Cycle Length Suggestions - Opinions Please

[BasConnery]

Here's the cycle that's going to happen:
800mg test per week - in the form of test prop. why prop you ask...because I'm going to do the tren daily anyway so might as well use prop instead of a long ester.
75mg Tren Ace daily

Ok, I will have enough product to do up to 16 weeks. IF it were you...would you run it for 12 or 16? and why?

Opinions appreciated.

some additional information... I'm 39, 6' tall, 225lbs, 12%bf, diet good, cholesterol and lipids good. and yes, I have PCT taken care of if not overkill as far as quantities of product goes.

[Ozzy27]

I would go with 12 wks at that dose. I usually go longer when I run a lower dose like 500mg Test ew. I get good results at 500mg ew and I like being on so .....thats JMO

[FuckOprah]

im the kind of guy that uses short esters for SHORT cycles and long esters for long cycles, since its prop and tren id say go for 12.

[Kane_Red_Machine]

And also among 1 post a week since you are registered.

So it depend how you have run these stuffs before.

you plan 12 or 16 weeks.

i would prefer 2 times 8 weeks... but

But like that:

1-8 : prop 100 EOD (100mg) tren ED (75 mg) and yes you can mix it.

8-11 : nothing. just proviron 25mg everyday. low diet. in this way you androgen level will decrease and you BF fall by down very quickly. BTW, no need clomid, no noval... nothing helse...

and tehn you restart 12-20 test EOD ( 100 mg) tren ED (75 mg)

No need more hormone ( that don't show more gain )

and after that you can run you PCT, i don't thing you need SERM.

Essential. the break help the stabilisation of all sides. and the low calories during the break increase naturaly the level of FSH... ( don't ask how it happen please, i learn that with a doctor)

So that my point of view, a few point of view, about the cycle you told about.

But if you were more frequent in the forum it should be easyer to guve a real a just adise.

good cycle.

[FerrariF50]

interesting idea above on splitting the cycle.

but imo the short off time in between is just more time that you'll be shut down making recovery harder in the end. once restarting you'd have to pick up blood levels from zero too. plus you risk losing gains with a low cal diet and zero natural test levels during this off time.

if you're still gaining at week 12 and feel fine in regards to sides then go to 16. if not then come off.

[jonk430]

I would tend to agree with F50.

[g1234]

I know im gonna get harassed but i'm in favor of short cycles (even with long esters) and since you're asking for opinions what I would do is two cycles of 6 weeks.. short esters = short cycles, less sides, great gains two times

[Kane_Red_Machine]

Originally Posted by FerrariF50

interesting idea above on splitting the cycle.

but imo the short off time in between is just more time that you'll be shut down making recovery harder in the end. once restarting you'd have to pick up blood levels from zero too. plus you risk losing gains with a low cal diet and zero natural test levels during this off time.

if you're still gaining at week 12 and feel fine in regards to sides then go to 16. if not then come off.

Yes, it's good way to. but with 54 posts, its difficult to know realy how this guys cycle...
he have to hang here a little more.

[BasConnery]

sorry I don't post enough, I know...I try to read more than talk though...it tends to make me wiser...and the old saying goes...it's better to let people think you're an idiot rather than remove all doubt by actually talking. LOL

[Kane_Red_Machine]

Originally Posted by BasConnery

sorry I don't post enough, I know...I try to read more than talk though...it tends to make me wiser...and the old saying goes...it's better to let people think you're an idiot rather than remove all doubt by actually talking. LOL

this last think you let is from Pierre Desproge... a french philosopher and humorist.
are you from france?

[Kane_Red_Machine]

And Audiard, a lyrics writer from french movie to. but i don't who the first told these words LOL'z

[BasConnery]

No, not from France...but it seems a profound yet simple philosophy...one that I can embrace. I try to lurk here and learn. I've been doing that for a very long time...before I even signed up.

I've done 3 cycles before...all identical...pretty much.
I use the same product because I know 100% without a shadow of doubt that the products are genuine (test prop derived from cattle pellets and tren ace derived from cattle pellets). I also have a good source for clomid and letro which tren seems to aggravate the nips on me and letro seems to be the only thing that works. I know it's the tren because when first started...I used it alone (yes, I know...mistake). I've used the test prop derived from cattle pellets without any incident...so I'm guessing the estradiol is removed by the product that I use ...at least sufficiently.

I'd love to find a source for HCG and HGH. That has been the only TWO products I would really like to add to my cycles.

I truly do intend to make this my last cycle...although I realize those are "famous last words".
There's a local clinic here that does HCG for weight loss...doctor run...but it's a little too pricey for me. 60 bucks a pop.
I've seen some HGH "peptides" for sale from my clomid source but I don't know enough about that to even think about beginning to use that.

I'm not asking for a source...but would you guys know much about the HGH peptides? is that HGH or more or less the same thing? or at least used the same way as HGH. I have not been as lucky with the hcg location.

[Muay Thai]

Originally Posted by Kane_Red_Machine

this last think you let is from Pierre Desproge... a french philosopher and humorist.
are you from france?

“Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.” -Abraham Lincoln.

[Kane_Red_Machine]

Originally Posted by BasConnery

No, not from France...but it seems a profound yet simple philosophy...one that I can embrace. I try to lurk here and learn. I've been doing that for a very long time...before I even signed up.

I've done 3 cycles before...all identical...pretty much.
I use the same product because I know 100% without a shadow of doubt that the products are genuine (test prop derived from cattle pellets and tren ace derived from cattle pellets). I also have a good source for clomid and letro which tren seems to aggravate the nips on me and letro seems to be the only thing that works. I know it's the tren because when first started...I used it alone (yes, I know...mistake). I've used the test prop derived from cattle pellets without any incident...so I'm guessing the estradiol is removed by the product that I use ...at least sufficiently.

I'd love to find a source for HCG and HGH. That has been the only TWO products I would really like to add to my cycles.

I truly do intend to make this my last cycle...although I realize those are "famous last words".
There's a local clinic here that does HCG for weight loss...doctor run...but it's a little too pricey for me. 60 bucks a pop.
I've seen some HGH "peptides" for sale from my clomid source but I don't know enough about that to even think about beginning to use that.

I'm not asking for a source...but would you guys know much about the HGH peptides? is that HGH or more or less the same thing? or at least used the same way as HGH. I have not been as lucky with the hcg location.

until GS ( ask in P.M) return on scene, don't buy no hgh.
hcg for weight loss is simply insane.
using hcg in long period bring more risk of gyno than any cycle of steroids, for sure!!
i'm pretty sure to than some guys affraid about gyno, got more risk running hcg than testo or other hormona. ther's serious study on this point, in U.K.
HGH by G.S is a formula that contain 191amino-acid and it work like in a very similar-way than the real human-formula who got 192 amino-acid.
the diffrence with the G.S formula is the action on grow bone. and the duration after mixed. original formula couldn't be stable over 20 minuts.
for me, the best peptide is IGF-1 R3... very strong anabolic and push the body to majorate consumption of KCAL. as strong to decrease the BF...
AS well it increase the potent of other AAS...

[Kane_Red_Machine]

Originally Posted by Muay Thai

“Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.” -Abraham Lincoln.

Ha right. So A.L. was the real rooth of that think. Great!

[Ozzy27]

Originally Posted by Kane_Red_Machine

And also among 1 post a week since you are registered.

Was that directed at me? I was posting alot when I joined and I lost my computer in a fire , not to mention other personal issues. SC was kind enuff to get my old screen name back for me resently so........why am I explaining this to you It's all good Peace Oz

[Ozzy27]

Never mind. I just reread the guys post after mine. I'm working too much!