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    Default why do testicles shrink on a cycle
    Some users balls shrink and some dont, even on deca and tren. Why do they shrink in some users and not others.

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    Mine never shrink! Yay.

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    Dont they become atrophied bc of the excessive amount of testosterone in your system?

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    They become atrophied cause they are literally shut down as a result of no longer being used to produce testosterone. they just become dormant.

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    So if you cum a lot, would that help to stop the shrinking since they are bein used for production?

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    Hmmm, dont know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by estray
    They become atrophied cause they are literally shut down as a result of no longer being used to produce testosterone. they just become dormant.
    Well that doesnt explain why mine dont shrink. Or other half users balls dont shrink. Unless you're saying our bodies still produce testosterone while I'm on a 1g of Tren.

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    Easy, everyone is different. Some people go bald on 300mg/wk of test, others stack test, tren dbol and drol and see no loss.

    I notice minimal testicular atrophy when cycling. A question I have is that if you don't have significant atrophy, should you still run Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) (considering the risks)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by outlawtas2
    A question I have is that if you don't have significant atrophy, should you still run Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) (considering the risks)?
    Yes, you should still run hCG. Lack of testicular atrophy does not indicate lack of suppression.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Balls
    So if you cum a lot, would that help to stop the shrinking since they are bein used for production?
    no

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    I will run Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 500IU 3 times ew when using tren or any kind of deca. It will help alot with the atrophy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mranak
    Yes, you should still run hCG. Lack of testicular atrophy does not indicate lack of suppression.
    Someone's gotta know why balls shrink. I think there is something else responsible for the shrinkage. Mranak, care to do some research?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pineapple
    Someone's gotta know why balls shrink. I think there is something else responsible for the shrinkage. Mranak, care to do some research?
    The sertoli cells shrink. The sertoli cells need at least two things to stimulate them: FSH and testosterone.

    Exogenous testosterone never makes it to them, but injecting hCG stimulates the leydig cells to produce testosterone which right there next to the sertoli cells.

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    Quote Originally Posted by outlawtas2
    Easy, everyone is different. Some people go bald on 300mg/wk of test, others stack test, tren dbol and drol and see no loss.

    I notice minimal testicular atrophy when cycling. A question I have is that if you don't have significant atrophy, should you still run Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) (considering the risks)?
    Outlaw...what do you mean by considering the risks ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mranak
    The sertoli cells shrink. The sertoli cells need at least two things to stimulate them: FSH and testosterone.

    Exogenous testosterone never makes it to them, but injecting hCG stimulates the leydig cells to produce testosterone which right there next to the sertoli cells.
    THat doesnt explain why half the steroid users dont experience shrinkage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pineapple
    THat doesnt explain why half the steroid users dont experience shrinkage.
    Even when you are using nandrolone or whatever, your pituitary is still sending out just a very little bit of LH and probably a little more FSH. For some guys, this is just barely enough to prevent atrophy.

    Also, the atrophy isn't immediate (how long it takes to occur can vary). For many guys that do 8-12 week cycles, their hitting post cycle therapy (pct) right about the time their atrophy would have started to occur.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mranak
    The sertoli cells shrink. The sertoli cells need at least two things to stimulate them: FSH and testosterone.

    Exogenous testosterone never makes it to them, but injecting hCG stimulates the leydig cells to produce testosterone which right there next to the sertoli cells.
    Good info!!!

    I never had a problem until my last cycle. Higher dosages and my cycle was pretty damn long, the atrophy finally shank my balls. My first experience with atrophy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mranak
    Even when you are using nandrolone or whatever, your pituitary is still sending out just a very little bit of LH and probably a little more FSH. For some guys, this is just barely enough to prevent atrophy.

    Also, the atrophy isn't immediate (how long it takes to occur can vary). For many guys that do 8-12 week cycles, their hitting post cycle therapy (pct) right about the time their atrophy would have started to occur.
    So you're saying I'm not completely shut down? I'd like to know if the guys who are on Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) if their balls shrink or not. I've used deca, tren, etc for long cycles and never had ball shrinkage.
    So what does that mean, that my body still producing a bit or it's own test naturally? I know the body's production shuts down, but does it shut down to a complete zero? or stay in the very low numbers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pineapple
    So you're saying I'm not completely shut down?
    I've never liked the term 'shut-down' because with the HPTA, few are 100% 'shut down'. 'Suppression' is a much better word here.

    I guess I'll assume that you don't use hCG on-cycle.
    Quote Originally Posted by pineapple
    I'd like to know if the guys who are on Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) if their balls shrink or not.
    They typically do. But it often doesn't happen for months.

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    I've used deca, tren, etc for long cycles and never had ball shrinkage.
    So what does that mean, that my body still producing a bit or it's own test naturally? I know the body's production shuts down, but does it shut down to a complete zero? or stay in the very low numbers?
    Yes, you were probably still producing a very small amount of test. Quite small. And your body was probably still sending enough FSH. But no, I can't say for certain.

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    No I dont use HCG, you're right. I guess suppression would be the key and maybe the body still produces just a tiny bit of test; maybe for sperm production or something. Any studies on suppression that you can think of? I've been on for a while and my balls never shrink.

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    When Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) are put into a male body, the body's natural negative feedback loops cause the body to shut down its own production of testosterone via shutdown of the HPTA (hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis). High levels of AASs that mimic the body's natural testosterone trigger the hypothalamus to shut down its production of gonadotropin-releasing hormone (GnRH) from the hypothalamus. Without GnRH the pituitary gland stops releasing luteinizing hormone (LH). LH normally travels from the pituitary via the blood stream to the testes where it triggers the production and release of testosterone. Without LH, the testes shut down their production of testosterone, causing testicular atrophy ("shrinking testicles").

    In males, hCG mimics LH and helps restore / maintain testosterone production in the testes. As such, hCG is commonly used during and after steroid cycles to maintain and restore testicular size as well as endogenous testosterone production. However, if hCG is used for too long and in too high a dose, the resulting rise in natural testosterone will eventually inhibit its own production via negative feedback on the hypothalamus and pituitary.

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    Nice copy and paste from Wikipedia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mranak
    Nice copy and paste from Wikipedia.
    Just my little part in research for 'ology...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Balls
    When Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) are put into a male body, the body's natural negative feedback loops cause the body to shut down its own production of testosterone via shutdown of the HPTA (hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis). High levels of AASs that mimic the body's natural testosterone trigger the hypothalamus to shut down its production of gonadotropin-releasing hormone (GnRH) from the hypothalamus. Without GnRH the pituitary gland stops releasing luteinizing hormone (LH). LH normally travels from the pituitary via the blood stream to the testes where it triggers the production and release of testosterone. Without LH, the testes shut down their production of testosterone, causing testicular atrophy ("shrinking testicles").

    In males, hCG mimics LH and helps restore / maintain testosterone production in the testes. As such, hCG is commonly used during and after steroid cycles to maintain and restore testicular size as well as endogenous testosterone production. However, if hCG is used for too long and in too high a dose, the resulting rise in natural testosterone will eventually inhibit its own production via negative feedback on the hypothalamus and pituitary.
    Dont you guys read any of these posts? That explains why they shrink but doesnt explain why they dont shrink in half or more of steroid users.

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