[Powerstroke32]

Friend gave me some nolvadex XT from GNC the OTC version. I was planning on taking it with my current cycle (enan @ 400mg week) as an anti-estrogen. was going to take it at about week 5 or 6 and into PCT.. PCT i have clomid btw.

Was wondering what you guy's opinion is on that and how should I take/use it if you think differently..

thanks

[Powerstroke32]

anyone??

[gator_mclusky]

GARBAGE!!!!!!

Throw it in the ditch.

Get the real deal.......

gator

[Powerstroke32]

Originally Posted by gator_mclusky

GARBAGE!!!!!!

Throw it in the ditch.

Get the real deal.......

gator

yeah well i got it for free.. might as well use it. anyone have some ideas/thoughts on how I should take this OTC?

[MLJ5150]

If you have clomid I would just use that and not bother with the otc. I understand it's free but like Gator said it's pretty much garbage. IMO if ya using real gear, use real pct. Don't skimp.

[g1234]

i would not use it even if for free, i hate these brands copying famous names to sell their shit to clueless people.

[GymLift]

Why put a chemical in your body that might cause more harm than good? It isn't nolvadex; simple as that. Trash it.

[Powerstroke32]

yeah I hear ya. I wasn't going to take it as a PCT.. lol I was thinking about taking it MID cycle and into my clomid PCT. I read it's a good anti estrogen.

[wukillabee]

Weak otc ai, nothing more. Since u got it free i dont see how it could harm u at all or ur cycle in using it. As long as u have a real pct (which imo clomid is not enough) then sure, use it for mid or tail end of ur cycle leading up to pct, couldnt hurt. Id imagine it would be like taking 10mg of proviron if u take 4 caps ed of the nevedex xt stuff. Just my opinion since ive used ai's before and have used this otc product before. But of course, otc pct goes with otc products and real aas go with real pct. Again, i dont see it hurting at all to add it mid or tail end of cycle for the hell of it since u got it. If i were u id just sell it to some dummy at the gym and use that cash for the real stuff, haha!

[Powerstroke32]

Originally Posted by wukillabee

Weak otc ai, nothing more. Since u got it free i dont see how it could harm u at all or ur cycle in using it. As long as u have a real pct (which imo clomid is not enough) then sure, use it for mid or tail end of ur cycle leading up to pct, couldnt hurt. Id imagine it would be like taking 10mg of proviron if u take 4 caps ed of the nevedex xt stuff. Just my opinion since ive used ai's before and have used this otc product before. But of course, otc pct goes with otc products and real aas go with real pct. Again, i dont see it hurting at all to add it mid or tail end of cycle for the hell of it since u got it. If i were u id just sell it to some dummy at the gym and use that cash for the real stuff, haha!

lmao, thats what I had wanted to do with it .. I figured it can't hurt so what the hell.. IYO you say clomid is not enough?.. I'm currently taking enanthate @ 400mg weekly and was going to finish it up with clomid for my pct.. Let me know what you suggest..

[wukillabee]

Originally Posted by Powerstroke32

lmao, thats what I had wanted to do with it .. I figured it can't hurt so what the hell.. IYO you say clomid is not enough?.. I'm currently taking enanthate @ 400mg weekly and was going to finish it up with clomid for my pct.. Let me know what you suggest..

Im no pro but im a firm believer of one ai and one serm for pct for a basic cycle such as yours. Sure 400mg isnt a whole lot and might get away with just clomid by why risk it? Id say do like this:
weeks 1-2 aromasin 25mg ed
weeks 1 clomid 100mg ed
weeks 2-4 clomid 50mg ed
I like doin ai's just for the first few weeks in case of any rebound effect the serm can handle it. Again, for ur specific cycle id do this pct protocol if i were u. CLomid is great for upping ur natty test lvls but ive read nolva works better with aromasin since they work together some how. Either way, ur good with comid if not nolva. If u choose nolva id say 20mg weeks 1-4. Theres been plenty of medical research to prove more than 20mg of nolva doesnt do anymore for u except more stress on ur liver. DOnt know why people always think more is better?

[Powerstroke32]

Originally Posted by wukillabee

Im no pro but im a firm believer of one ai and one serm for pct for a basic cycle such as yours. Sure 400mg isnt a whole lot and might get away with just clomid by why risk it? Id say do like this:
weeks 1-2 aromasin 25mg ed
weeks 1 clomid 100mg ed
weeks 2-4 clomid 50mg ed
I like doin ai's just for the first few weeks in case of any rebound effect the serm can handle it. Again, for ur specific cycle id do this pct protocol if i were u. CLomid is great for upping ur natty test lvls but ive read nolva works better with aromasin since they work together some how. Either way, ur good with comid if not nolva. If u choose nolva id say 20mg weeks 1-4. Theres been plenty of medical research to prove more than 20mg of nolva doesnt do anymore for u except more stress on ur liver. DOnt know why people always think more is better?

yeah, I like Clomid.. never done me wrong. not trying to fix what isn't broken lol. I'm open to your suggest but I have already stocked Clomid and a very knowledgeable/reputable member had suggested the following and I would be fine:

"start 10 days after last inject.
first day 300mg clomid.
10 day 100 mg
10 50 mg."

what do you think of that?

[GymLift]

Clomid is a strong SERM and certainly sufficient for PCT.

Adding an AI during PCT doesn't make much sense to me. The point of PCT is to get your body back to normal. There is a reason we use SERM class drugs rather than AI class drugs for PCT. However, having a small dose of a not-too-strong AI at only the beginning of PCT isn't a big deal as was recommended. I just don't think it is necessary is all.

Anyone know what is actually in this "Nolvadex XT" ?

[Powerstroke32]

Originally Posted by GymLift

Clomid is a strong SERM and certainly sufficient for PCT.

Adding an AI during PCT doesn't make much sense to me. The point of PCT is to get your body back to normal. There is a reason we use SERM class drugs rather than AI class drugs for PCT. However, having a small dose of a not-too-strong AI at only the beginning of PCT isn't a big deal as was recommended. I just don't think it is necessary is all.

Anyone know what is actually in this "Nolvadex XT" ?

Novedex XT Proprietary Blend 60mg
6, 17-keto-etiocholeve-3-ol tetrahydropyranol
3, 17-keto-etiochol-triene
3’,5,7-trihydroxy-4’-methoxyflavone maltodextrin, magnesium stearate, and silica

[KeepinMyGains]

Yep those OTC products are just hype. If people are going to spend hard earned money on gear then you should not half ass the PCT

[wukillabee]

Originally Posted by Powerstroke32

yeah, I like Clomid.. never done me wrong. not trying to fix what isn't broken lol. I'm open to your suggest but I have already stocked Clomid and a very knowledgeable/reputable member had suggested the following and I would be fine:

"start 10 days after last inject.
first day 300mg clomid.
10 day 100 mg
10 50 mg."

what do you think of that?

Every board is different and evey mod on every board is different. A board ive been on for yrs preaches pct like this for a basic cycle:
weeks 1-4 aromasin 25mg ed
weeks 1-4 clomid 50mg ed
weeks 1-4 nolva 20mg ed
Ive used arimidex on cycle for gyno symptoms and saw first hand just how strong these ai's are and i was only taking .5mg ed for 7 days!
Glad gymlift somewhat agrees. My personal experience since i am gyno prone is that using an ai first couple weeks helps me and of course a serm for 4 weeks no matter what for pct. You could even do aromasin 12.5mg ed for first 2 weeks of pct if u want but thats just me. Ur clomid protocol looks fine but 300mg seems like a lot to me and might get some sides like blurred vision and what not. I take my pct gear just before bed so when its kicking in im already passed out and not feeling any sides.
If ur not gyno prone then ur pct should be fine i guess. Id through in 25mg proviron ed throughout cycle or at least the tail end to help ease u into pct a little smoother. Proviron is pretty cheap pharm grade or ugl (since not big difference go with schering everytime or pharmgrade similar!) and does wonders on cycle. Enhances all compounds ur taking, ur htpa, works as a slight ai, not liver toxic, list goes on. Worth the small investment imo for any cycle!

[wukillabee]

Originally Posted by GymLift

Clomid is a strong SERM and certainly sufficient for PCT.

Adding an AI during PCT doesn't make much sense to me. The point of PCT is to get your body back to normal. There is a reason we use SERM class drugs rather than AI class drugs for PCT. However, having a small dose of a not-too-strong AI at only the beginning of PCT isn't a big deal as was recommended. I just don't think it is necessary is all.

Anyone know what is actually in this "Nolvadex XT" ?

Its comparable to formestane if your fimilar with that weak otc ai. Just really a blend of natty test boosting crap and a super weak ai, nothing more. Since hes got it for free i dont see any harm using it tail end leading up to pct or even first few weeks of pct, would to more good then harm for sure if it did anything. Ive used it before for a prohormone cycle and recovered great with it but thats not comparable to aas and i wasnt using clomid.
Again, id just sell it though and use the money on real gear, haha!