pw
Week 5 to 8 - 500mg test pw, 40mg ox pd

This way I use Deca as a kickstart to my cycle and then I switch it to ox to help me keep my gains. If you guys think its more prudent, I might lower the deca dosage to only 200 pw. Also, a friend told me that test only injections hurt a bunch and Im already terrified of needles.

[stang50]

you should just spread it out to 12 wks 8 is nothing

[zephyrdaz]

Originally Posted by MilkDaScow

Horrible cycle choice!!!!!

Not long enough to get the full effects of almost ALL of the hormone. More than one compound in a first cycle.

If you have Sust already, get more and run that for 8 weeks minimum.

My recommendation:
Some type of Test 500mg/wk for 10 weeks
Nolva or Clomid for PCT... starting 2 weeks after last Test E/C injection, 3 weeks after last Sust injection, 4 days after last Prop injection(I wouldn't recommend using Prop)

You need to listen to what Milk has told you and not wait to hear what you want to hear.

And your first cycle was an oral only cycle? This is your fist real cycle, stick to just Test.

If you get gyno, are you going to know what caused it? was it the Test? was it the Deca? do you know how to treat it?

[zephyrdaz]

Originally Posted by Hardestadt

With the advice ppl gave me here i thought of this cycle:

Week 1 to 4 - 400 mg deca, 500mg test pw
Week 5 to 8 - 500mg test pw, 40mg ox pd

This way I use Deca as a kickstart to my cycle and then I switch it to ox to help me keep my gains. If you guys think its more prudent, I might lower the deca dosage to only 200 pw. Also, a friend told me that test only injections hurt a bunch and Im already terrified of needles.

Now you want to go adding even more compunds? It's more prudent to drop the Deca totally !!!!!

Test prop or Test suspension can hurt, Test E or Test C won't unless you fuck up the jab

[g1234]

Originally Posted by Hardestadt

With the advice ppl gave me here i thought of this cycle:

Week 1 to 4 - 400 mg deca, 500mg test pw
Week 5 to 8 - 500mg test pw, 40mg ox pd

This way I use Deca as a kickstart to my cycle and then I switch it to ox to help me keep my gains. If you guys think its more prudent, I might lower the deca dosage to only 200 pw. Also, a friend told me that test only injections hurt a bunch and Im already terrified of needles.

Thats an horrible cycle seriously.. deca as a kickstart? anavar to keep gains?

Week 1 to 8: 500mg Test E

Simple and most effective cycle, dont worry about injection pain thats totally not true. You dont know what your friend was injecting, how he made it, what brand he used.. but i've never heard that Test was painful to inject!!

[DM@C]

Originally Posted by g1234

Thats an horrible cycle seriously.. deca as a kickstart? anavar to keep gains?

Week 1 to 8: 500mg Test E

Simple and most effective cycle, dont worry about injection pain thats totally not true. You dont know what your friend was injecting, how he made it, what brand he used.. but i've never heard that Test was painful to inject!!

Good advice.

[Hardestadt]

Ok, you guys won, Im gonna run a test only cycle and if all goes well I will run a test/deca one in 6 months. But as I said before, I can only get test on the form of a compound called “Durateston” 250 mg(30mg test prop, 60mg test fenilprop , 60mg test iso and 100mg test capro).

So, should I run this at 500 mg per week for 8 weeks? Also, please give me a good pct for this cycle.