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Old 09-19-2008, 02:21 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default ??s about orals-havok,pct, and my liver

so Im Coming up at the end of a month long cycle, of HAVOK by RPN. pretty good stuff. but i have several questions

1. being thats its an oral..would taking it for an extra month(two month total) be bad? will that fry my liver? i have a extra bottle- i would love to see more over next month, but should probably wait till next january, but im just curious... to the dangers of giving my liver time to recover and detoxify..

2. milk thistle is a natural liver detoxifier. If I take milk thistle while taking the havok..will it be healthier for me cause its cleaning the toxins out?... or will it simnply just inhibit and suppress my gains by not letting propper time for absorbtion and converstion of the chemicals?

3. Being that havok is not anywhere near as powerfull as Test, do I really need a PCT of high quality shit, like nolva? or can I get away(safely) with just a pct of tribulous, creatine, and zma?

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Yeah bro, you do need a PCT for havoc, just like any other hormone. Since your cycle was only a month long, so you can recover quickly from this.

You want to cycle fast acting steroids like havoc in short cycles and take advantage of the quick gains, quick clearance, and quick recovery – there is no reason to do an 8 week cycle with fast acting oral hormones.

I would just take the milk thistle after the Havoc during PCT. Sustain Alpha would have you covered for PCT. You can read quite a few logs of guys using this for their PCT with a google search for Sustain Alpha.

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alright thanks.. i just read up on that sustain alpha. im dumb in the fact that i thought could get away with out doing a good pct(someone told me havok didnt need a full pct so i just took triboulous)...i stopped havok about a month ago.. and have been mentally feeling real sluggish, little depresed, and not able to keep a hard-on for as long as normal. a month after pct SHOULD have started..is it to late to use this stuff to my benefit?
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alright thanks.. i just read up on that sustain alpha. im dumb in the fact that i thought could get away with out doing a good pct(someone told me havok didnt need a full pct so i just took triboulous)...i stopped havok about a month ago.. and have been mentally feeling real sluggish, little depresed, and not able to keep a hard-on for as long as normal. a month after pct SHOULD have started..is it to late to use this stuff to my benefit?
Its going to provide the same benefits whether you are in PCT or not.

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