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    my next cycle (cutting)
    hey guys

    here is my next cycle your thoughts and comments would be appreciated

    1-8 tren a 100mg EOD
    1-8 masteron 100mg EOD
    1-8 test prop 50mg EOD

    i will be running HCG 500 IU 2 weeks before the end of the cycle for 4 weeks
    i will be running nolva for 21 days 30/40/40 mg i was also thinking on combining some GHRP-6 during my post cycle therapy (pct) to try and keep gains

    i will run a clen and t3 cycle during the AAS cycle as well
    for 6 weeks
    Day 1 Clen 60mcg / T3 50mcg
    Day 2 Clen 60mcg / T3 50mcg
    Day 3 Clen 80mcg / T3 75mcg
    Day 4 Clen 100mcg / T3 75mcg
    Day 5 Clen 100mcg / T3 75mcg
    Day 6 Clen 120mcg / T3 100mcg
    Day 7 Clen 120mcg / T3 100mcg
    Day 8 Clen off / T3 125mcg
    Day 9 Clen off / T3 125mcg
    Day10 Clen off / T3 125mcg
    Day11 Clen off / T3 125mcg
    Day12 Clen off / T3 125mcg
    Day13 Clen off / T3 125mcg
    Day14 Clen off / T3 125mcg
    Day15 Clen 120mcg / T3 125mcg
    Day16 Clen 120mcg / T3 125mcg
    Day17 Clen 120mcg / T3 125mcg
    Day18 Clen 120mcg / T3 125mcg
    Day19 Clen 120mcg / T3 125mcg
    Day20 Clen 120mcg / T3 125mcg
    Day21 Clen 120mcg / T3 125mcg
    Day22 Clen off / T3 125mcg
    Day23 Clen off / T3 125mcg
    Day24 Clen off / T3 125mcg
    Day25 Clen off / T3 125mcg
    Day26 Clen off / T3 125mcg
    Day27 Clen off / T3 125mcg
    Day28 Clen off / T3 100mcg
    Day29 Clen 120mcg / T3 100mcg
    Day30 Clen 120mcg / T3 100mcg
    Day31 Clen 120mcg / T3 75mcg
    Day32 Clen 120mcg / T3 75mcg
    Day33 Clen 120mcg / T3 75mcg
    Day34 Clen 120mcg / T3 50mcg
    Day35 Clen 120mcg / T3 50mcg
    Day36 Clen off / T3 50mcg
    Day37 Clen off / T3 50mcg
    Day38 Clen off / T3 25mcg
    Day39 Clen off / T3 25mcg
    Day40 Clen off / T3 25mcg
    Day41 Clen off / T3 25mcg
    Day42 Clen off / T3 25mcg

    i know tapering is not a must but being this will be my 1st t3 cycle i rather be safe then sorry
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    thats an odd way of running clen, most people i know, including myself, pyramid up and run it a total of two weeks, then off for two, then pyramid back up for two, and off for two, etc. ive never seen it the way you have mentioned. any reason behind this? everything else looks good though dude!

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    I'd start the t3 dose at 25mcg.
    Tren should be injected ED.
    Clen is best used 2weeks on 2 weeks off.
    You can stop HCG a few days before your last injection.

    Are you going to run a total of 500iu's/wk?? Split into 2 250iu doses??
    Have you ran Tren and/or Mast before??
    Why such a low dose of Test P??
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    Quote Originally Posted by MilkDaScow View Post
    I'd start the t3 dose at 25mcg.
    Tren should be injected ED.
    Clen is best used 2weeks on 2 weeks off.
    You can stop HCG a few days before your last injection.

    Are you going to run a total of 500iu's/wk?? Split into 2 250iu doses??
    Have you ran Tren and/or Mast before??
    Why such a low dose of Test P??
    about clen yeah i know 2w on 2w off is best for clen i thats what im gonna do

    regarding HCG yeah thats what i had in mind two doses of 250iu a week for a total fo 500iu i week do you have a better suggestion?

    why tren a should be injected ED? it has a half life of 2-3 days so what is the purpose of ED?

    the test dose is just a maintence dose as tren will shut me down hard i want things to keep running normally do think a higher does will be recomanded?

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    I hate the tren sides , I've done 8 cycles (approx.) in my life and will never run that stuff again. Is this your second cycle bro?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozzy27 View Post
    I hate the tren sides , I've done 8 cycles (approx.) in my life and will never run that stuff again. Is this your second cycle bro?
    yeah dude it is what kind of sides did you have with tren?

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    Cycle history ?

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    you should research tren first they say you shouldn't use it until after a couple cycles, I'm scared to try it LOL, I hear you can get night sweats, insomnia but I've never tried it so...

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    yeah ive researched tren i know it shuts you down hard i know it causes "tren cough"
    i know ut can cause night sweats i might lower the dose of the tren to around 75mgED
    and up the test dose to 100mg EOD to see how i react to tren i know test dose not have an impact on me regarding sides im not gyno prone and the only thing i got from my last cycle is some acne (tren can make that worse) thats why i have accutane on hand
    i know tren can be hard but it also has a big promise and i want to see how i react to that stuff

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    Quote Originally Posted by adimenia View Post
    yeah ive researched tren i know it shuts you down hard i know it causes "tren cough"
    i know ut can cause night sweats i might lower the dose of the tren to around 75mgED
    and up the test dose to 100mg EOD to see how i react to tren i know test dose not have an impact on me regarding sides im not gyno prone and the only thing i got from my last cycle is some acne (tren can make that worse) thats why i have accutane on hand
    i know tren can be hard but it also has a big promise and i want to see how i react to that stuff
    And what was your last cycle? this stuff can fuck you up and you need to know what your doing. Acne could be the least of your problems

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    Tren has an ACTIVE LIFE of 2 days, therefore its half like is like a day. The reason you want to inject it ED is to keep blood hormone levels as stable as possible to minimize side effects.

    I ran 100mg Test P ED and 50mg Tren A ED and saw pronounced effects both positive and negative. I would recommend starting as low as possible (~30mg ED) and see how you react.

    I'd keep the Test at least as high as the Tren dosage because it is a 19-nor and could potentially give you a limp noodle.

    Have you ran Masteron before???

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    to lot of compounds in this cycle IMO.

    tren ace is 1 to two days.

    difficult to have balanced point of view, as far as is not made for a human metabolism.

    but saying 2 days maximum is no mistake possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MilkDaScow View Post
    Tren has an ACTIVE LIFE of 2 days, therefore its half like is like a day. The reason you want to inject it ED is to keep blood hormone levels as stable as possible to minimize side effects.

    I ran 100mg Test P ED and 50mg Tren A ED and saw pronounced effects both positive and negative. I would recommend starting as low as possible (~30mg ED) and see how you react.

    I'd keep the Test at least as high as the Tren dosage because it is a 19-nor and could potentially give you a limp noodle.

    Have you ran Masteron before???
    From what I remember, he has only ever run 1 cycle of Anavar (var), not even a simple Test cycle.

    I reiterate, Tren is not for novice users and it is not to be treated lightly.
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    zephyrdaz, welcome back old git.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zephyrdaz View Post
    From what I remember, he has only ever run 1 cycle of Anavar (var), not even a simple Test cycle.
    WHAT!!!!

    From Var to Test/Tren/Mast... This is why people fuck themselves up.

    Adimenia... do us a favor and run a simply Test cycle and maybe throw in some Var at the end.

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    your masteron is enantathe ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FerrariF50 View Post
    zephyrdaz, welcome back old git.
    Didn't know I'd left ????? must be old age!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by zephyrdaz View Post
    Didn't know I'd left ????? must be old age!!!
    you had disappeared for a while? must be my old age =P

    thought maybe you got lost in the country chasing all the animals

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    Quote Originally Posted by FerrariF50 View Post
    you had disappeared for a while? must be my old age =P

    thought maybe you got lost in the country chasing all the animals
    Lol, no, just kept a low profile over the holidays.

    I chase the animals on the weekends, to slow to catch the bastards though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MilkDaScow View Post
    WHAT!!!!

    From Var to Test/Tren/Mast... This is why people fuck themselves up.

    Adimenia... do us a favor and run a simply Test cycle and maybe throw in some Var at the end.
    Adimenia, what are your stats and this is only your second cycle right? what was your first cycle?

    We're trying to help you here but we can't do it without honest answers

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    Quote Originally Posted by zephyrdaz View Post
    Adimenia, what are your stats and this is only your second cycle right? what was your first cycle?

    We're trying to help you here but we can't do it without honest answers

    ok here are my stats:

    age 30
    im 190lbs
    BF: 12.3%
    lifting for 3 years heavy
    i started cutting a month ago and i consume 2300 calories a day

    my last cycle was 500mg test E for 14 weeks which was great

    i want to start a cutting cycle in about 3 months and from what i read tren and mast can do wonders on your body composition
    i know tren can have some hard sides but hey you got to try it sometimes i want to do this as safe as possible and id like to know how i react to tren from my last cycle i know i react very well to test i didnt get any sides except some mild acne im willing to hear any suggestions you guys have im not one of those guys who are locked on what they want to do i want to do what is good for me the efficient way and as safe as possible if you guys have better suggestions for a cutting cycle im all ears

    regarding tren yeah i know it can be harsh but im very intersting in what this stuff can do but if the common opinion is to aviod tren in the 1st couple of cycles i understad but i would love to hear the reasons for that

    thank you guys for the help it is much appriciated

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    If you feel like trying tren, then why not go for something simpler like

    Test E / Tren E for 8-10 weeks

    Whats your reason for going short esters? and for adding masteron with tren?

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    Quote Originally Posted by adimenia View Post

    regarding tren yeah i know it can be harsh but im very intersting in what this stuff can do but if the common opinion is to aviod tren in the 1st couple of cycles i understad but i would love to hear the reasons for that
    the thing is this about Tren... It's an awesome drug for positive benefits, but has some serious negative side effects. With such a minimal cycle experience you can get incredible gains with less harsh drugs and save the Tren for down the road when you can't gain on other compounds...

    If you run Test/Tren your second cycle, you're going to be disappointed with your 3rd, 4th, and 5th cycles unless you run HUGE amounts of the compounds. For example, a second cycle with Test/EQ will be fun and yield great results. A 3rd cycle of Test/EQ, after running Test/Tren your second cycle will be disappointing. Not to mention it helps to know a little bit more about yourself when "on" before you try out a compound like Tren because of how much can go wrong.

    If you are looking to run a cut cycle for 8 weeks, I would recommend:

    100-150mg Test P EOD
    100mg Mast EOD

    or

    100-150mg Test P EOD
    50mg Anavar/Winstrol ED (for the last 5 weeks)

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    Quote Originally Posted by g1234 View Post
    If you feel like trying tren, then why not go for something simpler like

    Test E / Tren E for 8-10 weeks

    Whats your reason for going short esters? and for adding masteron with tren?
    well the reasons for the short esters is to kick into the cycle faster and to get the most out of it and if i do decicde to run tren i would like to know how i react to it ASAP if i go for a long ester it takes time of it to kick in and if something goes wrong and i decide to drop it it will take longer for it to clear out of the system

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    Quote Originally Posted by MilkDaScow View Post
    the thing is this about Tren... It's an awesome drug for positive benefits, but has some serious negative side effects. With such a minimal cycle experience you can get incredible gains with less harsh drugs and save the Tren for down the road when you can't gain on other compounds...

    If you run Test/Tren your second cycle, you're going to be disappointed with your 3rd, 4th, and 5th cycles unless you run HUGE amounts of the compounds. For example, a second cycle with Test/EQ will be fun and yield great results. A 3rd cycle of Test/EQ, after running Test/Tren your second cycle will be disappointing. Not to mention it helps to know a little bit more about yourself when "on" before you try out a compound like Tren because of how much can go wrong.

    If you are looking to run a cut cycle for 8 weeks, I would recommend:

    100-150mg Test P EOD
    100mg Mast EOD

    or

    100-150mg Test P EOD
    50mg Anavar/Winstrol ED (for the last 5 weeks)

    yeah i get what your saying and it does makes sense but regarding EQ from i know it incrises your hunger feeling and it not something i would like to deal with while cutting i dont want to mess up my diet because of it you know what i mean but your suggestion running test P/mast or test p / anavar is intersting ill do my research on it

    thanks dude

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