BLOOD REPORT(plz help)

[saviyo]

guys here is my blood report
serum testestron level-408 NG/DL
prolactin level 8.23ng/ml
LH level -4.25miU/ml

i feel like my normal testestron level is low

i have done 3 cycles before this ...since last 8 months i havent done any cycle..

WHAT SHOULD I DO TO TAKE MY TESTESTRON LEVEL ABOVE 500 ng/DL

i am nt single n nt doing sex regularly i.e whenever i get a girl i do sex 5-6 times in a single night...n if i dont get any girl then dont do it for month or ..
can this be the reason for my low testestron level????

PLZ PLZ help me for increasing my T level

[saviyo]

my testicles where slightly shricked after doing cycle..bt after using HCG they r back to the normal..nt full recoverd bt i feel they r normal...

[estray]

Its all in your head. 408ng/dl is well within the normal range.

[m314]

Originally Posted by saviyo

guys here is my blood report
serum testestron level-408 NG/DL
prolactin level 8.23ng/ml
LH level -4.25miU/ml

Did you get your estrogen levels tested? If estradiol is above 20 to 25 pg/mL, a low dose of an AI like arimidex or aromasin will give a significant boost to your total and free testosterone while bringing estrogen into the optimal range. Another option is low dose clomid. 25 mg/day clomid + 0.25 mg e3d arimidex could easily boost your total testosterone levels to the 700s or 800s.

[MethTest]

Def in your head mate, my test level just came back as 9.9 nmol/L which is a hell of a lot lower than your..... infact if I had your levels I would be one happy chappy!

[m314]

408 ng/dL is well within the normal range (241 - 827), but "high normal" feels a lot better than "low normal" in my experience.

[JayC]

As m314 suggest.. simply taking an AI like Aromasin with increase your natty test level.

..and if by saying "you feel like your test is low" do you mean libido is low?? or what???

[saviyo]

My libido is normal...as i told u i fucking girl 5-6 times in a single night...

[MethTest]

then there is def nothing wrong with you test level!

[Dread Pirate Roberts]

At 408 your still a good candidate for TRT. If you normally ran up around 800 then this would have you feeling like shit. How old are you?

[saviyo]

my age is 25

[Mr Incredible]

Originally Posted by MethTest

Def in your head mate, my test level just came back as 9.9 nmol/L which is a hell of a lot lower than your..... infact if I had your levels I would be one happy chappy!

No mate your is the UK measurement, his is the US, completely different. In the UK anything between 10-40 nmol/L is normal so your fine

[The Anabolic Doc]

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As for this presented case. Guys please remember T and E levels are a very important part of working up a patient who has used AS, but it is only the lab aspect!! In the real clinic, we take many aspects of a patient's history in consideration when considering what to do with drugs like T and HCG Clomid, Arimidex etc... Questiion like fertility, age!!!!! sex( seems like this chap can screw 5 times a night---so replacing his T for sex would be stupid--unless he is a porn star!! And I have one of those as a patient--ENVY for me) Any way, physical exam and blood pressue, ECG, prostate issues.... cholesterol, diabetes, renal function, liver function.... It is very important to have a in depth review by a good doctor when adminstering these very special hormones into your body!!You will not mess with mother nature and get away easy!! That I promise... The Anabolic Doc.....

[MethTest]

Originally Posted by Mr Incredible

No mate your is the UK measurement, his is the US, completely different. In the UK anything between 10-40 nmol/L is normal so your fine

I know, work out into US measurement and its a hell of a lot lower that 405 ng/l

[MethTest]

sorry 408 my bad

[Mr Incredible]

Originally Posted by MethTest

I know, work out into US measurement and its a hell of a lot lower that 405 ng/l

how dya work it out?

[MethTest]

my level in US (ng/l) is 282.8 ng/l this is worked out by dividing mt level.... 9.9 nmol/l by 0.035 which gives 282.8. just got my latest rtelsult back as 8 nmol/L whch is 228.5 ng/l which sucks ass!!! doc is now puting me on TRT. apparently been through andropause at the age of 21 sucks ass!! worried i was gay or somethin as the female sex had no interest to me whatr so ever"!!

[MethTest]

maybe the anobolic doc can back these figures up?

[The Anabolic Doc]

Hi guys, Test levels in the US are in ng/dl not ng/l but it is simple conversion. The 282.28 if it is actually ng/dl would be low. I call low <300 and with symptoms of hypogonadism. A a doctor, we treat patients, not lab papers!! You can be above 300 and also be low and require treatment. And as I said before PCT has never been shown to help anyone in clinical trials , as for long tern effect. You can use PCT for short term and for quality of life, eg geting testes back in size and sperm ct up. I do use real HCG for increasing a man's sperm ct for fertility. That is what is really used for. Clomid is weak vs HCG, but has to be given by shots .. And sometime many per week.. depends on mand and goals.. Also I do semen analysis and blood work as I am doing this..That is real medicine. Not some shot in the dark underground crap. Tha Anabolic Doc

[Mr Incredible]

Originally Posted by The Anabolic Doc

And as I said before PCT has never been shown to help anyone in clinical trials , as for long tern effect. You can use PCT for short term and for quality of life, eg geting testes back in size and sperm ct up

Why do you say it doesn't work if its been shown to increase test levels, doesn't that mean it does work?

[The Anabolic Doc]

Hey Mr Incredible you don't get it. Sorry to tell you. This is real medicine. PCT, first of all,does not work for all men. And do you really understand the physiologic mechanism -of- action?? there is a limit to the duration of the PCT cycle. Do you think you are going to live on every-other-day sub q shoots of HCG--- Bull shit. And when you come off, things may not be as they were when you started all this shit with the AS.... trust me, I have hundreds of patients to prove it... remember you want to be big and strong----- mother nature is watching....When you are in your 20's this all may work well---when you have done this, over, and over and now you are in your 30 and 40's +, your be lucky to not feel like shit... Be carefull .. and in the end... yeah,, Any doctor in the US or the UK will put you on stable doses of T, that's it!! and monitor it all. Yeah, it is that simple... All the other medicine involving the heart, kidney, liver, prostate and bone marrow products---- that is my rocket science.... The Anabolic Doc...

[The Anabolic Doc]

I just watched The wrestler!! Wow what a movie... do see it. Every one... The Anabolic Doc...

[Mr Incredible]

Originally Posted by The Anabolic Doc

Hey Mr Incredible you don't get it. Sorry to tell you. This is real medicine. PCT, first of all,does not work for all men. And do you really understand the physiologic mechanism -of- action?? there is a limit to the duration of the PCT cycle. Do you think you are going to live on every-other-day sub q shoots of HCG--- Bull shit. And when you come off, things may not be as they were when you started all this shit with the AS.... trust me, I have hundreds of patients to prove it... remember you want to be big and strong----- mother nature is watching....When you are in your 20's this all may work well---when you have done this, over, and over and now you are in your 30 and 40's +, your be lucky to not feel like shit... Be carefull .. and in the end... yeah,, Any doctor in the US or the UK will put you on stable doses of T, that's it!! and monitor it all. Yeah, it is that simple... All the other medicine involving the heart, kidney, liver, prostate and bone marrow products---- that is my rocket science.... The Anabolic Doc...

PARTIAL FAIL, if this were a PHD exam in endocrinology you just failed! sorry and taking HCG ecery other day wouldn't work anyway since your leydig cells would become desensitised.

With respect it sounds like you don't get it, you see in body building talk, HCG is not PCT.

PCT begins when the HCG stops and usually comprises a SERM of which Nolvadex is the most popular and has been shown to stimulate LH which in turn stimulates testosterone production. The only reason we use HCG is to kick start he Leydig cells so that they will be more responsive to LH when secretions increase from regular use of the SERM.

We all know that years of AS use may lead to perminent supression of natural test levels but its difficult to tell since people on the bodybuilding scene rarely stay off long enough to find out if their test will recover, also what is difficult to tell is wether or not that persons testosterone would have dropped if they hadn't touched AAS anyway since its also clear that someone in his 40's won't have the same test levels as he did in his 20's.

Generally its understood that nine months is about the time it will take things to recover to where abouts they will get.

It sounds like your opinion is that more often than not people test levels don't recover fully after many cycles, I've cycled many times over the last 17 years and came off November last year, ran HCG with aromasin then Nolvadex ever since, my test levels were very supressed but have been rising ever since to the point where they are just below normal now so I will keep going with the nolva.

I'd hoped you'd have some further advice on stimulating our own test but its seems that you recomend taking more of what caused the supression in the first place which doesn't help anything except your bank balance

I'll keep you informed of my progress

[The Anabolic Doc]

Hey Mr Incredible. Boy it sems like you really know your stuff, but what you obviously are not a physician and do not practice real clinical medicine, like I do...Because in the USA, We do use HCG every other day cycles and it works like a charm. T and sperm goes way up!!!!! I do it all the time for men who have used AS for years and want to be fertile. Try to read some literature form urology. And we do not to use it for more than 9 months. So after fertility is addressed, we only have Testosterone to use. I'm not sure what magic medicine you are thinking of, but it does not exist. And as for you, seems like your T level is low. Case in point, so please try going on regular doses of T and try to get in a better mood!!! Love you too.... The Anabolic Doc.... PS Boy, When you come to the US, you can can stay with me!!! I'd love to met you.

[Mr Incredible]

Originally Posted by The Anabolic Doc

Hey Mr Incredible. Boy it sems like you really know your stuff, but what you obviously are not a physician and do not practice real clinical medicine, like I do...Because in the USA, We do use HCG every other day cycles and it works like a charm. T and sperm goes way up!!!!! I do it all the time for men who have used AS for years and want to be fertile. Try to read some literature form urology. And we do not to use it for more than 9 months. So after fertility is addressed, we only have Testosterone to use. I'm not sure what magic medicine you are thinking of, but it does not exist. And as for you, seems like your T level is low. Case in point, so please try going on regular doses of T and try to get in a better mood!!! Love you too.... The Anabolic Doc.... PS Boy, When you come to the US, you can can stay with me!!! I'd love to met you.

LOL very good!

Ya my test level is low which was no suprise to me after 17 years of cycles, but its constantly increasing since I've been off so I might as well let it keep on going instead of disrupting it don't you think?

One point for you to consider, I may not know it all but what I do have is 17 years real life experience, which includes many scenarios that regular medicine hasn't seen because it would be unethical to study.

Most doctors don't have much of a clue about endocrinology although I have sat in the company and been lectured my people that are so far senoir to regular doctors in that area that they are called Mr not doctor, including the Head consultant endocrinologist at Leeds General Infirmary England so I have listened and read and put things into action.

I'd appreciate and answer to my question above but also your dosing of hcg for fertility interests me, what IU eod would you use for fertility and is it normal to run it for 9 months?

The last time I came off all AAS it took six months and then my sperm count and motility was normal and yes I am planning on trying for a family which is why I'm staying off. My plan was to leave everything again and clear my system of all so that when she concieves its completely natural, here again this is an ethical decision, I know plenty guys got there lady pregnant while on but I'd never forgive myself if there was some complication caused by my AAS use while concieving. You see here again, there are probably no recorded cases of issues while the guy was on gear but there again it would be unethical to run such a trial except retrospective so there will be no evidence.

Id love it if you shared any interesting Urology studies with us you speak of. Its interesting that in many pre PCT protocols the leading minds such as Anthony Roberts sugest ony 3-4 weeks max of HCG for fear of down regulation of leydig cells sensitivity to LH yet you would happily prescribe 9 months to your clients, perhaps this is why they're become dependent on test, no?

You seem like a nice enough guy now that we have conversed some but at first glance you seem like a guy that has merely got a qualification to facilitate making a living by fudging scripts enabling bodybuilders to obtain test legally albeit at a premium, essentially a legit dealer.

Nows your chance to set things right

This may sound contradictary but although I've used gear for quite a while on and off I've learned some lessons the hard way and hate to see people walk blindly into something.


PS If I'm over your way I might call in and we can talk about endo theory over steak and fries, it'll need to be a decent portion I weigh 245lb at 5'11''